Market for Mason not be very warm

https://steelersdepot.com/2024/02/dulac-not-going-to-be-a-bidding-war-for-mason-rudolphs-services/

I'd say this is relatively good new for the Mason fans in the house. It doesn't appear that there will be any "hot" bidding war for Mason and Pgh should be able to get him back, if they wish, on the relative cheap. Of course, Mason may still choose to flee Pgh just wanting a clean start, all things being equal. But there are a good 10-15 QBs ahead of him on he FA want list. It appears no team will sign Mason with the starting QB position in mind, any ways. But you just never know: Who thought Flacco would be the Browns starting QB - and reeling off wins - in February last year. He wasn't even on their team until November?

It's hard to say what direction Mason will take. Will he want the safety of being signed, knowing he is in an unlikely place to start? Or will he roll the dice and choose to wait for a team experiencing injuries to their QB unit? If landing a possible starting position eventually is high on his list, Pgh isn't the worst team to consider. Despite Art II's announcement that there will be a real "QB competition" he's not going to win the job in camp/preseason, but odds are Kenny is gonna get the hook or injured.

 

Should be an "Obvious" button.
Mason not having a market is not a good sign nor a reason we should sign somebody that nobody wants.

 

i think he has more value here than anywhere. keeping his market down may make it much easier and cheaper for us.

 

Dulac is a dummy, getting dumm-ier as he gets older.

wait and see, wait and see.

 

In reality, Mitch should have been cut even they just signed him. Mason did beat him out.
Mason could have started the season... and maybe did a little better job than Mitch and kept Kenny in the backup mode.
That's all water under the bridge now.
I still do not want a QB nobody else wants and a I sure as heck don't want him starting for the same reason.
They really need to bring in 3 fresh faces and go with the 2 best with the 3rd not dressing on game day and loser walks.

 

Well one thing he is right about: There is no mad "demand" for Mason as many predicted after last year's run, THAT IS FOR SURE. A lot of fans there would be this big demand for teams to sign up Mason as a potential starter; that ain't happening. But I consider this good news for the Steelers, overall. At least it gives us an option of a vet QB who know the team and has won games here to rejoin the team, potentially.

 

Mason highlights only consist of a handful of games. Many teams are wary. In many ways, his trajectory reminds me of Case Keenum. Caught lightning when he came in to replace an injured QB then fizzled after signing a big contract. He’s still a solid second stringer.

 

I mostly agree with you, but this is the Steelers; some things are just not gonna happen. We knew Kenny was at least a 3-year experiment from the minute they signed him, if not 5. We've already had 2 of the excuses happen: 1.) He's a rookie, can't expect much of anything (that's a valid excuse). 2.) Well, the OC sucked, that's not his fault (an excuse that should never have been able to be applied, but in wonders of wonders, Canada was still here for year 3 some how). And that brings us to excuse #3.) Well, there's a brand new OC, it's gonna take a while for "Kenny to learn the new system." (Something that is overrated and exaggerated. It should NOT take an entire season for a QB to learn a new system, but in Pgh...excuses rule.)

And maybe that will bring us to 4.) "Tomlin screws up the offense with his scared coaching so bad that no QB could be productive in this sh-- show." But Tomlin will try to head this off and secure a new scapegoat. The other 4.) option could be that Kenny just sucks, which could very well be the truth. But we won't know until 3-4 years in, following the "Steelers way."

 

You’re comparing Rudolph to Flacco? One is a SB winner, an MVP. The other is…….Mason Rudolph. There’s a reason there’s little interest in Rudolph. Being better than Trubisky isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement.

 

Dulac with his B.S. strikes again. This is just another article quoting Dulac, and Dulac is quoting Nobody in his original article. It if funny, Dulac has Tannehill as one of the top free agent along with Cousins, and Tannehill's market value is under $5 million per season.

I still think Mason should be making no less than what Mitch signed for last year. 3 years $33 million with Incentives.

I am also hoping that for $5 million Tannehill will come here and work with the QB's on Arthur Smith's system.

 

These are all people that predicted that Mason would not be an improvement on Trubisky and cannot admit they were wrong. Free agent signing has not even started yet. I am sure Mason will get at least one offer from his buddy, the new Atlanta coach.

 

Well, you lost me on "excuses."

Fact 1: It was fairly obvious our offense was bad. Many DC's I know and those beat guys I know, all wondered why we kept Canada around.
Fact 2: Year 1 Kenny had signs of promise, Year 2 Kenny did not look the same. I think we can put hopes a Mahomes part II away for good.
Fact 3: Kenny just did not forget how to play football all of a sudden, especially in light of the previous facts.
Fact 4: In this AFC, there are some really good QB's. The play level has to have high expectations. Mason has never risen to the bar and thus far Kenny has not either.

That leaves Fact 5: Do you blow up your draft and go after Penix, Nix, McCarthy or Rattler? (Those will be there after the first two pick barring some sort of aneurism)
They will have to trade up... to at least 4. Are any of these guys worth it?

Free Agency has our hands tied too. I could see signing a Tannehill/Brissett, drafting a Penix (just for example) and having Kenny already on the roster. It will be hurtful in the draft haul... but maybe necessary. A risky plan in my book. You damn well better believe in the QB you go after.

If they go after Cousins or Wilson... that's a different issue. You're going to need cap space.

And there's the last option, stand pat.

Aurthur Smith's offense is going to compliment Kenny Pickett. Bank it.
That doesn't say Pickett lights up the place.... I'm not sure he climbs from the third tier. But it will be a better offense.
This would buy time to 2025. A few say the QB class isn't any good... I'm not so sure I can proclaim that yet... however I see no sure fire targets.
Now what?

All I can say is, Pittsburgh has some tough evaluations ahead.
I despise the Fields thing. I don't see that anymore of a solution than Mitch. The guy can run fast but he sucks as a QB.

I'm glad I'm not a GM.

 

I don't see Mason getting more than $4 million per year wherever he ends up IMO. There are a lot of QB free agents with more experience available. Baker just played this last season for $4 million and Minshew played for 3.5. If no one else shows serious interest, the Steelers might only give him $3 million.

 

Yes, I'm comparing Rudolph to the Flacco in the here and now, or more precisely to the Flacco of 2023. If he was in such high demand what was he doing unemployed by any NFL team come November in 2023? He was considered old, washed-up QB material. Is that really such a massive reach compared to Mason right now? Sure Flacco had won a Super Bowl, but what had he done lately, within the last few years? He wasn't even on a roster. Mason isn't even 30-years-old. Flacco is 39. I agree that being better than Trubiski is no "ringing endorsement" but why did Pgh have him ahead of Mason for so long? Not such a "ringing endorsement" of Pgh's personnel chiefs.

 

I agree with most of your above points. I don't see a big disagreement with what I posted at all. I still maintain that the "excuses" I listed hold truth with what Kenny brings.

1.) He was a rookie. Valid excuse as I mentioned.
2.) His OC sucked. Another valid one but I questioned why Canada, on God's green earth, was still the OC in 2023. If that wasn't an indictment on team management I don't know what would be, regardless of of how it came about. If Rooney really left the decision up to Tomlin, then that was an egregious error on Art's part. If Art was part of the decision, then it was still an egregious decision regardless. However that decision came to be, it was an outrageous error.
3.) (Upcoming excuse, not really valid) Kenny has to "get used to" new OC. They have mini-camps and regular camps to learn the system, plus the preseason. This isn't rocket science (or we should sign Dobbs). It just doesn't fly with me. What the F are they doing at these camps? I've seen high school teams that didn't need the excuse of a new offensive system to blame a lack of production. The offense - including the QB - should be ready week 1. If not, there is something wrong with the team and/or QB.

They had 15 years to get ready for life with a new QB. So far, they are FAIL at it. Kenny should not receive a "pass" this year. If he's not producing week 1 - or soon thereafter - it's time to move on. Art has already given Kenny his verbal support for 2024. You know that's gonna last at least half the season.

 

So you don't think Mason deserves a contract like Mitch received last year with a lot of incentives.(3yrs for $33 million) I still think Mason deserves a $10+ per year contract where about half of the value is in incentives

 

I don't disagree. I just don't buy excuses.
As far as I am concerned the facts are on the field.
I've just never felt compelled to make an excuse to anyone, maybe give a reason.
Just the way I am wired.

 

Oh, well, I think we are only differing on whether I "buy" the excuses. I do not, I was just offering what I thought the team would project as the excuses, I don't buy them as legit at all, other than the 1st two. Starting with #3, I don't buy as legit.

 

If you can bank $3-$4million a year here for say 3 years you sign that f'ing deal vs going to sell real estate. Hold a clipboard wait and see if Kenny gets hurt or ****s the bed and then you start. If another team gives you starters money, you take it. $3-$4m is still beats selling real estate.

 

We need to find out if Kenny is the guy first and foremost ... because if he isn't we need to come up with other plans ... and those plans will be pricey if you don't have a decent pick in the draft after next season.

I think we will know the answer after next year. Biggest thing to me is our line sucked the first half of the year.If we get a new center I think it will make all the difference, and from there we can make a real assessment of Kenny.


Mason Rudolph is not leading this team to a Superbowl, I would rather cut bait with him. I would rather get Tanehill in here as the back up to mentor Kenny in this new system Arthur Smith will bring.

 

I think Mitch was (obviously) overpaid. The Steelers bought into their own propaganda that all that was needed in Canada's system was a "mobile" QB, blaming the lack of production on a now-limited-in-mobility, older Ben as the culprit. It was horse sh-- as we now know. They thought they were getting an experienced, "mobile" QB in Trubisky who would serve as a "capable" veteran QB until Kenny was ready. Well, they were wrong, but Pgh doesn't like admitting that, hence they signed him up for more years in 2023; a huge error.

 

kenny stinks

you are mentoring a guy that has a low ceiling

#trustME

 

I’m not so sure about Smith’s offense complimenting bigk. Smith runs a lot of playaction out of 12 personnel with qb under center. Playaction is far from one of bigk’ s strong points.

 

I don't agree. Sorry.