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Cut Ben some slack on the film study

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Steel Acorn, Jan 13, 2013.

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Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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SteelerFanInKC said: ↑

SteelerGlenn said: ↑

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First of all, we don't know that Ben leaves 5 minutes after practice, I'm not going to put a lot of stock into what AB's dad said or what a message board member says he said. His dad pretty much abandoned him as a kid and his mom put him on the street when he was 16, hardly great character people. But even if Ben was leaving early, I'm sure if one of his receivers felt they needed work on their timing that Ben would stay. And Ben isn't remotely responsible for Wallace losing focus and running bad routes, that's just absolving Wallace for his short comings. Ben doesn't wait for plays to break down, the plays break because his line more often then not can't even give him 2 seconds. It's not like Ben is sitting comfortably in the pocket, waiting waiting waiting and waiting for the play to breakdown, it breaks down seconds after he takes the snap.
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True we don't know,what we do know is what Ben tells us such as Film study to the degree Manning and Brady do isn't for him, he admits that film study is important but not to the extreme which I'm ok with just as long as you can see improvement. Which is whatyou have said before, in this thread I think, that he showed improvement in the short passing game and overall improvement before the injury. We know that prior to this season they did spend time each practice session practicing for when a play breaks down which is where Ben does some of his best work extending the play and creating on the fly. I am not saying that this absolves any body for playing poorly but I am saying that it might be a trickle down effect when it comes to focusing on fundamentals. Kinda of an attitude if Ben doesn't sweat it, we won't either. This translate to poor development and on field play. You don't need to run a crisp route because if Ben can't find you then you go to plan B which is get open and Ben will work the magic and that seems to be more of a focus than the fundamentals or at least that is my take on it. As far as the getting extra reps after practice again we don't know although you'd think one of the outlets the Trib or the Post gazette would mention if guys stayed after practice to get some work in, at least they used to. Which makes me curious remember when we used to hear stories about Ben calling the rookie in the draft as soon as possible or giving them his number right away ans saying don't be afraid to call me about anything because that is what Ward and Bettis did for him. What ever happened to those stories?
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Who cares if Ben studies as much film as Manning ir Brady? Doesn't mean that he doesn't study enough or more than other Quartebacks. Maybe Ben can bench press more than Brady and that's why he is able to get away from defenders better than Brady. Should Brady be heckled by the fans because of it? If you have 10 million dollars and I have 9 million does that mean I'm not rich? Does that mean I need to get a second job?
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I care because a $100 million dollar QB that is always hurt spending just a little more time studying film would more than likely lead to a few LESS game changing INT's (see last year) and perhaps, just perhaps another SB appearance or two with anothe SB win or two! Even though Manning and Brady are at home watching the SB like Ben is, at least they do more with less! Period!
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Then why did I watch Peyton and Brady make the very same mistakes during the playoffs that Ben makes? A little more film study isn't going to keep Ben from making mistakes or getting hurt. Period!

Blast Furnace, Jan 24, 2013

Blast Furnace, Jan 24, 2013

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SteelerGlenn TSF Supporter

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SteelerFanInKC said: ↑

SteelerGlenn said: ↑

thorn058 said: ↑

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

First of all, we don't know that Ben leaves 5 minutes after practice, I'm not going to put a lot of stock into what AB's dad said or what a message board member says he said. His dad pretty much abandoned him as a kid and his mom put him on the street when he was 16, hardly great character people. But even if Ben was leaving early, I'm sure if one of his receivers felt they needed work on their timing that Ben would stay. And Ben isn't remotely responsible for Wallace losing focus and running bad routes, that's just absolving Wallace for his short comings. Ben doesn't wait for plays to break down, the plays break because his line more often then not can't even give him 2 seconds. It's not like Ben is sitting comfortably in the pocket, waiting waiting waiting and waiting for the play to breakdown, it breaks down seconds after he takes the snap.
Click to expand...

True we don't know,what we do know is what Ben tells us such as Film study to the degree Manning and Brady do isn't for him, he admits that film study is important but not to the extreme which I'm ok with just as long as you can see improvement. Which is whatyou have said before, in this thread I think, that he showed improvement in the short passing game and overall improvement before the injury. We know that prior to this season they did spend time each practice session practicing for when a play breaks down which is where Ben does some of his best work extending the play and creating on the fly. I am not saying that this absolves any body for playing poorly but I am saying that it might be a trickle down effect when it comes to focusing on fundamentals. Kinda of an attitude if Ben doesn't sweat it, we won't either. This translate to poor development and on field play. You don't need to run a crisp route because if Ben can't find you then you go to plan B which is get open and Ben will work the magic and that seems to be more of a focus than the fundamentals or at least that is my take on it. As far as the getting extra reps after practice again we don't know although you'd think one of the outlets the Trib or the Post gazette would mention if guys stayed after practice to get some work in, at least they used to. Which makes me curious remember when we used to hear stories about Ben calling the rookie in the draft as soon as possible or giving them his number right away ans saying don't be afraid to call me about anything because that is what Ward and Bettis did for him. What ever happened to those stories?
Click to expand...

Who cares if Ben studies as much film as Manning ir Brady? Doesn't mean that he doesn't study enough or more than other Quartebacks. Maybe Ben can bench press more than Brady and that's why he is able to get away from defenders better than Brady. Should Brady be heckled by the fans because of it? If you have 10 million dollars and I have 9 million does that mean I'm not rich? Does that mean I need to get a second job?
Click to expand...

I care because a $100 million dollar QB that is always hurt spending just a little more time studying film would more than likely lead to a few LESS game changing INT's (see last year) and perhaps, just perhaps another SB appearance or two with anothe SB win or two! Even though Manning and Brady are at home watching the SB like Ben is, at least they do more with less! Period!
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Help me out here, so if Ben studies more film than Brady and Manning, do their fans start hounding them about not watching enough film? Who says he's not already watching more than what's expected? And when did the other two set the rules on how much film to watch? This is so silly!

SteelerGlenn, Jan 24, 2013

SteelerGlenn, Jan 24, 2013

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blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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I heard on NFL Network or somewhere that Russell Wilson is apparently the new obsessive film watcher in the league. They said that as soon as the seahawks got back to Seattle that he was reportedly already studying film for next season. Also I believe it was on one of the pregame shows before their game against Atlanta that they were talking about how he is a good leader and that by the time the team was meeting for the first time to discuss a gameplan on a certain team they were about to play that he already had cheatsheets waiting on every person's chair. Who knows if this will make him an elite qb or not but I gotta say I admire the kid's work ethic if all that is true. And at the very least he is inspiring his teammates and that's never a bad thing.

blountforcetrauma, Jan 24, 2013

blountforcetrauma, Jan 24, 2013

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blountforcetrauma said: ↑

I heard on NFL Network or somewhere that Russell Wilson is apparently the new obsessive film watcher in the league. They said that as soon as the seahawks got back to Seattle that he was reportedly already studying film for next season. Also I believe it was on one of the pregame shows before their game against Atlanta that they were talking about how he is a good leader and that by the time the team was meeting for the first time to discuss a gameplan on a certain team they were about to play that he already had cheatsheets waiting on every person's chair. Who knows if this will make him an elite qb or not but I gotta say I admire the kid's work ethic if all that is true. And at the very least he is inspiring his teammates and that's never a bad thing.
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See what I mean? Now Ben, Brady and Manning aren't earning their checks and doing all they can to help their teams win. If only they could work as hard as Wilson!

SteelerGlenn, Jan 24, 2013

SteelerGlenn, Jan 24, 2013

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blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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SteelerGlenn said: ↑

blountforcetrauma said: ↑

I heard on NFL Network or somewhere that Russell Wilson is apparently the new obsessive film watcher in the league. They said that as soon as the seahawks got back to Seattle that he was reportedly already studying film for next season. Also I believe it was on one of the pregame shows before their game against Atlanta that they were talking about how he is a good leader and that by the time the team was meeting for the first time to discuss a gameplan on a certain team they were about to play that he already had cheatsheets waiting on every person's chair. Who knows if this will make him an elite qb or not but I gotta say I admire the kid's work ethic if all that is true. And at the very least he is inspiring his teammates and that's never a bad thing.
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See what I mean? Now Ben, Brady and Manning aren't earning their checks and doing all they can to help their teams win. If only they could work as hard as Wilson!
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Yep. That was EXACTLY what I meant. But just a question for our resident Troll-in-Chief. Who went deeper in the playoffs this year? The guys with a reputation for film study or not? I wasn't saying that film study makes you automatically win games. I was saying that some qbs must put a lot of stock in to it and think it is what they need to make their teams successful. Ben has said himself publicly that he has never really been a big film guy. I've never heard him say that he doesn't study it period. He said when he was suspended that he would take it as an opportunity to become a more cerebral qb. That was what he said to a sports journalist who asked him what he planned to do during his suspension. I'm sure you probably didn't know that though since you were probably off telling someone you were glad their family member died because they insulted you on facebook or something. Just please don't respond to anything I say from this point on. I have tolerated you for as long as I can and I can't do it anymore. You are THE most annoying person on this board. All you do is try to insult people and play like you're some kind of little mall cop policing people's posts. This is a forum for Steelers fans and you are obviously more Ravens caliber.

blountforcetrauma, Jan 25, 2013

blountforcetrauma, Jan 25, 2013

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Tomlin_Era said: ↑

SteelerFanInKC said: ↑

SteelerGlenn said: ↑

thorn058 said: ↑

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

First of all, we don't know that Ben leaves 5 minutes after practice, I'm not going to put a lot of stock into what AB's dad said or what a message board member says he said. His dad pretty much abandoned him as a kid and his mom put him on the street when he was 16, hardly great character people. But even if Ben was leaving early, I'm sure if one of his receivers felt they needed work on their timing that Ben would stay. And Ben isn't remotely responsible for Wallace losing focus and running bad routes, that's just absolving Wallace for his short comings. Ben doesn't wait for plays to break down, the plays break because his line more often then not can't even give him 2 seconds. It's not like Ben is sitting comfortably in the pocket, waiting waiting waiting and waiting for the play to breakdown, it breaks down seconds after he takes the snap.
Click to expand...

True we don't know,what we do know is what Ben tells us such as Film study to the degree Manning and Brady do isn't for him, he admits that film study is important but not to the extreme which I'm ok with just as long as you can see improvement. Which is whatyou have said before, in this thread I think, that he showed improvement in the short passing game and overall improvement before the injury. We know that prior to this season they did spend time each practice session practicing for when a play breaks down which is where Ben does some of his best work extending the play and creating on the fly. I am not saying that this absolves any body for playing poorly but I am saying that it might be a trickle down effect when it comes to focusing on fundamentals. Kinda of an attitude if Ben doesn't sweat it, we won't either. This translate to poor development and on field play. You don't need to run a crisp route because if Ben can't find you then you go to plan B which is get open and Ben will work the magic and that seems to be more of a focus than the fundamentals or at least that is my take on it. As far as the getting extra reps after practice again we don't know although you'd think one of the outlets the Trib or the Post gazette would mention if guys stayed after practice to get some work in, at least they used to. Which makes me curious remember when we used to hear stories about Ben calling the rookie in the draft as soon as possible or giving them his number right away ans saying don't be afraid to call me about anything because that is what Ward and Bettis did for him. What ever happened to those stories?
Click to expand...

Who cares if Ben studies as much film as Manning ir Brady? Doesn't mean that he doesn't study enough or more than other Quartebacks. Maybe Ben can bench press more than Brady and that's why he is able to get away from defenders better than Brady. Should Brady be heckled by the fans because of it? If you have 10 million dollars and I have 9 million does that mean I'm not rich? Does that mean I need to get a second job?
Click to expand...

I care because a $100 million dollar QB that is always hurt spending just a little more time studying film would more than likely lead to a few LESS game changing INT's (see last year) and perhaps, just perhaps another SB appearance or two with anothe SB win or two! Even though Manning and Brady are at home watching the SB like Ben is, at least they do more with less! Period!
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Then why did I watch Peyton and Brady make the very same mistakes during the playoffs that Ben makes? A little more film study isn't going to keep Ben from making mistakes or getting hurt. Period!
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Of the three QB's above, which one wasn't in the playoffs? Yeah, that's what I thought. There is no doubt that Manning and Brady underperformed in their playoff games, but they is also no doubt, that those two guys do more with less every single year. Ben has a great core of recievers and a Pro Bowl TE and he continues to make some of the most bone-headed throws anyone would see. The int at the end for a pick 6 against Denver and the int he threw against Dallas in OT, both interceptors said in post-game comments that they knew exactly what Ben was going to do with the ball! Maybe just a little bit of more film study should tell Ben he can't throw where the corners are expecting him to throw!

SteelerFanInKC, Jan 25, 2013

SteelerFanInKC, Jan 25, 2013

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SteelerGlenn TSF Supporter

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blountforcetrauma said: ↑

SteelerGlenn said: ↑

blountforcetrauma said: ↑

I heard on NFL Network or somewhere that Russell Wilson is apparently the new obsessive film watcher in the league. They said that as soon as the seahawks got back to Seattle that he was reportedly already studying film for next season. Also I believe it was on one of the pregame shows before their game against Atlanta that they were talking about how he is a good leader and that by the time the team was meeting for the first time to discuss a gameplan on a certain team they were about to play that he already had cheatsheets waiting on every person's chair. Who knows if this will make him an elite qb or not but I gotta say I admire the kid's work ethic if all that is true. And at the very least he is inspiring his teammates and that's never a bad thing.
Click to expand...

See what I mean? Now Ben, Brady and Manning aren't earning their checks and doing all they can to help their teams win. If only they could work as hard as Wilson!
Click to expand...

Yep. That was EXACTLY what I meant. But just a question for our resident Troll-in-Chief. Who went deeper in the playoffs this year? The guys with a reputation for film study or not? I wasn't saying that film study makes you automatically win games. I was saying that some qbs must put a lot of stock in to it and think it is what they need to make their teams successful. Ben has said himself publicly that he has never really been a big film guy. I've never heard him say that he doesn't study it period. He said when he was suspended that he would take it as an opportunity to become a more cerebral qb. That was what he said to a sports journalist who asked him what he planned to do during his suspension. I'm sure you probably didn't know that though since you were probably off telling someone you were glad their family member died because they insulted you on facebook or something. Just please don't respond to anything I say from this point on. I have tolerated you for as long as I can and I can't do it anymore. You are THE most annoying person on this board. All you do is try to insult people and play like you're some kind of little mall cop policing people's posts. This is a forum for Steelers fans and you are obviously more Ravens caliber.
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Wow! You know I'm pretty sure there's an ignore feature on this message board. If you don't want to read my posts just use it. I'll continue to debate topics on this forum that I disagree with. Don't really mind weather it bothers you are not.

SteelerGlenn, Jan 25, 2013

SteelerGlenn, Jan 25, 2013

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SteelerFanInKC said: ↑

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

SteelerFanInKC said: ↑

SteelerGlenn said: ↑

thorn058 said: ↑

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

First of all, we don't know that Ben leaves 5 minutes after practice, I'm not going to put a lot of stock into what AB's dad said or what a message board member says he said. His dad pretty much abandoned him as a kid and his mom put him on the street when he was 16, hardly great character people. But even if Ben was leaving early, I'm sure if one of his receivers felt they needed work on their timing that Ben would stay. And Ben isn't remotely responsible for Wallace losing focus and running bad routes, that's just absolving Wallace for his short comings. Ben doesn't wait for plays to break down, the plays break because his line more often then not can't even give him 2 seconds. It's not like Ben is sitting comfortably in the pocket, waiting waiting waiting and waiting for the play to breakdown, it breaks down seconds after he takes the snap.
Click to expand...

True we don't know,what we do know is what Ben tells us such as Film study to the degree Manning and Brady do isn't for him, he admits that film study is important but not to the extreme which I'm ok with just as long as you can see improvement. Which is whatyou have said before, in this thread I think, that he showed improvement in the short passing game and overall improvement before the injury. We know that prior to this season they did spend time each practice session practicing for when a play breaks down which is where Ben does some of his best work extending the play and creating on the fly. I am not saying that this absolves any body for playing poorly but I am saying that it might be a trickle down effect when it comes to focusing on fundamentals. Kinda of an attitude if Ben doesn't sweat it, we won't either. This translate to poor development and on field play. You don't need to run a crisp route because if Ben can't find you then you go to plan B which is get open and Ben will work the magic and that seems to be more of a focus than the fundamentals or at least that is my take on it. As far as the getting extra reps after practice again we don't know although you'd think one of the outlets the Trib or the Post gazette would mention if guys stayed after practice to get some work in, at least they used to. Which makes me curious remember when we used to hear stories about Ben calling the rookie in the draft as soon as possible or giving them his number right away ans saying don't be afraid to call me about anything because that is what Ward and Bettis did for him. What ever happened to those stories?
Click to expand...

Who cares if Ben studies as much film as Manning ir Brady? Doesn't mean that he doesn't study enough or more than other Quartebacks. Maybe Ben can bench press more than Brady and that's why he is able to get away from defenders better than Brady. Should Brady be heckled by the fans because of it? If you have 10 million dollars and I have 9 million does that mean I'm not rich? Does that mean I need to get a second job?
Click to expand...

I care because a $100 million dollar QB that is always hurt spending just a little more time studying film would more than likely lead to a few LESS game changing INT's (see last year) and perhaps, just perhaps another SB appearance or two with anothe SB win or two! Even though Manning and Brady are at home watching the SB like Ben is, at least they do more with less! Period!
Click to expand...

Then why did I watch Peyton and Brady make the very same mistakes during the playoffs that Ben makes? A little more film study isn't going to keep Ben from making mistakes or getting hurt. Period!
Click to expand...

Of the three QB's above, which one wasn't in the playoffs? Yeah, that's what I thought. There is no doubt that Manning and Brady underperformed in their playoff games, but they is also no doubt, that those two guys do more with less every single year. Ben has a great core of recievers and a Pro Bowl TE and he continues to make some of the most bone-headed throws anyone would see. The int at the end for a pick 6 against Denver and the int he threw against Dallas in OT, both interceptors said in post-game comments that they knew exactly what Ben was going to do with the ball! Maybe just a little bit of more film study should tell Ben he can't throw where the corners are expecting him to throw!
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Did they go on to win the SB? DId they even get to the SB? Isn't that the goal? Yeah, that's what I thought. The fact remains, that the very thing that Ben gets beat up about, Peyton and Brady do the same thing. You guys are high if you think QB's won't make poor decisions or poor throws just because they submerge themselves in film. And the last I checked, Ben has more SB's then Peyton. Also, Peyton had Marvin Harrison, only one of the best receivers in the league and Brady had a ton of weapons through out the years, Welker, Gronk, Moss to name a few, so lets not make it sound like they played with scrubs. And our receiving corpse as it turns out, ain't so hot.

Blast Furnace, Jan 25, 2013

Blast Furnace, Jan 25, 2013

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darcrav Well-Known Member

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WHO THE HELL WOULD EVER STUDY ????

WE ALL KNOW JUST CRAM THE NIGHT BEFORE AND

ASSAULT COEDS

darcrav, Jan 25, 2013

darcrav, Jan 25, 2013

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lersgofor7 Well-Known Member

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Tomlin_Era said: ↑

SteelerFanInKC said: ↑

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

SteelerFanInKC said: ↑

SteelerGlenn said: ↑

thorn058 said: ↑

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

First of all, we don't know that Ben leaves 5 minutes after practice, I'm not going to put a lot of stock into what AB's dad said or what a message board member says he said. His dad pretty much abandoned him as a kid and his mom put him on the street when he was 16, hardly great character people. But even if Ben was leaving early, I'm sure if one of his receivers felt they needed work on their timing that Ben would stay. And Ben isn't remotely responsible for Wallace losing focus and running bad routes, that's just absolving Wallace for his short comings. Ben doesn't wait for plays to break down, the plays break because his line more often then not can't even give him 2 seconds. It's not like Ben is sitting comfortably in the pocket, waiting waiting waiting and waiting for the play to breakdown, it breaks down seconds after he takes the snap.
Click to expand...

True we don't know,what we do know is what Ben tells us such as Film study to the degree Manning and Brady do isn't for him, he admits that film study is important but not to the extreme which I'm ok with just as long as you can see improvement. Which is whatyou have said before, in this thread I think, that he showed improvement in the short passing game and overall improvement before the injury. We know that prior to this season they did spend time each practice session practicing for when a play breaks down which is where Ben does some of his best work extending the play and creating on the fly. I am not saying that this absolves any body for playing poorly but I am saying that it might be a trickle down effect when it comes to focusing on fundamentals. Kinda of an attitude if Ben doesn't sweat it, we won't either. This translate to poor development and on field play. You don't need to run a crisp route because if Ben can't find you then you go to plan B which is get open and Ben will work the magic and that seems to be more of a focus than the fundamentals or at least that is my take on it. As far as the getting extra reps after practice again we don't know although you'd think one of the outlets the Trib or the Post gazette would mention if guys stayed after practice to get some work in, at least they used to. Which makes me curious remember when we used to hear stories about Ben calling the rookie in the draft as soon as possible or giving them his number right away ans saying don't be afraid to call me about anything because that is what Ward and Bettis did for him. What ever happened to those stories?
Click to expand...

Who cares if Ben studies as much film as Manning ir Brady? Doesn't mean that he doesn't study enough or more than other Quartebacks. Maybe Ben can bench press more than Brady and that's why he is able to get away from defenders better than Brady. Should Brady be heckled by the fans because of it? If you have 10 million dollars and I have 9 million does that mean I'm not rich? Does that mean I need to get a second job?
Click to expand...

I care because a $100 million dollar QB that is always hurt spending just a little more time studying film would more than likely lead to a few LESS game changing INT's (see last year) and perhaps, just perhaps another SB appearance or two with anothe SB win or two! Even though Manning and Brady are at home watching the SB like Ben is, at least they do more with less! Period!
Click to expand...

Then why did I watch Peyton and Brady make the very same mistakes during the playoffs that Ben makes? A little more film study isn't going to keep Ben from making mistakes or getting hurt. Period!
Click to expand...

Of the three QB's above, which one wasn't in the playoffs? Yeah, that's what I thought. There is no doubt that Manning and Brady underperformed in their playoff games, but they is also no doubt, that those two guys do more with less every single year. Ben has a great core of recievers and a Pro Bowl TE and he continues to make some of the most bone-headed throws anyone would see. The int at the end for a pick 6 against Denver and the int he threw against Dallas in OT, both interceptors said in post-game comments that they knew exactly what Ben was going to do with the ball! Maybe just a little bit of more film study should tell Ben he can't throw where the corners are expecting him to throw!
Click to expand...

Did they go on to win the SB? DId they even get to the SB? Isn't that the goal? Yeah, that's what I thought. The fact remains, that the very thing that Ben gets beat up about, Peyton and Brady do the same thing. You guys are high if you think QB's won't make poor decisions or poor throws just because they submerge themselves in film. And the last I checked, Ben has more SB's then Peyton. Also, Peyton had Marvin Harrison, only one of the best receivers in the league and Brady had a ton of weapons through out the years, Welker, Gronk, Moss to name a few, so lets not make it sound like they played with scrubs. And our receiving corpse as it turns out, ain't so hot.
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Funny when Brady wasnt the centerpiece of the team they won 3 of 4 SBs.... when he is the centerpiece...they cant win one...

peyton is a stat hog but continuously underperforms on the big stage....

not taking anything away from those 2 but truth be told none of us know how much or little any of these guys watch film... and to act like you do or say hey i never see him on the sidelines looking at pictures is idiotic ...

lersgofor7, Jan 25, 2013

lersgofor7, Jan 25, 2013

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darcrav Well-Known Member

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lersgofor7 said: ↑

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

SteelerFanInKC said: ↑

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

SteelerFanInKC said: ↑

SteelerGlenn said: ↑

thorn058 said: ↑

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

First of all, we don't know that Ben leaves 5 minutes after practice, I'm not going to put a lot of stock into what AB's dad said or what a message board member says he said. His dad pretty much abandoned him as a kid and his mom put him on the street when he was 16, hardly great character people. But even if Ben was leaving early, I'm sure if one of his receivers felt they needed work on their timing that Ben would stay. And Ben isn't remotely responsible for Wallace losing focus and running bad routes, that's just absolving Wallace for his short comings. Ben doesn't wait for plays to break down, the plays break because his line more often then not can't even give him 2 seconds. It's not like Ben is sitting comfortably in the pocket, waiting waiting waiting and waiting for the play to breakdown, it breaks down seconds after he takes the snap.
Click to expand...

True we don't know,what we do know is what Ben tells us such as Film study to the degree Manning and Brady do isn't for him, he admits that film study is important but not to the extreme which I'm ok with just as long as you can see improvement. Which is whatyou have said before, in this thread I think, that he showed improvement in the short passing game and overall improvement before the injury. We know that prior to this season they did spend time each practice session practicing for when a play breaks down which is where Ben does some of his best work extending the play and creating on the fly. I am not saying that this absolves any body for playing poorly but I am saying that it might be a trickle down effect when it comes to focusing on fundamentals. Kinda of an attitude if Ben doesn't sweat it, we won't either. This translate to poor development and on field play. You don't need to run a crisp route because if Ben can't find you then you go to plan B which is get open and Ben will work the magic and that seems to be more of a focus than the fundamentals or at least that is my take on it. As far as the getting extra reps after practice again we don't know although you'd think one of the outlets the Trib or the Post gazette would mention if guys stayed after practice to get some work in, at least they used to. Which makes me curious remember when we used to hear stories about Ben calling the rookie in the draft as soon as possible or giving them his number right away ans saying don't be afraid to call me about anything because that is what Ward and Bettis did for him. What ever happened to those stories?
Click to expand...

Who cares if Ben studies as much film as Manning ir Brady? Doesn't mean that he doesn't study enough or more than other Quartebacks. Maybe Ben can bench press more than Brady and that's why he is able to get away from defenders better than Brady. Should Brady be heckled by the fans because of it? If you have 10 million dollars and I have 9 million does that mean I'm not rich? Does that mean I need to get a second job?
Click to expand...

I care because a $100 million dollar QB that is always hurt spending just a little more time studying film would more than likely lead to a few LESS game changing INT's (see last year) and perhaps, just perhaps another SB appearance or two with anothe SB win or two! Even though Manning and Brady are at home watching the SB like Ben is, at least they do more with less! Period!
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Then why did I watch Peyton and Brady make the very same mistakes during the playoffs that Ben makes? A little more film study isn't going to keep Ben from making mistakes or getting hurt. Period!
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Of the three QB's above, which one wasn't in the playoffs? Yeah, that's what I thought. There is no doubt that Manning and Brady underperformed in their playoff games, but they is also no doubt, that those two guys do more with less every single year. Ben has a great core of recievers and a Pro Bowl TE and he continues to make some of the most bone-headed throws anyone would see. The int at the end for a pick 6 against Denver and the int he threw against Dallas in OT, both interceptors said in post-game comments that they knew exactly what Ben was going to do with the ball! Maybe just a little bit of more film study should tell Ben he can't throw where the corners are expecting him to throw!
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Did they go on to win the SB? DId they even get to the SB? Isn't that the goal? Yeah, that's what I thought. The fact remains, that the very thing that Ben gets beat up about, Peyton and Brady do the same thing. You guys are high if you think QB's won't make poor decisions or poor throws just because they submerge themselves in film. And the last I checked, Ben has more SB's then Peyton. Also, Peyton had Marvin Harrison, only one of the best receivers in the league and Brady had a ton of weapons through out the years, Welker, Gronk, Moss to name a few, so lets not make it sound like they played with scrubs. And our receiving corpse as it turns out, ain't so hot.
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Funny when Brady wasnt the centerpiece of the team they won 3 of 4 SBs.... when he is the centerpiece...they cant win one...

peyton is a stat hog but continuously underperforms on the big stage....

not taking anything away from those 2 but truth be told none of us know how much or little any of these guys watch film... and to act like you do or say hey i never see him on the sidelines looking at pictures is idiotic ...
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like
YOUR MOM HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

really??
come on kiddo
TIMEOUT

darcrav, Jan 25, 2013

darcrav, Jan 25, 2013

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darcrav said: ↑

like
YOUR MOM HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

really??
come on kiddo
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TerribleTowelFlying, Jan 25, 2013

TerribleTowelFlying, Jan 25, 2013

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TerribleTowelFlying said: ↑

darcrav said: ↑

like
YOUR MOM HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

really??
come on kiddo
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his location

of course i saw earlier today it said YOU MOM

IT IS WHAT IT IS PRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

darcrav, Jan 25, 2013

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HA! Went right over my head.

TerribleTowelFlying, Jan 25, 2013

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First of all, we don't know that Ben leaves 5 minutes after practice, I'm not going to put a lot of stock into what AB's dad said or what a message board member says he said. His dad pretty much abandoned him as a kid and his mom put him on the street when he was 16, hardly great character people. But even if Ben was leaving early, I'm sure if one of his receivers felt they needed work on their timing that Ben would stay. And Ben isn't remotely responsible for Wallace losing focus and running bad routes, that's just absolving Wallace for his short comings. Ben doesn't wait for plays to break down, the plays break because his line more often then not can't even give him 2 seconds. It's not like Ben is sitting comfortably in the pocket, waiting waiting waiting and waiting for the play to breakdown, it breaks down seconds after he takes the snap.
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True we don't know,what we do know is what Ben tells us such as Film study to the degree Manning and Brady do isn't for him, he admits that film study is important but not to the extreme which I'm ok with just as long as you can see improvement. Which is whatyou have said before, in this thread I think, that he showed improvement in the short passing game and overall improvement before the injury. We know that prior to this season they did spend time each practice session practicing for when a play breaks down which is where Ben does some of his best work extending the play and creating on the fly. I am not saying that this absolves any body for playing poorly but I am saying that it might be a trickle down effect when it comes to focusing on fundamentals. Kinda of an attitude if Ben doesn't sweat it, we won't either. This translate to poor development and on field play. You don't need to run a crisp route because if Ben can't find you then you go to plan B which is get open and Ben will work the magic and that seems to be more of a focus than the fundamentals or at least that is my take on it. As far as the getting extra reps after practice again we don't know although you'd think one of the outlets the Trib or the Post gazette would mention if guys stayed after practice to get some work in, at least they used to. Which makes me curious remember when we used to hear stories about Ben calling the rookie in the draft as soon as possible or giving them his number right away ans saying don't be afraid to call me about anything because that is what Ward and Bettis did for him. What ever happened to those stories?
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Who cares if Ben studies as much film as Manning ir Brady? Doesn't mean that he doesn't study enough or more than other Quartebacks. Maybe Ben can bench press more than Brady and that's why he is able to get away from defenders better than Brady. Should Brady be heckled by the fans because of it? If you have 10 million dollars and I have 9 million does that mean I'm not rich? Does that mean I need to get a second job?
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I care because a $100 million dollar QB that is always hurt spending just a little more time studying film would more than likely lead to a few LESS game changing INT's (see last year) and perhaps, just perhaps another SB appearance or two with anothe SB win or two! Even though Manning and Brady are at home watching the SB like Ben is, at least they do more with less! Period!
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Then why did I watch Peyton and Brady make the very same mistakes during the playoffs that Ben makes? A little more film study isn't going to keep Ben from making mistakes or getting hurt. Period!
Click to expand...

Of the three QB's above, which one wasn't in the playoffs? Yeah, that's what I thought. There is no doubt that Manning and Brady underperformed in their playoff games, but they is also no doubt, that those two guys do more with less every single year. Ben has a great core of recievers and a Pro Bowl TE and he continues to make some of the most bone-headed throws anyone would see. The int at the end for a pick 6 against Denver and the int he threw against Dallas in OT, both interceptors said in post-game comments that they knew exactly what Ben was going to do with the ball! Maybe just a little bit of more film study should tell Ben he can't throw where the corners are expecting him to throw!
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Did they go on to win the SB? DId they even get to the SB? Isn't that the goal? Yeah, that's what I thought. The fact remains, that the very thing that Ben gets beat up about, Peyton and Brady do the same thing. You guys are high if you think QB's won't make poor decisions or poor throws just because they submerge themselves in film. And the last I checked, Ben has more SB's then Peyton. Also, Peyton had Marvin Harrison, only one of the best receivers in the league and Brady had a ton of weapons through out the years, Welker, Gronk, Moss to name a few, so lets not make it sound like they played with scrubs. And our receiving corpse as it turns out, ain't so hot.
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Funny when Brady wasnt the centerpiece of the team they won 3 of 4 SBs.... when he is the centerpiece...they cant win one...

peyton is a stat hog but continuously underperforms on the big stage....

not taking anything away from those 2 but truth be told none of us know how much or little any of these guys watch film... and to act like you do or say hey i never see him on the sidelines looking at pictures is idiotic ...
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like
YOUR MOM HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

really??
come on kiddo
TIMEOUT
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Glad I can amuse you, but the fact is you or anyone on the message board still has no clue what or how much tape these guys "Study" ...

lersgofor7, Jan 25, 2013

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well it is very telling that ben feels he doesn't need to improve or adjust his game when HE SAYS IT
he has always been that way in most things he has done

HELMET? I DON'T NEED NO STINKING HELMET

darcrav, Jan 26, 2013

darcrav, Jan 26, 2013

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The bottom line Is it comes down to making plays when you have to. The outcome is magnified when you make a mistake that cost your team the game. No one remembers all the good plays leading up to the mistake. The good plays were probably the benefit of some good film study. I guess what I'm trying to say is it wouldn't hurt to be a little better prepared. Being prepared both physically and mentally would give you the greatest chance of success.

thesteeldeal, Jan 26, 2013

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The bottom line Is it comes down to making plays when you have to. The outcome is magnified when you make a mistake that cost your team the game. No one remembers all the good plays leading up to the mistake. The good plays were probably the benefit of some good film study. I guess what I'm trying to say is it wouldn't hurt to be a little better prepared. Being prepared both physically and mentally would give you the greatest chance of success.
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Thats great and all...but fact is no one knows what these guys do behind the scenes and to suggest ben doesnt study more film than the next guy is ridiculous...because you just dont know...its all speculation..

lersgofor7, Jan 26, 2013

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I'm not saying I know if he does or doesn't. He has been quoted that he is not big on film though. All I'm saying is as he gets older and his mobility declines I'm pretty confident based on the things he has said in the past,he can do more to be better prepared if he so chooses.

thesteeldeal, Jan 26, 2013

thesteeldeal, Jan 26, 2013

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I'm not saying I know if he does or doesn't. He has been quoted that he is not big on film though. All I'm saying is as he gets older and his mobility declines I'm pretty confident based on the things he has said in the past,he can do more to be better prepared if he so chooses.
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Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding...we have a winner!

As Ben ages and his body wears down he must become a more intellectual QB if he wants to continue to have the kind of success demanded in Pittsburgh which means competing for a Super Bowl.

Ben's not a big film room guy, end of argument. He's admitted it, those that have played with him have said it and his coaches have said it. Why do some still want to question that???

Ask yourself this question. Why has Ben established his reputation throughout his career on making plays AFTER THE ORIGINAL PLAY CALL HAS BROKEN DOWN? Could it be because his read and react ability is not what it should be because of a lack of preparation and film study?

JackAttack 5958, Jan 26, 2013

JackAttack 5958, Jan 26, 2013

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JackAttack 5958 said: ↑

thesteeldeal said: ↑

I'm not saying I know if he does or doesn't. He has been quoted that he is not big on film though. All I'm saying is as he gets older and his mobility declines I'm pretty confident based on the things he has said in the past,he can do more to be better prepared if he so chooses.
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Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding...we have a winner!

As Ben ages and his body wears down he must become a more intellectual QB if he wants to continue to have the kind of success demanded in Pittsburgh which means competing for a Super Bowl.

Ben's not a big film room guy, end of argument. He's admitted it, those that have played with him have said it and his coaches have said it. Why do some still want to question that???

Ask yourself this question. Why has Ben established his reputation throughout his career on making plays AFTER THE ORIGINAL PLAY CALL HAS BROKEN DOWN? Could it be because his read and react ability is not what it should be because of a lack of preparation and film study?
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I'd say it's the nano second he gets from the line which is more the cause. And saying you don't like to watch film isn't the same as "I don't watch film", I don't think many do like watching it. Also, I can't think of any QB that watches as much film as Peyton.

Blast Furnace, Jan 26, 2013

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darcrav Well-Known Member

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Tomlin_Era said: ↑

JackAttack 5958 said: ↑

thesteeldeal said: ↑

I'm not saying I know if he does or doesn't. He has been quoted that he is not big on film though. All I'm saying is as he gets older and his mobility declines I'm pretty confident based on the things he has said in the past,he can do more to be better prepared if he so chooses.
Click to expand...

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding...we have a winner!

As Ben ages and his body wears down he must become a more intellectual QB if he wants to continue to have the kind of success demanded in Pittsburgh which means competing for a Super Bowl.

Ben's not a big film room guy, end of argument. He's admitted it, those that have played with him have said it and his coaches have said it. Why do some still want to question that???

Ask yourself this question. Why has Ben established his reputation throughout his career on making plays AFTER THE ORIGINAL PLAY CALL HAS BROKEN DOWN? Could it be because his read and react ability is not what it should be because of a lack of preparation and film study?
Click to expand...

I'd say it's the nano second he gets from the line which is more the cause. And saying you don't like to watch film isn't the same as "I don't watch film", I don't think many do like watching it. Also, I can't think of any QB that watches as much film as Peyton.
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TYPICAL
BEN DOES NO WRONG
i expect better from you TE

darcrav, Jan 26, 2013

darcrav, Jan 26, 2013

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JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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Tomlin_Era said: ↑

JackAttack 5958 said: ↑

thesteeldeal said: ↑

I'm not saying I know if he does or doesn't. He has been quoted that he is not big on film though. All I'm saying is as he gets older and his mobility declines I'm pretty confident based on the things he has said in the past,he can do more to be better prepared if he so chooses.
Click to expand...

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding...we have a winner!

As Ben ages and his body wears down he must become a more intellectual QB if he wants to continue to have the kind of success demanded in Pittsburgh which means competing for a Super Bowl.

Ben's not a big film room guy, end of argument. He's admitted it, those that have played with him have said it and his coaches have said it. Why do some still want to question that???

Ask yourself this question. Why has Ben established his reputation throughout his career on making plays AFTER THE ORIGINAL PLAY CALL HAS BROKEN DOWN? Could it be because his read and react ability is not what it should be because of a lack of preparation and film study?
Click to expand...

I'd say it's the nano second he gets from the line which is more the cause. And saying you don't like to watch film isn't the same as "I don't watch film", I don't think many do like watching it. Also, I can't think of any QB that watches as much film as Peyton.
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I'm sure Be does watch film. In fact, we've uncovered some rare footage below of Ben in the film room:

JackAttack 5958, Jan 26, 2013

JackAttack 5958, Jan 26, 2013

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more ben after napping in film room

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSBVzwhnwUo

darcrav, Jan 26, 2013

darcrav, Jan 26, 2013

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TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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JackAttack 5958 said: ↑

thesteeldeal said: ↑

I'm not saying I know if he does or doesn't. He has been quoted that he is not big on film though. All I'm saying is as he gets older and his mobility declines I'm pretty confident based on the things he has said in the past,he can do more to be better prepared if he so chooses.
Click to expand...

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding...we have a winner!

As Ben ages and his body wears down he must become a more intellectual QB if he wants to continue to have the kind of success demanded in Pittsburgh which means competing for a Super Bowl.

Ben's not a big film room guy, end of argument. He's admitted it, those that have played with him have said it and his coaches have said it. Why do some still want to question that???

Ask yourself this question. Why has Ben established his reputation throughout his career on making plays AFTER THE ORIGINAL PLAY CALL HAS BROKEN DOWN? Could it be because his read and react ability is not what it should be because of a lack of preparation and film study?
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Man, I wish I could see the video interview where Ben says he doesn't watch as much film as other QB's.

darcrav said: ↑

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

I'd say it's the nano second he gets from the line which is more the cause. And saying you don't like to watch film isn't the same as "I don't watch film", I don't think many do like watching it. Also, I can't think of any QB that watches as much film as Peyton.
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TYPICAL
BEN DOES NO WRONG
i expect better from you TE
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JackAttack 5958 said: ↑

I'm sure Be does watch film. In fact, we've uncovered some rare footage below of Ben in the film room:

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darcrav said: ↑

more ben after napping in film room

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSBVzwhnwUo
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It's clear that someone's going to believe what they're going to believe about Ben, which is why get chasing co-ed jokes and "someone said somewhere" responses to these discussions. It's entertainment, but it is what it is I guess.

TerribleTowelFlying, Jan 26, 2013

TerribleTowelFlying, Jan 26, 2013

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