Legit question. How many people who want Tomlin gone also think Pickett is the answer at QB?

I am just really curious here because there has been a clear animus towards Tomlin for years. I look around at other teams and tend to think how lucky we are. Like the Chiefs and Dolphins with top tier offensive coaches only have one more win than us. The Ravens have had Harbaugh forever but they also have an elite QB. So I am just curious if the people who want Tomlin gone also want a better QB or are they ok with potential years of worse than 10-7 records in an attempt to try to develop Pickett.

 

If you're asking for my personal preference, then I'm going with 2nd Option.

While it's true that I've gained a more favorable opinion of Tomlin in recent weeks, I still think he's stale and too slow to change / only makes meaningful changes when it's at the very last minute.

And Kenny is very, very close to being a bust - I mean, he's definitely straddling the line, imho.

 

. Tomlin ain’t getting fired and Kenny will be competing for the starting job in 2024.

 

I'd fire Tomlin and whatever the new HC wanted to do at QB I'd support, but I'm a heavy replace Kenny lean.

 

I can take Tomlin but I am a believer we are going to go through what we did from Terry to Ben. Maybe we will find a franchise QB quicker then that time period but he sure the hell ain't on the team now.

The Steelers will draft a QB at some point in the draft. How it will help, impossible to know.

 

My struggle with Kenny is that some of the plays Mason is making now were there for the taking. Kenny either missed seeing the open receiver or was off target in his throws.

I have been critical of Tomlin at times, but will give him credit for the last three games. That stretch of games shows what you can do with decent QB play. We went from looking like a dumpster fire to a somewhat competitive team.

I still don’t think Tomlin gets fired given his career and getting to the playoffs this year. He might decide to take a break though (similar to when Cowher walked away and then just hung it up permanently).

 

Another example of how a QB can cure all -

We live near Baltimore and it wasn’t too long ago that the city was calling for Harbaugh’s job. In recent years, things have turned around with Lamar and now all is good.

 

I like Tomlin but 17 years is long enough.
And I can't see a new Coach putting his future on the line with Pickett.

 

That’s where I am and that is not one of the 4 options and it’s the most likely result

 

fire tomlin is the wrong option - Tomlin will NEVER be fired. Want Tomlin gone is the EDIT.

trade or retire / resign, is what most prefer or see at the option

 

Kenny Pickett has been handed way too much without having to prove a whole lot thus far in his Steelers tenure.

Maybe this will lit a fire under him to stop playing so dang conservative in the future.

I believe Kenny will get his shot again, but he's going to have to win it back and prove he is the guy.

 

OP you really think Tomlin would get fired, after getting this average team into the playoffs ?

 

Part of my concern with Tomlin is that he and the staff he built have done a terrible job with Pickett. He regressed significantly this season. I think that is a combination of Canada's incompetence and Tomlin's conservative approach. The poor pass protection most of the season didn't help, either.

Remember, Pickett looked good against the Bengals, too. One bad call robbed him of a passing touchdown and a 300-yard day. Their defense stinks, but it was even easier for Rudolph in the rematch. They were going to focus on Freiermuth after he gouged them in the first meeting. They expected the Steelers to remain ultra-conservative with their third-stringer stepping in. The Bengals had just lost B.J. Reader, a stud run stuffer in the middle of the defense, so they had to focus other resources on stopping Harris and Warren. Their only real pass rushing threat, Hendrickson, was injured early in that game. He returned, but didn't do much after that.

Don't get me wrong. Right now, Rudolph is playing better. Pickett needs work, preferably with a quality offensive coordinator they hire this offseason.

All that said, Tomlin isn't going anywhere unless he wants to go. This three-game winning streak and trip to the playoffs sealed that deal.

 

I think at least part of being so conservative was coaching. Tomlin wanted to win by playing defense, running the ball, and maybe let his quarterback loose a little at the end of the game. If you constantly tell a young quarterback that he has to avoid turnovers at all costs he is going to lose his aggressiveness. It is just a theory, but I think that is what happened to Pickett.

 

Here are my thoughts:
Lets not pretend Tomlin is a coaching geniuis. He won the last 3 games on the schedule against lousy teams. ( except Baltimore but they didnt play their starters. Cincy and Seattle didnt make the playoffs ) Tomlin lost to two 2-10 teams back to back AT HOME!!! Then lost to a Gardner Minshew led Colts team. Tomlin has had 3 game losing streaks for the past 6 seasons. That hasnt happened since 1933 - 1941, our first years in existence.

Pickett, lets not pretend he is the franchise QB. Yes he was a first round draft pick, yes he was better than Trubisky, but was he or is he better than Mason? The stats show otherwise. Since we only have a limited amount of film on Mason this year. Lets use Keeny's game against the bengals without MC and Mason's game against the bengals also without MC. Its clear that Mason had a better game, scored more points and ran the offense way better. Do I think Kenny has a chance to regain #1 next year in camp, absolutely, does he start this week, absolutely not. I know the teams Mason beat werent very good, but his numbers were. Thats what you would expect from your QB against bad competition.

Kenny hasnt put up good numbers against anyone all year. By that I mean good numbers indicative of a franchise / #1 QB.

Call it the hot hand , call it fate, call it whatever you wish, but the fact remains Mason has earned this spot, he has earned this opportunty based on his performance on the field, not by his draft position.

As for the poll, Losing Tomlin wouldnt be the end of the world. Making Kenny #2 wouldnt be the end of the world. Point is, Mason saved Tomlins behind. if we finish on a 6 game skid, dont make the playoffs, Tomlin was pretty much done....either he walked or Rooney would have shown him the door. I want new blood in our coaching staff, I dont want a dictator HC, I want competent OC, DC, line coaches, QB coaches, LB coaches and so on. Let them do their jobs and if they fail, replace them. The worst thing we can have is a HC that wants to run all facets of everything.

 

To be honest, if "Pickett will compete for a starting job" was an option, I'd have gone with that, although I'd prefer a huge shake up in the coaching department, including at HC.

Of course, the question posed by OP is what our personal preference would be and not what we think the most realistic, probable outcome will be.

If I'm going with what I think will happen and not what I'd like to happen, I think the most likely scenario is that Tomlin's contract will be extended by 1 to 2 years, and Kenny will be forced to compete with either Mason (if they can somehow figure out a way to keep him), some other veteran QB (but not Trubisky), or some other unknown 3rd+ round QB that they find in the 2024 draft's bargain bin.

I don't think they're going to draft a QB in the first or second round though - unless someone really good magically falls into their lap, which I would not expect to happen given what will presumably be a year where top pedigree QBs are going to be a hot commodity for a whole slew of teams. I think they'll more than likely make drafting a quality center and other OL positions their biggest priorities...or at least, I would hope so.

The big caveat in regards to Tomlin staying or not is whether he actually wants to. If the rumors are true and he's contemplating retirement (temporarily or otherwise), then the ARII might have to be shopping for a new HC whether he wants to or not. Of course, any such rumors should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

I will not hate on Tomlin for making mistakes. He just needs to strategize better if he leaves it's his decision. If he stays ill support him. We could always get a worse head coach.

 

Mutually exclusive concepts. Both will play out independent of one another.

 

You need another option fire tomlin and hold qb competition. And you can have the Keep Tomlin and hold QB competition. I am for the former so your option selection doesn't fit for me.

 

I think Pickett is technically going to compete for the job next year regardless of what we do. He is under contract for 2 more years (and a 5th year option potentially), so there is no reason to not at least be open to him winning a job whether we sign a QB, draft someone high in the draft, or stand pat with Pickett/Rudolph/3rd QB.

Personally, I'd be fine with a coaching shakeup. We have a good team/organization, so we would have essentially the pick of the crop in the open market... hopefully that could kick start the team into the next era of Steeler football. I'd be fine with Pickett competing, but we should 100% be looking at upgrading/moving on if we can. We don't need to FORCE it, as in do anything at all just to have someone else start... but the writing is on the wall with Pickett and I have nearly 0 confidence that he can pick up his play enough for me to feel comfortable at all with our offense being led by #8.

 

You get your pick of anybody available to be the next coach, who are you picking and how long do they have to get this team to championship contention before you’re calling for someone else?

 

Tomlin preferably resigns, and keep Pickett one more year to compete with Mason for the #1. Draft a QB in the middle rounds, and cut Trubisky

 

Idk honestly, we don't have the full list of available candidates.

Of the guys that are NFL coaches right now, I would probably say that Ben Johnson (OC Detroit) and Bobbly Slowik (OC Houston) would be the most ideal of the younger candidates that have no HC experience.

Of the guys that are older/have HC experience, Vrabel would be a great choice. Dan Quinn, Jim Schwartz, and Brian Flores all could be names that are entertained.

The amount of time doesn't matter as much as how the team is trending. If we get a new coach and all we do it run the team into a top 10 pick for multiple years and the players aren't really responding... then I'd be calling for someone else. But even if the team struggles a bit, and the team is playing hard and the players are responding, I would be fine holding firm to see if we could improve the talent in specific ways to make that coach work. It's not a hard deadline I guess. Lots of factors involved.

 

So basically anybody but Tomlin and they would get an indefinite amount of time as long as they stay out of bottom of the league for consecutive years.

At those names. You people are a joke.

 

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