Players Still Behind Pickett

I would have done a lot of things to get that kind of "awful" in a Steeler uniform this season. It wasn't the defense that said "he cant read" btw, it was a Tampa Bay defensive coach in their playoff win. Something along the lines of "keep moving around (pre-snap) he can't read it, he's going to give us a couple".

That's funny because I had him in fantasy that season too lol I didn't see awful though. He certainly seemed like a guy that was close. Sure, he wasn't quite there yet, but he would have stretches where he was really good then would just be a tad slow or just off. They had him throwing a lot of low percentage balls too. I really liked his game for a young guy actually, and I was someone who was surprised he got drafted where he did after getting benched in college and Alabama QB's not really impressing me.

I do hope we see a year 2 to year 3 jump like we saw with Hurts out of Pickett though. It will help our offense finally be a threat, and probably will be necessary if Kenny wants to keep being employed as a starting QB.

 

I'm not a Jaylen Hurts fan. Take away those 3 world class receivers and he becomes very average.
We have 2 WR's that aren't giving 100%

If one expects Kenny to be the next Brady, one will be very disappointed.
But Kenny can be every bit as good as Ben.

I've been standing right there at ground zero, a player like Harris standing right in front of me.
So yes, I've seen and heard stuff.

Having said that, it is noted that there are very few 'secure jobs' on this offense come training camp.
QB is also among those.
The Steelers have the obligation to jettison Mitch and Mason and try to bring in guys that can help this team win.
The book is not yet written on Kenny and a good competition with someone who can push him won't hurt a bit.

I want to see a legit OC, a couple WR's that play every down, a OL that can function as a whole unit..
And better team management, be it Tomlin or the next guy.

 

I just can't buy into the torch mob mentality.
We saw last season some good indications.
It was, and I cannot stress this enough, a major blunder of epic proportions, to keep Matt Canada on board.
So can Kenny be that good, of course he can. He's done those late drives.
And Ben was knocked around in the beginning - "He can't read defenses." Good thing he had an excellent cast around around him.
As much as I liked Tomlin, not sure he could have built that.

And why is it that it seems often overlooked that our #1 and #2 WR's have mental issues?
Not many QB's will have success with that.

Sorry man, I see where you're coming from but until I see a legit OC and either those 2 get it together or 2 new ones show up... I can't really make a good call on what we have.
And the caveat being, they open camp with 1 or 2 challengers and let's rock. Winner take all.
If Kenny cannot step it up as I think he can, move on.

 

I'd just be happy if Kenny can be the Kenny we saw in the 2nd half of last season, and continue to improve from there. Clearly, he's taken a step (or two) backwards this year

 

Ben had more physical talent than Kenny

Kenny appears to be much more intelligent

Kenny appears to have at least average physical tools

There is still a potential for him to achieve his potential if given good coaching and playbook

 

And he is Steeler related

 

There's no question he has to get over the hump.
When I say "as good as Ben" I do mean good but in a different way. Ben was difficult to tackle... and had a keen ability to improvise.
Kenny is more of an agile guy.

But to temper it, if an actual OC can't make it work... well, we are on the search.

 

1. Well Jones is certainly a shell of himself. AJ Brown was essentially DJ with a couple of good first 2 seasons then a decline in production. He blossomed due to good QB play from Hurts. Smith is a good player and they used top 10 capital to get him. They certainly have a fine WR room, but those 3 dudes look a lot like DJ and Pickens if they had Pickett throwing them the ball instead of Hurts.

2. No, he can't be as good as Ben. Ben is one of the best 10-15 QB's to play, ever. If Pickett becomes anywhere near as good as Ben he will be getting himself at least one ring and likely a bust in Canton.... What a ridiculous statement.

3. Not sure what you're referencing here so IDK

4. Legit OC is a must. We need to get better coaching across the board. The WR's are showing their frustration on the field. Its unfortunate, but its really a symptom of feeling futility. Pickens wants to be really good. He has outbursts, but he wants to feel included in the offense. DJ didn't have any of these same issues when Ben was his QB for 2 seasons. They've both let the 2 years of horrific QB play get under their skin. Hard to blame them, even if I don't condone most of the behavior. If we had a QB back there who could get them the ball, you'd see guys that are much more mentally engaged. This is a very human reaction.

 

Wife saw picture and first words out her mouth, dog hair everywhere. I love dogs but alas it will never happen.

 

It's not popular...
I have some sentimental connection, I was a QB.

But in all honesty.. Canada's offense was trash. It is still trash.
And the two WR's are doing us no service.
I guess one could just burn it all down.. but I prefer to get a real OC and open that competition.
This is a year I'd like to forget.

 

Some want a QB that can overcome the OC, the line, and the recievers as well as part-time TE..........in just his 2nd year.

 

You overrate Ben.
I am a huge fan and I will rank Ben high.
I think you also underrate those Rec'rs in Philly. (and I despise Philly almost as much as Dallas)
On the other hand, we have DJ and Pickens. Let's go there.
Pickens I've said, is a talented guy. He makes those highlight real catches. Raw talent, he might be somewhere with those guys...
I think his head is somewhat broken. Or maybe DJ has some influence on him.
He is not helping his QB nor his team.

DJ, is just plain broken. He is nowhere is the same zip code as the Philly guys.
Could he be? Man, I don't know. He drops stuff and his head is full of lint.
I'd prefer to ship him somewhere he wants to be.

So, we call it "horrific QB play" which isn't really the case.
What do the good receivers do? They get in the QB's ear. "Get the ball to me" "When the DB does this, I'll be open here" stuff like that.
DJ has dropped some dime passes, Picket stepped out of bounds on great TD... etc.
The offense in its entirety sucks.

I'll let it go... I can't read anything out of that mess they call offense.
Even Defenses are telling us, it isn't good.

I just want a real OC, and either get those two in the game or get rid of them.
Draft a QB find a legit vet, and let the competition begin. That's where I am going to sit.

 

In your dreams... Ben had a good 5 times more natural talent than Kenny in pretty much everything.

 

Some do.
And some are delusional when it comes to saying anything other that burn it to the ground.
My claim is not, He's a Tom Brady.
My claim is we cannot even tell what we have.

I don't know that if we Had Brady in his prime he could make this offense go.
One thing is for sure... DJ or Pickens better not come to the huddle after one of those half-@ssed plays... lol.

 

Pickett arm is just not strong enough for him to be considered a great NFL QB.

Pickett is just an average runner (Trub is better).

What talent does Pickett have that makes anyone think he's shown he can be top 3 QB in the league in any given season?

 

You don't have to sell me something I already know.
Ben is one of my very favorites.
But Ben was a slow developer as well. I am a huge fan of his accomplishments.

I like the Draft Profile

He over came.

 

I just have a hard time believing that if we were back in 2004, and Kenny was drafted instead of Ben, and Kenny took over for Maddox in the Ravens game, that Steelers would have gone 15-0 and win the SB in 2005.

To me, Kenny hasn't showed anything at all to give me that confidence.

 

Game is coming up.
Nothing I've seen changes mind. I subscribe to a wait and see.
So, it's a dead topic to me.

I'm in Mitch's head now.

 

I would bet you do.
That's conjecture.
I don't deal in "what-ifs"
But might guess that he would certainly do better than what he has done in this trash offense.
I think "Stud" or Dud" would be much clearer.

 

Saying Kenny can be as good as Ben is a pretty big "what if".

Anyhow, I totally agree with you that Kenny will do much much much better than what he's shown so far if Tomlin/Canada were not coaching, and Colbert wasn't a total bust of a GM for so many years.

To me, the state of the current Steelers is not a player problem, it's 100% coaching/GM/owner problem.