How good is Tomlin vs the rest

the coaching tree alone shows something, while some may have only been with him a short time, 2, Dungy and Cowher are in the HOF,

 

If the chargers DB don't fumble the interception in the 2006 playoffs game vs pats,I believe the chargers would won the super bowl and Marty would been in the HOF.But Marty never had a break in his career in the playoffs...Most unlucky coach in sports history

 

He should be in, and likely one day will, guys get lost in the gauntlet, but one day the committee will have a 'who have we missed' meeting, lol

 

Hey, I grew up driving my parents' Pinto and let me tell you, that car was un-killable! I abused the hell out of that poor thing, including but not limited to seeing how high we could get all four wheels off the ground on hilly back roads. Luckily I never got rear-ended and burst into flames!

 

How about those teams all had holes and just weren’t good enough? You give Tomlin no credit while implying that he deserves all of the blame.

Take that last ‘15 regular season game against the Ravens(it wasn’t the last game of the reg season but whatever), you talk about them “crapping the bed” implying that it was on Tomlin but you don’t mention that Ben got outplayed by Mallet. Ben had no tds and 2 pics in that game while Mallet didn’t turn the ball over at all.

The point is, this isn’t a real argument. You just cherry picked games/seasons that you were disappointed by with no context other than implying that the disappointments were all Tomlin’s fault.

 

It’s both funny and sad watching the Tomlin haters scramble trying to justify their BS when confronted with facts that rogue them wrong lol. Tomlin is a great coach and that’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. You’re just not goi g to get an honest discussion on Tomlin because people have hidden motives and agendas.

These discussions are never had in good faith. Regardless of all the facts proving them wrong, the haters will just continue to parrot the same simpleminded dumb talking points.

It is what it is but the facts speak for themselves.

 

This is what I mean by giving Tomlin no credit and all the blame. You give him no credit for having this team 7-4 while implying it’s all his fault that they came back down and are now 9-7. That points to some kind of anti-Tomlin bias whether it conscious or subconscious.

When the team was 7-4 they could’ve easily been 4-7 or even 3-8. Before the season they were predicted to finish last in the division and miss the playoffs. This was before firing Canada, the rash of injuries and the regression of Kenny was known. They’ve had to deal with all of that and could still exceed expectations. This team is 8-2 in its last 10 1-score games. I don’t think that many fans are capable of recognizing good coaching.

 

The Steelers remind me of an old professional Golfer, Jack Nicklaus. Steelers have been to 16 AFCCG's winning 8. Jack Nicklaus has 18 Majors and has finished 2nd in 19. So Steelers were 1 game away from being in 16 SB's. Imagine that and Nicklaus was a stroke here or there from winning 37 Majors.

 

Well, to be fair your 1:14 stat is circumstantial. One might just as easily say that the Steelers having hired nothing but HOF coaches over the past 54 years (assuming Tomlin is one day enshrined).

Some other stats to put things in perspective:

• From 1972 thru 2022 (51 years), the Steelers have had had only 7 losing seasons (Noll 4, Cowher 3, Tomlin 0)
• Most consecutive losing seasons: 2 (1985-86 and 1998-99)

• Number of seasons the Steelers made the playoffs during that span: 32 (Noll 12, Cowher 10, Tomlin 10)
• Number of playoff wins by coach: Noll: 16, Cowher 12, Tomlin 8

• Number of times the Steelers have missed the playoffs over that span: 19 (Noll 8, Cowher 5, Tomlin, 6)
• Longest streak of non-playoffs under each coach: Noll 4 (1985-88)*, Cowher 3 (1998-00)*, Tomlin 2 (2012-13, 2018-19)

• Number of seasons without a playoff win over that span: 31 (Noll 12, Cowher 7, Tomlin 12)
• Most consecutive seasons without a playoff win by coach: Noll 4 (1980-83 and 1985-88), Cowher 3 (1998-00), Tomlin 6+ (2017-present)

Tomlin's streak of non-losing seasons is commendable, as are his accomplishments early in his tenure. But we know that sports tends to be a WHYDFML-type atmosphere, and where Tomlin has fallen out of favor with many is his lack of playoff success, particularly over the past ten years. He missed them entirely in half the seasons from 2012-19, and hasn't had a playoff win in six years and counting. Those results are simply outside of the norm most fans know and - unlike the period in the 80s that was largely rebuilding - a good chunk of the these years saw a talented roster led by a franchise QB.

Of course there are risks involved with a new HC, but given Tomlin's increased struggles over time despite a good roster, and now facing a rebuilding/retooling phase, many are ready to face that risk and trust the organization to find a quality candidate as they have in the past.


* - Team also failed to secure a playoff win from 1990-93, the transition between the last/first two years of Noll/Cowher.

 

The steelers had make the playoffs in 1982 and 1983

 

and the defenders will always be here.....until we ask for you to show up after losing to 2 back to back 2-10 teams!

the great underachiever, Mike Tomlin - the standard is the standard!

 

Must have been confusing missing playoffs with no playoff wins.

Correction made, thanks.

 

Right now,Tomlin has a very high floor....I think he could have a .500 record with most of the bad team in the NFL....But his problem is his celling in the last 10 years and I prefer the celling that the floor

Here what I write yesterday on Tomlin in a another thread

 

Well then we're set up for success!!! Just let MT stay forever. Won't get to another superbowl but hey we will have one of the greatest coaches of all time!!!

 

Well, I hope they move on From Tomlin. But they’re going to do what they’re gonna do.

 

You’re one of these sassy types that just likes to run around being passive aggressive huh?

At some point y’all have to move on from the Ben era. We can keep debating that era and why the team didn’t win in Ben’s prime but trying to judge/punish Tomlin for that now is silly. This is year 2 of the post Ben era and judgement of Tomlin here on has to be done in the context of being in year 2 of a rebuild.

Not only do they have to find/establish a new qb, they’ve also got to rebuild this roster which has lots of holes around the big name talent. Overall, this was a mediocre roster even before the injuries. This team was predicted to finish last in their division and not make the playoffs. Discussions about Tomlin just aren’t being had in good faith.

I actually do want to respond to your other post though and I’ll do so in the other thread.

 

I pretty much explained it in the post. Maybe reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit.

 

The only metric that matters for a pro sports team is championship wins. That metric, in fact, is the case for any competitive money-making-pro sport.

All the stats about winning seasons and playoff contention are completely irrelevant. They matter as much as participation awards in kindergarten touch football house leagues.

Anyone using any metric other than championship wins to measure a professional HC is being dishonest, has hidden motives, is not arguing in good faith, and likely has reading comprehension issues.

Tomlin has won 1 SB, and should be compared only with other coaches that have won 1 SB. In that group of coaches, then we can get into secondary metrics to see which coach was the best of that bunch. For me, I put Tomlin and Switzer at the same level in that group of coaches.

 

That you Mike?

 

Gotta make the playoffs before you win the championship.

Pretty sure I read that somewhere once.

 

Well you’ve clearly failed to comprehend what I’ve said, so obviously you don’t read and comprehend well. I explained what I meant by hidden motives and personal biases. There are plenty of Steelers fans who just don’t like Tomlin and will spin any and everything to justify why they feel he should be fired. People bringing up the Ben years for why he should go when the team is in the second year post-Ben. If you thought Tomlin should be fired for what the team didn’t achieve in the B-era then you’re not going to judge him in the rebuild attempt fairly.

There are literally posters all over this forum who openly say Tomlin sucks and is a terrible/awful coach. That’s objectively false. There are even those who admit to wanting the team to have a losing season just so that there would be valid justification for him being fired. Discussions about the man with those kind of people cannot be had in good faith. If you claim to not see the irrational Tomlin haters then you’re lying.

Btw, many of you don’t know/understand NFL football. Thats clear by how entitled people are.