Are Steelers Strategies Behind the Times?

Analytics doesn't factor in emotion and momentum. When the 49ers made the stop on 4th down their defense came flying off the field celebrating and the Lions walked to the sidelines with their heads down. The 49ers knew all they had to do was go down and score a TD and all of a sudden it is a one score game instead of trailing by 17 points.

 

again, no guarantee that the lions kicker would have make this 48 yards FG....

 

But they 100% failed to make the 2 fourth down plays in the game. They had a good percentage of making it on fourth down in the regular season but there is a big difference of going for it in October against the Vikings and going for it in the NFC championship game against an elite team like the 49ers.

 

True but they also make a huge fourth down call for a TD vs rams too...Sure you can't be 100% on every fourth down call

But because of their kicker which was a weakness for the lions and the fact that the lions offense was great and were great in the short gain situation all season long including the playoffs until that point are one of the reasons why Cambell's decision was not that bad...The result was bad but not the decision

 

Or like Texas Hold'Em Poker.
Pocket Aces are around a 4-to-1 favorite against a single hand before the flop.
But players often have a melt-down when they wind up losing with that hand. Being a heavy favorite doesn't guarantee a win every time.

 

BTW, I'm not arguing against the stats, I was just saying to use proper stats, and that post by Nate Atkins was completely wrong.

So, from 48-49 yards, the kicker is 57%.

What was the 4th down conversion rate for Lions on 4th and 3? The Nate Atkins propaganda said "4th and fewer" was 75%. But who cares about 4th and inches/1/2 yards. What was their conversion from 4th and 3?

It is entirely possibly Lions were 100% conversion from 4th and inches/1, but 0% from 4th and 3...

 

As to the question of "are steelers strategies behind the times", Tomlin continuously says he uses gut feelings to make decisions... so yes, steelers are a few centuries behind the times.

 

It’s still only football.

 

You might be misinterpreting what Tomlin said.
He might not be using his own guts, and might be using a technique centuries and millennia old.
"In the religion of ancient Rome, a haruspex was a person trained to practice a form of divination called haruspicy, the inspection of the entrails of sacrificed animals."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haruspex

 

The bigger the gut, the bigger the feelings

 

Look at the 3 biggest analytics user in the NFL. One was fired, and none won the SB. Analytics works for some things, but doesn't ever take in to consideration....fear, fatigue, heart, pain, and other things that are in a contact sport.

 

And to be fair Reynolds dropped a first down.

 

I do agree with that but the SB proved that 50+ yard FG's are no problem. Was so odd, A SB FG record and a short time latter that record was broken.

Looking forward to BOZ breaking it next season

 

So does shanahan

 

Are you saying Reynolds could have wrapped up a victory?

 

You can use all of the analytics or gut feelings you like.........still need an elite QB to win a championship.

 

Most the time yes but there have been a few journeymen who have won a SB. A few come to mind. Trent Dilfer for the Ravens. Got rewarded by being let go I believe. Brad Johnson with the Bucs. I never would consider Nike Foles an elite QB. Hell, the Eagle fans cried when Wentz went down and he had to guide them in the Playoffs. Actually know guys who had season tickets and didn't go to first Playoff game thinking it was a guaranteed loss. Boy, they were happy and pissed at the same time.

I'd say Nick Foles the best of those 3.

 

You normally piss me off on here but that was good! Cheers

 

Dilfer won 24 years ago, Brad Johnson 20 years ago.........NFL has changed a lot since then. Hell, Foles won 6 years ago and I guess could be the exception. You shouldn't build a team around the idea of a rare exception though.

 

That's simply not true. Other people's actions have no effect on your own. There's no such thing as someone stealing your card.

The strategy is the same regardless of what happens around you

 

True. The strategy remains the same. Stupid players can ruin a table however.

 

Totally agree but if you don't have that elite QB there is a teeny little bit of a chance. Steelers this past season with Mason. You need an amazing team around you and have to catch lightning in a bottle but this is the Steelers only hope for what I'm guessing is years to come.

In the past we almost did it with Neil O.

 

Again, with Neil, deferent times in the NFL

 

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