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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by S.T.D, Dec 12, 2023.

  1. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    So from reading on game day, and through a lot of post.... this is the picture I get from a lot of You.
    Tomlin hires, fires coaches, hires, and scouts FAs, drafts all the players (obviously only the bad ones), makes up all the game plans, calls the Defense, the Offense, tells players not to tackle, and even apparently....this is My favorite....tells the Qb where to throw the ball. LoL. That really is my favorite. LoL
    Hell no wonder the real coaching stuff He's been bad at...like clock management, and time outs. The man has no time for His real job...LoL.
    In all seriousness.....I get people getting mad, and being upset, but be upset at what He actually does.....not at some made up stuff You want to think He does. I honestly think it would help some of You to actually find out what a GM, HC, and owner actually do, but I feel like some would still keep making stuff up. Kinda like the Ben is holding back Canada's offense crowd was.
     
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  2. jeh1856

    jeh1856 I am free

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    I’m surprised we never had a Tomlin post before
     
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  3. dobbler-33

    dobbler-33 Well-Known Member

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    True but his time has passed in my opinion.
     
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  4. forgotten1

    forgotten1 Well-Known Member

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    How is this possible when
    We all know he is a spectator, cheerleader, and does absolutely does nothing on the side lines during games looking like a deer in headlights.

    ADD IT UP.
     
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  5. RipTydz

    RipTydz Well-Known Member

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    I will say the biggest mistake Tomlin made was holding onto Matt Canada after the last couple years to keep "consistency" for Pickett. The writing was on the wall with how poor the offense has played the last few seasons. He made his bed and is now sleeping in it. With that said, with Pickett being hurt now, we will never know if it was Canada, Pickett, or both. So now we will ride with Pickett for at least another season with a different O coordinator for them to realize what we have or don't have in Pickett. You can't be a defensive minded head coach and have a subpar Offensive Coordinator with a rookie QB.
     
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  6. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    That's fair, and I don't dispute anyone's opinion. I just laugh when I see some of the stuff He gets blamed for. For example...when someone says he has a terrible time at challenges....I can't dispute that, but when I hear....why did he make Trubisky throw that long. I gotta laugh.
     
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  7. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    This is what I'm referring to. In all probability He not only didn't hang onto Him....he probably didn't even hire Him. What is it You think GMs do???
     
  8. RipTydz

    RipTydz Well-Known Member

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    Head coaches, especially with how long Tomlins been a head coach, has a say in his staff. That is common place unless you have a GM like Jerry Jones. If what you are saying...the GM at the time Kevin Colbert hired Canada, then when Colbert left Tomlin could have said I want to switch O coordinators. I don't believe Khan would have vetoed that.
     
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  9. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Since when do the Steelers pay a guy not to be Here. HCs don't hire, or fire coaches. They may suggest. Really this is why I wrote this post. I don't think people understand what the job of a GM is, and We even have a GM assistant. HCs that have the power most suggest are HC/GMs....like Belichick. Why on earth would We even pay a GM, and His assistant if Tomlin was doing the GMs job???
     
  10. RipTydz

    RipTydz Well-Known Member

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    Can I also add, during Tomlins press conference when talking about Canada being let go, Tomlin said it was tough. He usually is the one protecting his staff and players by taking the blame...or something along those lines. So when the play call or QB throws deep on 4 and 2, when you have the whole field, because of the down and distance you don't go for a low probability play like that. But Tomlin said he was onboard with the play call...and I find that hard to believe. Sounds like he was taking the blame to me instead of calling a spade a spade and stating that was poor play calling or action by his QB.
     
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  11. Rollers

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    Must suck to be in charge of the team winning and losing and you don't get to choose those that work with you. Horrible job
     
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  12. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. This is part of what coaches do. Take the blame. If You look at that play at the end on the 4, and 2. They had a rub play set up for a easy 1st down right past the sticks, but Trubisky didn't even look.
     
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  13. ljkjr74

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    Gee maybe that is why he wears sunglasses.
     
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  14. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    On the flip side you don’t think a coach does anything and oh yeah, my favorite, the QB is responsible for everything. Oh and WR’s have no talent, the QB makes all of them, too.
     
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  15. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Wait, now you don’t even believe coaches hire their own staff??

    Ever heard of coaching tree?

    Holy smokes, dude.
     
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  16. Ray D

    Ray D Staff Member Mod Team

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    I'm just gonna throw some gas on the fire...

    Screenshot 2023-12-13 at 01-17-00 Facebook.png

    (It's true. 2008, 2010, 2015, 2016) Meanwhile, Cowher, in 15 seasons won at least 1 playoff game in 8 of them... you know, since some people want to say their records are identical and all but always conveniently leave out playoffs.
     
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  17. groutbrook

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    A noble attempt of misdirection, but Tomlin has left his supporters with nothing to defend.
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  18. DJ18Baller

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    My god you summed up STD in ONE paragraph :lolol:

    Why even have coaches??? Just have a good QB throw to himself! And draft all cornerbacks!!!
     
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  19. DJ18Baller

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    The MT crew don’t care about playoffs just 500 ball. Let’s not forget out of our last 3 playoff wins over the last 13 years we beat:

    Matt Moore and the Dolphins (probably one of the worse playoff teams you will ever see)

    Alex Smith @KC which I’ll give MT credit was a solid road win albeit against a very limited QB.

    Cincy in the game they basically went gangster and personal fouled us to a last second FG.


    That’s what he has to show for in the last 13 years!!!

    PATHETIC
     
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  20. SteelerGlenn

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  21. Karl

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    Pretty sure Tomlin drank my last beer. You don't do that, it is not cool, at all.
     
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  22. TWISTER

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    Okay, how about you tell us what it is he actually does??? Because to me if he does none of the above things, he has no duties.
     
  23. strummerfan

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    Or looks really cool in his shades
     
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  24. strummerfan

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    What’s truly pathetic is people like yourself and your absolutely dumbfounding claims. Their are two groups of people that talk about no losing seasons. The media and people like yourself.
     
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  25. TWISTER

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    A Detailed List of an NFL Coach's Responsibility

    We see them in press conferences after games, during the combine and yelling on the sideline each Sunday, but very few of even the most intense fans know what an NFL head coach does.

    It really varies from coach to coach and from team to team. Every team has a fit they like, and every coach has a way he likes to handle things.

    Some are more hands on than others, such as Bill Parcells, who wanted to be in charge of obtaining players as well as coaching.

    But there are some very consistent and regular things an NFL coach is responsible for.

    Here's a list of those.

    Postgame analysis

    It’s a coach’s job to hit the game tape almost immediately after the game is over. Even while on airplanes taking the team back from away games, an NFL head coach is trying to figure out what worked and what didn’t.

    And most importantly how to fix what didn’t work.

    By Monday morning, he’s got his ideas; so does his staff. Gathering the staff's opinions, weighing them and applying them are a big part of his job as well.

    Which leads us to responsibility number two.

    Game planning

    Implementing whatever he (and his staff) learned from the preceding game is only part of getting ready for the next week.

    The coach will also look at the last game or two of the team's upcoming opponent.

    It's his job to use all of that information. He must work with his assistant coaches, and both his offensive and defensive coordinator to come up with a way to beat the next team.

    Again, some coaches will listen more to their subordinates, while others will do most of the heavy lifting themselves.

    This is an ongoing process for teams. Yes, they have a day to install a game plan (usually Wednesday or Thursday), but ultimately they'll tweak it right up until game time based on player injuries, how their team is executing and even things like weather.

    Practice makes perfect

    All the while, the head coach is making sure things get done on the practice field.

    Some coaches might run specific positions; some may run the entire offense or defense. Often though, a coach will try to take a wider view so he can see what his team is and isn't doing well.

    Managing the practice routine gives him a chance to see that the adjustments the team needs to make get done correctly.

    What time is it? Game time!

    When the day of the game comes, a head coach is still tweaking his game plan.

    During the game, his job is to continue making adjustments based on the success, or failure, of the plan he an his staff have put together during the week.

    He needs to keep that "bird's eye view" of the action in the sense that he needs to know what is happening with every aspect of his team.

    How is the quarterback holding up after that big hit in the first quarter? Is his middle linebacker handling that hamstring strain? Why is the star wide receiver dropping balls? How can he replace the running back who just got carted off the field?

    All of these these things and much more are under his purview. All of the information that he gathers goes into adjusting the game plan he worked on all week so that it works in the second half.

    Most of the major decisions come down to the head coach as well.

    Sure, the offensive coordinator might call the plays, but the head coach is the one who pushes for that big fourth down play or fake field goal attempt.

    It's the head coach who will be facing the press corps after the game to talk about every decision he's made.

    He also needs to be sure about how his players are holding up physically.

    Decisions like Washington head coach Mike Shanahan allowing Robert Griffin III to continue playing on a clearly hurt leg are one's that head coaches constantly have to make. We can argue whether he was right or wrong to do so, but the bottom line is that it's the head coach's call.

    Not the coordinator, not even Griffin. That falls on the head coach—he carries the weight of that decision regardless of what the aftermath looks like.

    Aside from all the weekly game day preparations, an NFL head coach has some other responsibilities.

    Depending on the coach, his involvement can be major or minor.

    Buying the groceries in free agency and the NFL draft

    Parcells had a lot of good quotes on coaching, but the above one is probably the most well-known.

    The fact is though, some coaches do not excel in player evaluation— especially when it comes to the guys they aren't coaching at the time. Parcells had a keen eye for talent but still probably had more misses than hits. Not every coach can do what he did.

    Whether a head coach is good at evaluating talent or not, he has to be involved. He at least needs to tell his general manager and owner what he needs and what he's looking for. He has to watch film on a player the team is thinking of signing or drafting.

    He has to be involved in the process. It's his job to to make that final call in conjunction with the general manager.

    Some owners and general managers will do whatever they want, of course, but that's a poor way to run a team. Any coach whose owner is imposing his will on a team too much is being set up to fail.

    And any general manager who cannot or will not work with a coach to get the guys he needs is doing his job poorly as well.

    Not every coach should be buying the groceries, but he should at least be involved in figuring out what brand of groceries are needed to make the list.

    Schemes and formations

    While the offensive and defensive coordinators are ultimately in charge of designing and implementing schemes, the head coach is the one who is ultimately providing the larger framework that they are working in.

    A defensive coordinator who loves to run a base 3-4 isn't going to be brought in by a coach who believes a 4-3 is the best way to go. An offensive coordinator who loves the ground and pound isn't getting hired by a coach who wants to use the spread or read-option.

    Some coaches have a trademark "way" of doing things, and some coaches are flexible in their approach.

    But their name is on the stationery, and they're the guys who decide the direction team is going to go in. It's the coordinator's job to implement that direction.

    Lead

    A lot of things can be put under this umbrella. Leading the team includes being a dedicated professional in meetings, praising or punishing a player and making sure the team holds together when things get rough during a game.


    The head coach needs to teach his players how to act both on and off the field. This is why we sometimes talk about teams taking on the personalities of their coaches.

    A coach who falls apart on the sideline isn't usually going to get his team to rally around him for a late comeback. A coach who lets his players walk all over him isn't going to get his team to win.

    A head coach needs to lead on and off the field—in and out of the locker room.

    It's his job.

    That includes dealing with the media. There are right and wrong ways to deal with the media, and how the team does it can be influenced by how their coach does it.

    There are lots of things that differ from team to team and coach to coach; variations on the theme, if you will.

    However, the list above hits on the major things required of an NFL head coach.

    Of course, the biggest and most important job of an NFL is simple: to win football games.

    Andrew Garda is the former NFC North Lead Writer and a current NFL analyst and video personality for Bleacher Report. He is also a member of the fantasy football staff at Footballguys and the NFL writer at CheeseheadTV.com. You can follow him at @andrew_garda on Twitter.










     
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