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Pure Progression

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Feb 15, 2024.

  1. Wolfepack88

    Wolfepack88 Well-Known Member

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    That definitely has to be a first in Steeler history!
     
  2. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    So, getting this thread away from STD vs. the world, and back to the subject: this is a good video, but I’d like to understand the point about Pickett. Are you saying or implying that Canada’s scheme relied on pure progression - i.e a predetermined progression of receivers 1-5 before the defense aligns, and that made Pickett think too much?
     
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  3. OB1

    OB1 Well-Known Member

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    I hope they do performance reviews after every season for the coaches, but you may be right and they simply don't care about a coach's performance no matter how bad the coach is.
     
  4. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Not the world. Just a few lame a$$es.
     
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  5. Thor

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    And he still can't let it go. :facepalm:
     
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  6. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Well look who can't stop quoting Me.....LoL. like I said some on here I wouldn't ever read if they didn't keep commenting to me. Thor LoL. Sad .....no word salad , and really say nothing today??? Thor....LoL
     
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  7. Thor

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    You're the one that can't let it go. You flame Zach and Scribe, then call them 'lame a$$es'.

    I could care less what you call me. Just act like a grown up.
     
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  8. Thor

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    Was this you acting like an adult? Name calling and insinuating man crushes.

    You may need a different board.
     
  9. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I'm not going to keep asking. The last 3-4 interaction with You have been You quoting me while I'm talking to someone else. I don't know how to ask anymore nicely. Stop,.
     
  10. Thor

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    No, you're accusing me of "following you" around because I happen to comment on your thoughts. That's not following, that's a general message board.

    You then proceed to lose it, call me names, call others that nicely intervene and suggest you're acting irrationally, etc., names. And so on. Then you double back and try to play the victim.

    So can you start acting like an adult?
     
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  11. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    <snip>

    *Mod Edit: Strongly prohibited.
     
  12. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    That you think you can so fully judge a person's football knowledge based on a message board is really funny, but not in the good way. It's funny that some people here think I'm arrogant. Wow.

    Just because you allow your biases to overwhelm your knowledge and your ability to acquire more knowledge doesn't mean what you say is useless. Whether or not a member's posts have value is not a non-binary thing, but yeah, as long as you take that attitude, I'm going to mock it.
     
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  13. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    No, mostly I posted the video to counter the argument Pickett doesn’t go through his progressions, as this video points out, there could be several reasons for that. But certainly things like what is open could be hanging Pickett up, until this video I didn’t even know that was something you had to get on the same page as your OC. We’ve all seen him look off what we feel are open receivers, who knows what Canada was telling him. Also the timing within the routes might have been causing him some issues.

    And then whatever else Canada was trying to teach Pickett aside from the topic of this video. Something Fields had said at the beginning of the season got me thinking about it. He was having the same struggles Pickett was, theres one popular gif circulating where there are like 4 wide open receivers and Fields didn’t throw it to anyone. I believe it was after that game he was answering questions and basically blamed coaching, said it has him thinking too much and not just playing football. Said he just has to go out and do his thing and the very next game he throws for 400 yards and 3 TD’s.

    I think Pickett was going through much of the same thing.
     
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  14. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Oh, no doubt he was going through confusion and I personally believe that Canada had some hand in that with his play design. At the same time he had an experienced QB coach in Sullivan, so the concepts that Kurt is pointing out in the video were likely coached into him (probably in college multiple times too) and should be pretty simple for a QB. Kurt’s #1 point here was that there are ways that you attack different zone coverages because each one has its vulnerabilities, and the QB needs to be able to identify the coverage at the snap and anticipate the defender in conflict so that it gets down to a single read after the snap. I underlined anticipate because that’s what running a passing game is all about for mere mortal QBs who can’t physically do what Ben (or Mahomes, Allen, etc) often did and extend the play past the end of the designed routes so that it turned into a “see it, throw it” game down the field. Even with guys like that, most of the plays need to be run as called, and the QB needs to anticipate. Kenny showed limited ability to handle this basic QB101 concept. Also, all that Kurt covered was basic Cover 2/3/4 coverages, and identifying those is as simple as it gets. Add in a defense disguising man and zone coverages, or showing one look when it lines up, and then shifting immediately pre snap or post snap, and it gets harder. Good NFL QBs need to be able to adjust their reads in a split second and still anticipate who will be open.

    Kenny has to be able to get these types of concepts and be able to feed his weapons in time and in stride to be successful. I know that folks seeing the glass half full with Kenny point to the first Bengals game. The Bengals gave him some easy reads leaving the middle of the field with only linebackers trying to keep up with Freiermuth, and that helped. To Kenny’s credit, he saw it and delivered, but he did not get a lot of challenging looks from the Bengals D that day.
     
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  15. forgotten1

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    Progression or Aggression no matter.
    i do not see bigk with that kind of fight in him
     
  16. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Neither was Rudolph when the Steelers faced the Bengals the second time, but some folks here thought that made him the next Tom Brady.
     
  17. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Elizabeth Taylor

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    Go figure

    There is a troll that accuses another guy of this
     
  18. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    Well…I mean, if the shoe fits…:lolol:

    You are a bit arrogant, but for those of us who’ve known you for awhile it’s become somewhat of an endearing quality. :smiley1:
     
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  19. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Elizabeth Taylor

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    I particularly enjoy watching him whack the trolls who just make stuff up with no accurate facts
     
  20. forgotten1

    forgotten1 Well-Known Member

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    Hmm. I just see some one who wants to be argumentative in anyway possible.
     
  21. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Elizabeth Taylor

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    Well

    That too
     
  22. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Nah. I want people to have reasonable takes on the Steelers that are well-supported by facts that they present and cite properly. I'm always going to argue when I don't see those things. Sometimes, I will argue when I do see them, but that's the point of a message board. If we all agreed all the time, this place would be boring.
     
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  23. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I’ll ask TTF to hurry up and finish the footnote and bibliography additions to the message board post template.
     
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  24. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    Can't we all just get along?:lolol::roflmao::laughing::tomato:

    :cool:
     
  25. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Elizabeth Taylor

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    Ask him about the “dumb ass” emoji button I submitted a request for
     

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