Diontae Johnson on the trade block?

Don’t get me wrong I was neither defending or supporting or condoning DJ

I was just correcting a poster who is known to make up false information and posts it to suit his agenda

There is a word for posters like that but I can’t think of it right now

 

Let's be real though, there's more to fans not liking him than just the drops. That, in and of itself is a silly reason given how low that number really is but add in other things like quitting on plays and inexplicably forgetting how to run the correct direction and this is what you get. Add in his comments about Mason and rumors of wanting to play somewhere else and you have fans losing their minds.

Some of that is making something out of nothing. Some of that is making something out of, well something.

 

you are full of it, but good try

the old "if you tell a lie long enough" kind of full of it.....

go back to the oatmeal and ice cream...

 

Not to dismiss your other reasons for disliking DJ's fit on the team, but I don't see a reason to mock someone for bringing a little fact/research to a conversation.

I didn't pick up that he was attempting to dismantle your entire argument, just shining light on a common misperception with his game.

 

the fact that I was disputing was the number 2



you are unable to be unbiased too, I guess.

he dropped more than 2 passes last year - go and watch some games, people.

He has drops and bobble problems along with running sideways, backward and a bad attitude.

but don't let observation get in the way of a good narrative.

 

Look

I can only be in so many heads at one time so just take a number and get in line

 

Your right. I probably came across too aggressive. Wasn’t my intention to attack him. It just when you debate, I think it is better to touch on all the points instead of selecting one and debasing it. But I stand corrected on the point I unfairly judged DJ on.

 

You have to agree though that under Colbert we always let guys play out there contract even if we knew there was a strong chance they were not going to be retained. It drove me crazy because I felt like we were giving away value sometimes instead of trying to leverage some type of draft capital out of the situation. I like how the Steelers are thinking here with DJ .... why not capitalize on some draft capital now rather than let him walk and get nothing next year. I know there is comp picks but we seem to always backfill the position so we never receive alot of comp picks. With all of that being said I think this is more about DJ pushing for this anyway so probably can’t give management too much credit on this. If I am KC I am looking hard at DJ as he really would be a perfect fit there. Mahomes and the fans wouldn’t even notice if he dropped a pass as their whole squad had the drops last year. I had to get that one in there.

 

DJ has talent, but he’s not the guy you want mentoring GP. I’d take a second for him.

 

Apparently someone isn't familiar with compensatory draft picks.

 

The problem with the comp pick is we always backfill that position in FA that the same year we lose the guy so we never recoup the comp pick or get full value for losing said player. At least that was how Colbert worked it. Khan may handle it differently. The best team at handling this is the Ravens. They had i think 4 3rd rounders one year. They don’t sign outside free agents. They draft a guy let him sit behind a vet for a year while that vet is on his last year of his contract and just plug in the second year player. They will do that with the guard they are losing and the ILB they are losing this year. They drafted a high pedigree ILB and G last year to replace those guys already. They are much more proactive. I feel like we are still chasing holes left from Ben, Shazier and Pouncey.

 

Never said da Bears were smart

 

I would be surprised if they got a 2nd round pick for him, maybe a third is more likely.

 

All i Know is I would much rather have this guy than DJ.

 

A guy that will fit the offense and can break tackles for extra yardage. Something we don’t have on the current roster. Thick and solid to block downfield which is what Arthur Smith demands of his receivers.

 

I would rather have Legette, he's bigger and faster, a Deebo Samuel clone.

 

It's actually fact. Your imagination may tell you one thing, the NFL stats say otherwise.

 

I'm not arguing to keep him or trade him, I'm just tired of the myth that he constantly drops the ball. As far as yards go, he had 5.1 yards after catch per reception which puts him in the middle of the pack in the league at 66 out of 139 receivers. Some of the guys less than him were:

CeeDee Lamb 5.0
Travis Kelce 5.0
Mark Andrews 4.8
AJ Brown 4.5
Mike Evans 4.1
Amari Cooper 3.8
Justin Jefferson 3.8
Stefon Diggs 3.7
Davante Adams 3.3
DeAandre Hopkins 3.0


For reference, George Pickens was 6.2

On the high end was Deebo Samael with 8.8

Yes, he ran backwards on some plays........so did many other players in the NFL including some that were in the SB. It's very common.

He's not Hines Ward or Deebo Samuel.......he's not going to run people over.

Speaking of holding in.......Hines Ward and TJ Watt both did that, as did Cam Heyward......so get over it.

As far as my feelings on if he should be traded....if they aren't going to extend him then trade him.

 

You may think that......reality disagrees.

However, who am I to judge someone if they want to live in fantasy land............you do you

 

The plays with him running backward are hard to miss, but they are just a symptom of a larger issue. Johnson was dangerous with the ball in his hands as a rookie. He was dynamic on returns, but he could also make plays after the catch on offense. That is rarely the case now, and it's not as if he lost his speed. It seems to me that he lost some aggressiveness, some willingness to be a daring runner. I wonder if he is just making more business decisions now, which fits right in with him giving up on plays.

 

I had a feeling you would do the research. The YAC is difficult to quantify because a lot of it is really dictated by the offensive scheme and the route patterns etc.

Ex. Kelce isn’t running a lot if go routes.

with that being said I guess I just don’t like diminutive receivers who struggle to gain yards after contact. It just seems sac religious to be a Steeler and play soft.

You didn’t touch on the other things I brought up like lack of effort, quitting on a play or the team on the field or fighting with coaches and teammates. His attitude portrays an individual who shouldn’t be middle of the pack in yac but top five across all categories. Not condoning any superstar to act that way but at least some of these guys have the production to back it up.

At the end of the day you can throw all kinds of stats to defend DJ or your position but you’re not going to change how I feel about him. I just don’t see him as a good fit for this new offense and honestly I don’t want him influencing GP as GP seems to be trending in the same direction and we don’t need that on the team.

If we can get a third I would be happy. It’s better than paying 10 million this year and losing him next year with nothing to show for it.

 

Yeah but we would probably have to get him in the second and we need OL and CB in the first two rds. The word is Legette is very raw and not a great route runner. We have seen the height weight speed prospects not make it at the next level when they can’t win on physical gifts alone. See Chase Claypool.