Mason vs Kenny statistics, also deep throw stats

So I wrote this in another thread. But I think many would like to see it. Also want to say I'm a big Kenny fan and hope the best but....


I know this is fantasy football. But it does rankings of defense for passing, TD etc points.


Kenny should have done great in Jacksonville and Houston. I get those were with Canada. However Kenny missed Canada easy game plan on connections.

Also.....




Kenny only having 3 games over 90 rating, is a problem for me. With horrible ratings against Jacksonville and Houston.


Now Mason....



Mason had harder defenses than Jacksonville/ Houston. And....


Those two Games were over 110+ rating. Something that Kenny hadn't done in two years. And only once was over 100.






Kenny played 9ish full games. Rudolph 2 complete games. So 4.5 times more Kenny got to see the field. Yet, Mason has severally better connected deep throws per game average. Mason also has less poor by almost nine times. Mason has zero drops, and we have continued to see poor snaps to him. Only thing Kenny is equal to is redzone attempts per game, however I will urge you to see the scoreboard.

I'm not saying, "omg Mason is amazing and perfect". But he's better than Kenny is. And Kenny needs to sit, watch and learn. Just like 2019 Mason did. Because Mason looked like a kid trying to walk for the first time, while on ice.

So yes, Mason starts next year, unless he performs a rating below 55 against the Ravens.

 

He might. He might not. But I see he is worth paying for. Specially if he has a rating over 80 against the Ravens.

 

Do they really have the Ravens 32nds and the Browns 30th? Am I reading that right?

 

Yep

 

the point isn't the glass is half empty or half full. The point is that it is refillable.

That means that let's stop arguing which mediocre QB we want by getting an elite QB, coach him up with elite coaching, get him an elite play caller, and let's win a Super Bowl instead of arguing over a mediocre season.

 

Kenny hasn't done anything to show he deserves to be starting next year.
Kenny had easy games. As well playing games where defense players were out.

 

Yep. If Kenny sits for a couple years, let's see how he is. But as of right now, he's only worth being a backup.

 

For fantasy perspectives, they're listing it as a ranking of points surrendered to the QB position. So a lower ranking would be a better defense, so to speak.

 

Mason shouldn't be handed the starting gig for '24/'25 in week 16 of '23 any more than Kenny should. Kinda putting the cart in front of the horses aren't ya? Considering there's a chance Mason isn't even with the team.

 

Kenny is in the developmental phase. Kenny showed "something". I will let you try to remember the flashes that Kenny showed. The Steelers won't give up on KP heading into this 3rd season. They will remain hopeful that KP can take the next leap in his development.

I know it's a difficult process for the instant gratification fans to accept.

Meanwhile, the Steelers have an opportunity to make the playoffs without a clear cut franchise QB. Adversity/competition can be good for players and teams.

 

This is far too small a sample to make a reasonable decision about 2024. The Ravens game, fine.

What you should look at is the comparison between the two against the Bengals. It's the only full game sans Canada that Pickett started, and aside from the two TDs Pickett was just as good, and in some stats better, than Mason was. (And of course a one game face-off is too small to determine anything much out of either.)

Point is, while I like how much better the offense has looked under Rudolph the past two games, it's just too small a sample to predict who is better for the team down the road. I'm happy for Mason and hope he continues, but given the contracts and draft capital involved I fully expect Kenny to re-enter the picture and be given a shot to show what he's got. I'm still pulling for him as well.

 

Oh boy...... where to start with this one. Hmmmmm.

So Mason historically has put up terrible numbers. Remember 4 int's and getting beat up? Then replaced by a Duck against a 0-fer Bengal team.
But here's the thing:
When I went to camp Kenny's first year, Mason and Kenny were playing almost lights out. Mitch was leaving divots and throwing to the Defense.
I am not implying Mason magically morphed into a butterfly.
But Mason should have been the starter right out of the gate and Mitch eating sunflower seeds and reading Joe's Garage.

Mason has been playing lights out now, 115 rating.
He's not mobile.... ergo the 'Standing in the pocket' thing.

Kenny has played, well, like a rookie or a 2nd year player hitting the wall.
We've seen some great stuff. We've seen not so good. (All in Canada's idea of an offense)
We do need to see more. Training Camp needs to be open competition and the 'real' winner needs to start.

 

These kfp fan boys are exhausting... Mason is the man...

 

I never said Pickett should walk into the 2024 season with the job locked up like he did this year, but you are saying that about Rudolph after two games against bad competition.

Also, I can't take anything seriously from a source that has the Ravens and Browns ranked that low in passing alone or overall. They do not know what they are talking about.

 

Two starts after five years ranging from mediocre to showing so little they didn't even want him as a backup. LOL

 

Also, keep in mind that Pickett was robbed of a touchdown pass against the Bengals. He also faced a tougher version of that defense. The Bengals lost D.J. Reader, a an excellent run-stopper in the middle, the week before the game that Rudolph started against them.

 

Yep. We have 3 backup QBs on this roster. Regardless of where they were drafted or what kind of draft grade the FO had on them, they are all mediocre at best. And at worst, just plain terrible. Hard to believe we go from having a HOF QB to debating which one these scrubs sucks less than the others which feels like we are back in the mid 1980's.

 

You know they are not giving up on KFP when you see even now KP is listed as #1 QB on depth chart.

 

Oh, I didn't realize he was reading that backwards. Lol

 

Here’s another stat. Picket has the worst ratio of TD to pass thrown of any qb in nfl history at 1.82% (minimum 500 passes thrown). I doubt Steelers will be able to get a 5th round draft pick for him despite his cap friendly salary

 

I think we'd all agree that the recent showing by Mason is a small sample size and we need more to say it is a trend. It helps that the running game racked up over 200 yds against Seattle. Who, BTW has given up over 1,000 rushing to opponents in their past 6 games for the worst in the NFL. I would say that playing against crappy defenses helps. That won't be the case Saturday.

 

It’s a small sample size but all I know is with Mason @the helm they’ve gone from prit near bottom of the league in Offense to almost the top. Think they were #3 in total offense and #2, I believe, in rushing. Let’s see what the young man does in Ratbirds nest. If we do make it in run with him the whole way see if we’ve hit lightning in a bottle finally.

 

I agree he has flashes. But so has every QB.

The thing that bothers me is he is not better than last year. He's only showed he's a backup with highlights.

 

he could be, I think the realization needs to be that half or more of 1st round QB picks are busts, as in their career in the NFL is not significant as a starter. Whether KP should have been taken in the 1st is moot, he was, by us. In some cases a team recognizes right away that it was the wrong choice, whatever position..a few times we see players released quickly, but if they show something you have to make the best of it, I have been seeing vids where its stated KP is done, blah blah. Honestly it isn't Omar's pick and he may surprise us, but traditionally and business wise this is not usually how the steelers work.

 

There are only two games out of 11 that Kenny played this year that are comparable or we can say the same as Mason's output against CIN and SEA.
Kenny's LV game = Mason CIN
Kenny at Rams = Mason at Seahawks

The rest of Kenny's performances this year are pure garbage, incomparable. Of those garbage games three were the best and comparable to Rudolph in 2019, and those are BAL, TEN, and at CIN.