If the Steelers are below .500 next year and miss playoffs................

because he doesn't have any control on the team but maybe he will grow up , till now the team is managed by ben and lebau

 

There are so many reasons...and each has been discussed on this message board 1000 times. We all obviously have our opinion...and I stated mine. I think he should have been gone last year when he didn't have the nads to fire Arians. I've been a Steeler fan for 39 years and can't remember a more undisciplined and unfocused team. There are many reasons we are undisciplined and unfocused...but it all starts with Tomlin

 

One other thing...I've never seen a Steeler team with more selfish players than what we have now...nor have I seen a Steeler team with more players in trouble off the field than what we have now. In my opinion...this team has gone down hill significantly since Tomlin has taken the reigns.

 

AH HA!

I told you in another thread that these kinds of people existed here!

 

And another...

 

And a 3rd!

 

True enough. But my point is, using the excuse of not having Ben only goes so far when Kordell still managed to get us (or rather - the team got there with Kordell at the helm) to a similar number of championship games. Let's not also forget Ben has been injured, throwing himself through truck windows, etc. etc. I know what you were saying, but I think that argument against Tomlin can be overstated.

 

I think a bigger question I would have if I was the Rooney's,
are we putting an exciting product on the field for our fans?
Have we supplied the coaching staff with quality players to compete
with the top echelon teams? If they can honestly answer yes to these
questions then they must think about a change in the coaching ranks.

 

Basically this.

 

Yeah get rid of everyone!! It's a piece of cake to find a new coaching staff that will consistently get us into the SB. I say why wait..

 

It's not always about Ws and Ls. If we all base our level of satisfaction on winning, then, heck, we are all left unsatisfied almost every season. For the six Super Bowls I've seen the Steelers win, I've seen 36 in which the team lost its final game or didn't make the playoiffs. I can tolerate losing if I know the team simply got beat by a better team. As logn as my guys go out and play the game right, play the game hard, play the game to the best of their ability, I'm okay with losses.

So on to Tomlin. I am not okay with the level of play, level of discipline, level of performance (or lack thereof) that I have seen since Tomlin took over. It is unacceptable to see his teams routinely struggle with lesser opponents. It is unacceptable to see stupid penalties and bonehead mistakes. And it seems to me that they learn these behaviors from HIM...I have never seen a coach make as many stupid tactical blunders as he does.

Tomlin does not seem like a leader. He comes across as a buddy. And that "players coach" approach only lasts so long.

 

Not sure what this means:

Cowher's second half record, 1992-97: 32-16 (32-13 if you take away "starters pulled," meaningless games they lost).
Tomlin's second half record, 2007-2012: 28-20

Cowher's post-season appearances: 6
Tomlin's post-season appearances: 4

Cowher's division titles: 5
Tomlin's division titles: 3

Cowher's post-season record 1992-97: 5-6
Tomlin's post-season record 2007-2012: 5-3

Aside from the (very big) fact that Tomlin already has a ring, his first six seasons in Pittsburgh are a bit of a disappointment compared to Cowher's. Does that make us spoiled? I don't know. But my biggest criticism of Tomlin has been his reluctance/inability to put a stamp on this football team. When Cowher came in, he implemeneted a philosophy. He hired Capers and Erhardt as his coaches. He said, "We are going to play physical; punishing defense, punishing ground game. We want to exert our will on opponents."

Tomlin came in, didn't really hire anybody, said to the coaches and players, "You guys do what you want while I eat a sandwich."

 

One of the reasons that Cowher could put his stamp on the team, is Cowher didnt have to deal with a restrictive CBA. Tomlin has been restricted on how he can practice the team the last 2 years.

 

this is the most ridiculous post i have read...hes been to 2 super bowls in 6 years???!!!!! go root for the chiefs, raiders, dolphins, cards etc... for a few years then come back and tell me about disappointment ....

 

Very well said and I agree 100%. On a side note...if Cowher had Ben instead of Neil, Kordell, etc....these number wouldn't even compare and we would maybe have 10 rings. Cowher did so much more with less. I miss the chin.

 

And this is the most ridiculous post I have read. You are just now beginning to see "Tomlin's team" that he built through the draft. How does that look to you? Stay tuned because it is going to look worse unless something is done soon. Cowher always had back-ups waiting in the wings at most positions (except QB). With Cowher's teams, I could tell you pretty much what the team would look like in 3-5 years. Please tell me who will be at what position on this current team in 3-5 years??? Lately, I can't even tell you who will be at what position from week to week.

 

Good logic, considering that by all reports Cowher was dead set against drafting Ben.

The reason we didn't have a star QB all those years wasn't just because there wasn't one sitting waiting in the draft. Cowher simply never gave the position as much credit.

 

I am not comparisng the Steelers to the Chiefs, raiders, Dolphins, etc. I think you missed the point. I am comparing Tomlin to Cowher and suggesting why "we" are critical at this point. Let's face a fact, though, about Tomlin's Super Bowl victory: Is it any more of an accomplishment than Barry Switzer's title in 1995?

 

First six seasons as coach. Gotta compare apples to apples.

 

Actually, he did. Free agency was in full swing by the early 90s, and the salary cap put the Steelers in even more of a bind. Remember, in the 90s, signing bonuses did not count against the cap. The Steelers started losing FAs left and right. It wasn't because they couldn't offer a competitive salary, it's because they didn't have the resources to offer multi-million dollar signing bonuses.

 

Free Agency is not the same thing as CBA - I believe Truckin was referring to the rules about practice etc. rather than salaries.

You're right, of course, that Cowher did well to maintain any kind of consistency under the FA of the 90s, though.

 

This was about Tomlin and if he went below .500 next year. Ya'll want to bring in Cowher's record and/or coaching ability.

Here you go!!!

Cowher took over a team that was trapped into a period of poor performance. The teams record before cowher was named head Coach was
85' 7-9 no playoff
86' 6-10 no playoff
87' 8-7 no playoff
88' 5-11 no playoff
89' 9-7 loss in the wild card game
90' 9-7 no playoff
91' 7-9 no playoff

Cowher came in, cleaned house with a new coaching staff except for Dick Hoak. Results are:
92' 11-5 Div Champ AP Coach of the Year Sporting News Coach of the Year
93' 9-7 Wild card
94' 12-4 Div Champ Champ game loss
95' 11-5 Div Champs SuperBowl Loss
96' 10-6 Div Champs
97' 11-5 Wild Card Champ game Loss
98' 7-9 no playoffs
99' 6-10 no playoffs
00' 9-7 no playoffs
01' 13-3 Div Champs Champ game loss
02' 10-5 Div Champs
03' 6-10 no playoffs Drafted Ben
04' 15-1 Div Champs Champ game loss Sporting News Coach of the Year
05' 11-5 Wild card SuperBowl Win!!
06' 8-8 no playoff
Let's also look at Cowhers coaching tree since building a staff is a HC 1st and most important job as it is directly linked to the teams success.All of these Asst became future HCs. Dom Capers-Chan Gailey-Jim Haslett- Mike Mularkey-Ken whisenhunt- Dick LeBeau- Marvin Lewis

Please don't mock or disrespect Coach Cowher with statements like " even the Great Cowher" or nick pick parts of his career. Yes the 3 season span between 98-00' was a playoff drought and two consecutive losing seasons but he EARNED the right to fix it by his past performance of 6 consecutive winning playoff appearing seasons thatr saw 3 champ game and 1 superbowl appearance. This performance was done following a Legendary Coach whose last 7 seasons were dreadfully poor with 1 playoff appearance as a wildcard loss. We who lived thru the 70's glory and 80's shame Love and respect Cowhers ability to return us to respectibility and NO, we aren't spoiled fans but instead fans who Know firsthand what can be done with the right coaching staff.

Tomlin took over a team that was 2 years removed from a SB victory. 4 of the previous 6 seasons were playoffs with three of them being Championship games. Not only that but the final year before he came in was an uncharacteristic fluke at 8-8 which gave Tomlin a Strong Team that was use to deep playoff appearances and a top 15 draft pick.

He didn't build a coaching staff but kept the one in place except departing OC and OL coach and his hiring of these two failed as has his ST coach he hired and strenght & conditioning coach. Yes his 1st 4 seasons had 2 SB appearances. He's good at steering a ship already moving in the right direction. He is also slowly putting his stamp on the team making it his team with the draft choices Coaches he's hiring. Lake was a great choice. I think so was Haley.


Can he make the hard decisions? When will he replace LeBeau and with who if Butler is gone, will he let Butler go?
How about our poor performance by our WRs and RBs? Will he replace those coaches or keep popular Kirby Wilson or Scotty Montgomery(WRs)

His last two seasons was a wildcard loss and a no playoff appearance. his ship is off course. If he goes under .500 next year it'll be way off course and the question is has he earned to right or is he the right coach to fix it?


Cajun-

 

Greta post Cajun, although those 80's records really brought back the pain for me. I went to many of those games because tickets were very available. Watching Mark Malone live was about the same enjoyment as a non medicated root canal.