49ers/Dolphins

NFLN is replaying this SB right now. For anyone who doesn't think/remember that Montana is the absolute best, needs to watch this game!

 

He was great but in that game it was more about Marino vs Montana.....The 49ers had a much complete team,the 49ers had over 200 rushing yards vs like only 25 for the dolphins....The 1984 49ers are one of the most underrated team ever....Their 1989 team were likely better come playoffs time and they were 14-2 in the regular season but their 1984 team have a case too!

This super bowl is also on youtube!

XIX Super Bowl San Francisco 49ers vs Miami Dolphins 1984 Season (youtube.com)

 

People that actually watched Marino knew He never wanted a complete team....He wanted to win his way, or not at all.

 

Yet the Marino fan boys will make every excuse for him not winning a Super Bowl. He never won a title at any level.

https://johnbaranowski.wordpress.com/2024/05/09/the-seven-myths-about-dan-marino/

 

What do you mean by that side

 

Excuse me????
I'm not understanding the question.

 

I'm wondering how his desire to run the team was manifested in how he played and interacted with management.

 

Something I would not know. What I do know is He wanted to throw all the time, and had trouble with more than one HC over it because of changing out of run plays quite often.
I've always wondered how some people who think that coaching matters so much.....never questioned why two HOF HC all of a sudden weren't great HCs while coaching Marino. Hard to coach a guy that won't stick to a game plan, and only wants to win his way.

 

The dolphins draft a RB in the first round 3 times in the Dan Marino era....all 3 was a bust.....

 

Myth number two: You need a good running game or star running back game to reach and win a Super Bowl.

The 1966 Green Bay Packers won the Super Bowl with team-leading rusher Jim Taylor averaging just 3.5 yards per carry and as a team the Packers averaged just 3.5 yards per carry.

The 1967 Green Bay Packers won the Super Bowl with Jim Grabowski as their leading rusher with 466 yards averaging 3.9 yards per carry.

The 1970 Baltimore Colts won the Super Bowl with Norm Bulaich as their leading rusher on the year with 426 yards averaging 3.1 yards per carry. As a team, the Colts averaged just 3.3 yards per carry.

The 1981 San Francisco 49ers won the Super Bowl with Ricky Patton as their leading rusher, gaining only 543 yards and Patton had a 3.6 yards per carry average. Their second leading rusher, Earl Cooper, rushed for just 330 yards and had a 3.4 yards per carry average. On the year, the 49ers averaged just 3.5 yards per rushing attempt.

The 1982 Washington Redskins won the Super Bowl with team-leading rusher John Riggins averaging just 3.1 yards per carry and just 3.6 yards per carry as a team.

The 2003 New England Patriots won the Super Bowl with Antowain Smith being their leading rusher with 642 yards with a 3.5 yards per carry average. The Patriots as a team averaged just 3.4 yards per attempt.

The 2011 New York Giants won the Super Bowl with Ahmad Bradshaw rushing for a team-leading 659 yards on the season with a 3.9 yards per carry average. The Giants on the year averaged just 3.5 yards per attempt.

The 2019 Kansas City Chiefs won the Super Bowl with Darrien Williams being their leading rusher with 498 yards rushing during the regular season.

There are also other examples of teams that averaged less than four yards per carry as a team that went on to win the Super Bowl.

As for Marino and Miami’s running backs, in 1983, Andra Franklin rushed for 746 yards and Tony Nathan had 685 yards and a 4.5 yards per carry average. In 1984, Woody Bennett rushed for 606 yards with a 4.2 yards per carry average and Tony Nathan rushed for 558 yards with a 4.7 yards per carry average.

In 1985, Nathan again had a 4.7 yards per carry average. In 1986, Lorenzo Hampton rushed for 830 yards and had a 4.5 yards per carry average. In 1987, Troy Stradford had a 4.3 yards per carry average.

In 1991 and 1992, Mark Higgs rushed for 905 and 915 yards respectively. In 1994, Bernie Parmalee rushed for 868 yards with a 4.0 yards per carry average.

In 1996, Karim Abdul-Jabbar rushed for 1,116 yards and the next two seasons he rushed for 892 and 960 yards.

Throughout Marino’s career, there were talented running backs behind him that had good rushing years and averaged more than four yards per carry, more than some teams that won a Super Bowl, but it’s worth asking how many times did Marino ever audible out of a pass to a running play? Marino loved to throw the football and Shula let him.

As for myth number two that you need a good running game or star running back game to reach and win a Super Bowl, it’s exactly that – a myth and untrue.

 

Maybe but in the 1990s,5 of the super bowl have been won by Emmitt Smith and Terrell Davis,which all had great number regular season and playoffs time they were even better...Also the dolphins defense could not stop the run to save their life come playoffs time in the Dan Marino era

And from 1988 until the end of his career,the dolphins running game were among the worst in the NFL almost every year in the Marino era in yards per run....Some were awful like 1997 and 1998.Funny you mention Abdul-Jabbar,he was awful especially in 1997 when he had 3.2 yards per run..3.6 yards per run in 1996 and 1998..It was not the Broncos running game at the end of the John Elway career....The running game were crucial in the 1990s

 

Marino played in the '80s as well. It wouldn't have mattered if Marino had Jim Brown in his backfield, he wouldn't audible to a running play ever and would certainly throw at least two interceptions in a big game.

 

Just stop....I can't blame Marino when the running game was ineffective for so long....Never had a pro bowl caliber running back, so you can't say that for sure..The Dolphins offense in the 1980s was still one of the best of the NFL for most of the time....The dolphins had missed the playoffs in 1986 despite 44 TD passes by Marino...44 TD was huge at that time, it remained the 2nd highest total ever behind his 1984 season until 2004 with Manning...The dolphins had also lost a game against the jets despite 45 points and 6 TD passes from Marino in 1986....



For the interceptions, well when your defense can't stop anyone in big games, especially against the run , you have to force things a little more to just stay in the game,so interception are more likely to come at that time

 

So what was his excuse at Pitt?


Myth number one: Marino never had a good defense at Miami.

Dan Marino was drafted by the Miami Dolphins in the 1983 NFL draft. In January of 1983, the Miami Dolphins lost to the Washington Redskins 27-17 in Super Bowl XVII. He was drafted by a team just in the Super Bowl!

Does any knowledgeable fan believe that a team reaches the Super Bowl without a good defense? It’s a preposterous notion. Do Marino supporters believe that David Woodley’s quarterbacking led the Dolphins to the Super Bowl or was it far more likely it was Miami’s Killer B’s on defense that led the Dolphins to the Super Bowl? That Dolphin defense gave up the second fewest points in the National Football League in 1982, only three points more than the league-leading Washington Redskins.

Five times in his career Marino had a top 10 defense in points allowed (1983, 1984, 1990, 1995 and 1998). Three times he had a top five defense (1983, 1990 and 1998), and twice, he had a defense that led the league in fewest points (1983 and 1998).

That destroys the myth that Dan Marino never had a good enough defense to win a Super Bowl.

By the way, Peyton Manning led the Indianapolis Colts to a Super Bowl victory in Super Bowl XLI despite the Colts defense being 23rd in the NFL in giving up points.


Myth number seven: Marino never had a great team around him. He was drafted by a team that was just in the Super Bowl. Teams that make the Super Bowl cannot be anything but good. He played for two Hall of Fame head coaches. His offensive line set pass protection records. He twice had the best scoring defense in the NFL and five times he had a top-10 defense.

Well then what was the excuse at Pitt then when he had one of the greatest teams in college football history? No one ever answers that question.

In 1979, Pitt gave up only 8.8 points per game which was fifth best in the country. In 1980, the Panthers gave up only 10.1 points per game which was seventh best in the country. In 1981, Pitt’s defense gave up the 12th fewest points in the country, and in 1982, Pitt’s defense gave up the fifth fewest points in the country. What was the excuse then for Marino not winning a ring?

Until his retiring day, Bobby Bowden said the 1980 Pitt team was the best he ever faced as a head coach and the best college football team he had ever seen.

That year, the Panthers’ roster included four future NFL Hall of Famers, 30 draft picks, seven first-round picks, the Outland Trophy winner, the Maxwell Award winner, the Lombardi Award winner, and the Heisman Trophy runner-up.

That Pitt team had 23 future NFL starters on it. All five of Pitt’s defensive line and the entire offensive line started in the NFL and what a great offensive line protecting Marino giving him time to eat Primanti sandwiches in the pocket: Jimbo Covert, Mark May, Russ Grimm, Rob Fada and Ron Sams. Three defensive backs started in the NFL as well as two of Pitt’s wide receivers, the fullback, the kicker and five other players that didn’t even start at Pitt.

Therefore, it wasn’t Marino didn’t have a defense or a great team around him, he had everything, and in the 1980 game against Florida State, Marino would throw three interceptions as Pitt lost 36-22.

https://floridastate.rivals.com/new...er-no-3-pitt-one-of-biggest-in-school-history

Also in 1980, Marino threw FIVE interceptions in a game against Boston College and he would also throw FOUR interceptions against Army.

In 1981, with Pitt undefeated and ranked #1 in the country, the Panthers hosted #11 Penn State. Win at home and Pitt would be playing in a bowl game for the national championship. In what would be and still is the largest margin of defeat for a number-one ranked team ever, Pitt would lose 48-14 as Marino threw four interceptions.

That was not the first time Marino threw four interceptions in a game in 1981, but the third time that season! The other two being against Syracuse and Temple, hardly football powers as they paled in talent compared to Pitt. Marino would throw 21 interceptions in 1981.

In his senior year of 1982, in 11 games he would throw 22 interceptions to only 17 touchdown passes. That is an average of two interceptions a game. Marino threw three interceptions against Temple, Syracuse and Army, and four against North Carolina and Illinois.

Marino threw 74 touchdown passes in college at Pitt and 64 interceptions. That’s not a typo. 64 interceptions despite missing time with various injuries. 11 times Marino threw for three or more interceptions in his college career and SEVEN times he would throw FOUR or more interceptions in a game!

Marino’s teammate Bill Fralic was known for his pancake blocks and had a publicity photo made of him making pancakes. Perhaps Marino should have had one with a baker’s cap on since he created so many turnovers.

It’s a repeated fact that Marino did not play well in big games. Stats don’t lie. Marino never won a title at any level, even in high school where quarterbacks dominate play. His Central Catholic team lost to Penn Hills in the Western Pennsylvania Interscholastic Athletic Conference (WPIAL) championship game in 1978. In the WPIAL final, Marino completed only six of 18 passes and was intercepted THREE times.

As you can see the statement that Marino never had a good defense or a great team around him is also untrue and a myth. In the biggest of games, it was almost a given that Marino would throw two or more interceptions.

 

You are arguing with a guy who never watched Marino play a game. If He didn't see Woodson play, and He's a Steeler fan.....He definitely didn't watch Marino play.....outside of some highlights, a few replays, stats, and what others tell him....he doesn't know. Ah the young.....I argue a lot, but You never hear me arguing about the Guys I didn't actually watch their careers....because I know a few replay games, highlights, and stats don't tell the story .