Wholesale changes needed, and?????

Odd analogy……

 

I don't want either one.

 

Yeah, we have a few kids, presumably in adult bodies on here. Anything negative posted about the Steelers, the non-losing season uselessness or Coach Tomlin and they fall over each other running to the board to post some childish retort. We need to move them all to the kiddie forum. A relegation so-to-speak. Put them in timeout. Let them think about their inane replies.

Now, let the childish retorts (from the usual suspects) begin...

 

If he could only compound w's

 

I'm not here to fight Huck's battles and jeh may be right, maybe he is a troll. But the post above, in spite of some of the verbiage he may use, is chock full of valid points.
1) Matt Canada should have never been hired in the first place and retaining him after the 2022 season was absolutely unconscionable and coaching malpractice on the part of Mike Tomlin. Valid point.
2) Firing Frisman Jackson was the right thing to do, but citing "lack of discipline" as the reason...that's funny right there. One of the primary criticisms of Tomlin over the years, rightly or wrongly, has been his overall lack of discipline as a head coach. Valid point.
3) Hiring Smith as the OC...I kinda liked the move but only time will tell whether or not it was the right move. He does ask the question as to whether or not Smith will serve as Tomlin's "yes man" or "flunkie" (not language I would have used) but that is a valid question given that we just had arguably the worst OC in the history of the NFL leading our offense and trying to develop our highly touted QB because Tomlin was comfortable with him. Again, valid point.
4) Nobody would argue that Trubisky, Chuks and Harvin should have been cut. He mentions that Harvin was Tomlin's buddy and I would contend that it's a fair point given that he's the suckiest punter in the league but somehow managed to stay on the team. We'll see if he's right about Cam and Pat Pete but to raise the question about whether or not Cam will be here and continue to eat up cap space when he's no longer the player he once was is fair. I hope Cam remains, but there is no way he should remain under the terms of his current contract.
5) I'm flabbergasted that more coaches didn't get the axe. I like Mike Sullivan but it's fair to ask the question why he's still around, especially now that we've hired a QB coach. The same can be asked about Pat Meyer. To me, any coach that still has the stench of Matt Canada on them should be on the chopping block. I'm torn over Faulkner as I think he has a great rapport with Harris and Warren and you wouldn't want to disrupt that. But to be talking about why more coaches, especially offensive coaches, weren't given their walking papers is not that far fetched.
6) His point about Kenny being the starter is more than fair. Why should Kenny be the presumed starter heading into next season? He just lost his job to Mason Rudolph. If Mason re-signs, Tomlin should immediately announce that Rudolph is the QB1 going into next season but Kenny will get every opportunity to win the job in camp. I think it's a fair point that Tomlin still seems to be handling Kenny with kid gloves. Hence my new nickname for Kenny...Kid Gloves Kenny for more than one reason. I know that Tomlin, Smith and company have to walk a fine line here with Kenny, but to bring it up as a discussion point is absolutely valid!

At any rate, hope that helps. I don't know who Huck is and he may prove to be just another troll, but his post here has some fair discussion points and was, for the most part, well thought out even though I would have structured some of the arguments a little differently. But the "board police" need to get off their high horses. If they've got something to contribute to the debate, then chime in. If not, move on!

 

Ketomine is a friend to high horses.
I just think there might be a thread here somewhere that contains most if not all of OP.
I could be wrong but I feel like I've seen and read it elsewhere.

All i know is Mason rules over Pickett.

 

Not for @KnoxVegasSteel

 

Players keep getting stronger hamstrings do not and can not fit the most part

You can stretch all you want but when an abnormally large muscle contracts rapidly something is going to give

It’s league wide

 

And Spirited fluids

 

that's what my wife say's about me. (abnormally large muscle)

 

What supporting information did he provide? He wrote about hiring Arthur Smith as offensive coordinator, he kept it focused on what his teams did in Atlanta while ignoring his time as offensive coordinator for the Titans. That means he is either clueless or pushing an agenda. Then he goes into the nonsense about Harvin being Tomlin's buddy. Where does that come from? What little support he offered was a mixture of nonsense and either ignorance or intentionally misleading information.

 

At your age……….

 

well yes. some of my oldest tools still work well.

 

Arthur Smith was likely going to get an OC job this offseason, he talked about wanting to work for the Steelers because it's a great organization, I doubt he's going to be Tomlin's yes man. They got rid of the offensive coaches that needed to go. Huck Finn is just making stuff up, just because Harvin stayed on the team for three years for being Tomlin's buddy is BS, plenty of bad players have stuck around longer than they should of.

 

This is going well

 

I misstated that. It wasn’t so much that he provided supporting information, but that there is support for some of the discussion points that he listed. (See my previous post above.)

 

Jack

You have enough credibility here you don’t need to backtrack

Supporting one troll will not diminish your credibility with most members

Most

 

All I’m saying is that it’s fair to question whether or not Arthur Smith will be a “yes man” for Tomlin after the disaster known as Matt Canada. I personally don’t think he will be. He seems to be an independent thinker and should have his own opinions. As for Percy Harvin, it’s absolutely ridiculous that he was kept on the roster for as long as he was so to raise questions as to why he hung around longer than he should’ve is fair. Tomlin is loyal to a fault. That can be a good thing and it can also be a fatal flaw in a purely performance based business.

 

Not backtracking, just clarifying.

 

Smith has an NFL track record in being an OC Canada didn't, not even close to being a yes man, remember Dan McCullers and how long he stuck on the team it has nothing to do with the coach buddy .

 

I guess for me seeing the organization make changes and progress in the manner that it has since long before Tomlin became coach, or Art II the president, is not cause for accusing the two of putting up a 'facade' that changes are being made. If you want to draw into question the way in which the org operates, that's one thing. But it doesn't make a valid point out of beating the dead horse that is Tomlin tearing everything down behind the scenes.

Huck's stance offers a no-win scenario when it comes to changes. He denigrates Tomlin/Rooney for not making them, just the same as when when they do. They cut Trubisky/Okorafor/Harvin, but it isn't good enough because apparently Harvin is Tomlin's 'buddy'. It's a zero-evidence theory that serves only to bash Tomlin.

With Cam, Huck apparently expects the organization to cut it's largest locker room leader and community contributor who still puts up solid numbers when healthy (Huck chooses to deride him for having only two sacks in a season when he missed a full six games), rather than simply work around the cap via an extension with void years. He concludes that Cam's another 'Tomlin buddy'... that the guy who just won the Walter Payton Man of the Year and - prior to his injury last season - was named to the Pro Bowl the past six years running (ironic with Huck complaining he's 'still paid like a Pro Bowl player') - three of those as an AP1 - is keeping his job because he's 'kissing Tomlin's a@@'. That, frankly, is disgusting to me.

As for the coaching staff, how often have you seen the Steelers clean house, yet you're flabbergasted more haven't been fired. I wish Canada never entered last season (let alone the OC position to begin with), but they did at least do something atypical in rectifying that mistake. Of course Huck's not impressed with Smith, quickly labeling it a 'Tomlin flunkie' hire, citing points scored from a single season when Smith was the HC, not the OC.

They replace the WR coach, you're both displeased despite saying it needed to be done. Regardless of what you think of Tomlin's own disciplinary tone (IMO one of his shortcomings), he isn't going to get very far if a subordinate isn't holding his group in check. They needed a new presence overseeing that room, and they have it. I'm looking for improvement, not how they packaged it to the public.

Again, my point is that while Huck covers a lot of ground here, he chooses only to skim the surface with any single point, choosing instead to bend it back on Tomlin and/or Art II bashing. If he wants to state a case against Smith as OC 'out of all the other choices there was', state a case. Who were the others he preferred and why? If he feels the 'herd needs culled beyond just those three players', who are others and what are his thoughts to replace them with the available draft/salary cap resources? Some good discussions can be had there.

My feeling is Huck doesn't want any of that. The theme that continued through each of his points was Tomlin, Tomlin, Tomlin. I wanted Tomlin replaced several years ago myself. But to run each and every issue the teams has back to Tomlin is an easy way out, and show's the poster's true agenda.

 

I don't know how much of keeping Canada and Mitch around too long was on Tomlin or Rooney. I'm sure Rooney at least influenced the Canada firing delay and may have had a hand in the Mitch debacle. As far as Tomlin himself, i'm sure there is some nepotism and cronyism going on, many teams probably have that issue to some degree. But I think Terry's assessment of Tomlin is pretty accurate; a cheerleader and buddy, who doesn't demand respect like Noll did. He hasn't done anything great - for 14 years. Just towing the line, and wasting talent of the Ben years. He should've been let go a number of years ago and of course, the culture and tone will not change as long as he's around.

 

The steelers have this problem for a long time now that they keep the problems or bad players or coach for way too long.I agree it has nothing to do with the coach buddy but this is still a problem that the steelers have

 

Noted.