Curious of your thoughts

First off, so glad board is back up!!! Thought I was going to have to silence my wife

Now, it took me a long time to fall off Tomlin's bandwagon. TBH I took some pride in having all those non losing seasons. If the Steelers were 1-15 and had to lose last game to get a generational QB I'd have hard time rooting for them to lose.

As we all know Mike Tomlin never had a bla bla bla. Now say we are 8-8 going into Baltimore with nothing on the line. Would you root for a loss just so his record of non losing seasons come to an end or would you root for him to get another useless non losing season?????

I'm undecided at this point.

 

I honestly can’t see them winning another game. Most of the players on this team have simply quit and are making vacation plans for the offseason. Sad thing is I’m fine with that if they are unwilling to put in the effort. Watching other teams makes me realize that nobody is buying what Tomlin is selling anymore.

 

I’m not rooting for or hoping for a Steelers loss. That’s just asinine, and even more so just to spite Mike Tomlin.

Also the non-losing season thing is a Steelers streak dating back to 2004.
Somehow it’s become a bad thing for those that are obsessed with Mike Tomlin.

 

I've been on the fence about Tomlin for the last ten years. Now however, I think its time to part ways. He has not only lost the team but he has lost the fan's also. You can stick his NHAS up his butt, it means absolutely nothing to us fans. It might mean something to the owners as it keeps filling up the stadium and their bank accounts.
We have no QB, so we have no future. Contrast that with Carolina who probably go 1-16 this season. They will get a No. 1 franchise QB and will have a future in a couple of years.
Two QB's got their ankle injured last week. Did you see Trevor L. injury? I would of never thought that he would of played against the Browns. thats the kind of QB we need. (less the goldilocks).
Pickett (nice kid that he is) appears indecisive and is too slow reacting and running for a QB nowadays. I've been a Steeler fan for over 50 years and I have had it. Start over now. Us making the playoffs is a F'n joke.

 

I've been saying for quite a few years now that Tomlin needed to go.... I've even equated us to the Marvin Lewis lead bengals...
Far too many people are satisfied with mediocrity.... the standard used to be super bowl or bust.. now the standard is non losing season...
News flash: no postseason or postseason success is a losing season!!!!
It's past time we killed the apathy that has permeated the team and fan base and start getting back to actual winning football....
Personally, I think the majority of the coaching staff has to go, starting with Tomlin..

 

17 years is an eternity in the NFL.
The performance we saw against the Patriots was a cold slap.

I point to the 2 WR's which are supposed to be the best at their position on the team.
They are not leaders, they are ne'er do wells and Tomlin owns that.
They should be sent to the practice squad for the remainder of the season or even cut.
There are other under achievers but those two stand out the most glaringly.
Tomlin owns it.

 

Clean house. Hire an Innovative Offensive Head Coach.

The rinse and repeat stale @ss stalemate needs to go.

Trade Tomlin for a nice bounty.

 

No, never. I'd never root for them to lose even if it helps improve the draft position.

Like someone else said, I've been akin to Switzerland when it comes to Tomlin. Right now, he has the look of a man with no concrete answers. If I can see it, then so does his team.

 

Mike Tomlin's never had a losing season argument is an over blown sham.

Steelers have been in a revolving door of mediocrity for most of the past 11-12 seasons and when they did have semi-good teams they choked it away.

I get why most players like Tomlin because he's a players coach, he is a glass half full guy, and he's going the cliche's and sayings for days.

But when the scheme, assistant tree, and actually coaching is lacking.

Rooney's are often caught up in stability, but sometimes doing the same stuff over and over again becomes the definition of insanity.

We used to be a team that teams feared to play. Where teams would come to our house and field and struggle.

And like a lot of good coaches they become very exposed without great QB play.

You can't win without a decent QB and we don't have one currently.

We have lost 4 home games. 49ers ( blown out) Jaguars (3 and out fest) lost two two terrible 2-win teams in 100 hours.

All at home... we used to never lose more than 2 homes games a year at most.

No one fears us and more. Steelers are like the puppy who lost its way.

Time to re-gain our culture. But, its not just coaching its a lot of the players we employee, and I think Fitzpatrick said it best last week about what he thinks about some of the players on the team.

 

I don't care about Tomlin's streak of never having a losing season. I don't care if he maintains it or loses it. I do want to see the team win though.

 

I know MT is stale, but lets see if we can turn it around next year with a new OC. That being said, DO NOT HIRE WITHIN! Also, Do Not Let MT do the hiring.

 

It's not that the non-losing season record itself is a bad thing, it's that Tomlin can't seem to do much better than that anymore, so it doesn't feel like much of a positive. It's like celebrating mediocrity.

 

Who’s really celebrating it?
It’s an accomplishment that’s worthy of noting. Nothing more nothing less.
For some odd reason this is become a rally cry for those who are obsessed with, and can’t talk about anything other than Mike Tomlin.

 

I don't think you go that far, but Johnson should have been benched for his act against the Bengals. They should be looking to trade him in the offseason.

Pickens is a bigger problem. He is incredibly talented, but his laziness and inconsistent focus are part of the predictability of the offense. I started hearing last season that he was telegraphing whether it was a run or pass based on how he came to the line before the snap. That is just unacceptable at any level.

 

In the old day... the vets would take them out back.
I am being drastic but not unreasonable. They are serving no purpose currently and not helping in any way.

I look at a guy like Terry McLaurin, total pro and you are going to get 110% every down.
The guy hones his craft in the film room and on the practice field.
If we could find a guy like that, get rid of DJ and see if that kind of ethic wears off on Pickens, it would be a win-win.

Or two new ones would be good too.
They need to start looking into the character portion a little more of the guys they draft.

 

I am for anything that will introduce change to this organization. It just is not a fun team to watch anymore. Year after year we just have more of the same. Either Tomlin goes or he agrees to change. I am not sure if he will agree to change. Part of that change is agreeing to give up some control over the coordinator hires. It appears the culture of the organization has eroded, the fight in the team has eroded, the locker room has eroded, the personnel and their effort and attitude has eroded. The team seems ill prepared each week. We still have alot of bad contracts on this team, meaning aged veterans who are underperforming and making way too much money. I feel like their is no accountability on the coaches or players. The games and execution are sloppy. We are terrible with clock management and challenges. ALL of this reflects on Tomlin. He needs to change and either make more hires and better hires to address all of this and if he is so loyal that he is unwilling too then it is time to part ways.

 

Agreed. At least in part, that's a coaching issue. Johnson's behavior seems to have gotten worse during his time in Pittsburgh. He used to consistently run precise routes. He used to work his ass off to fix flaws in his game. Now he is too busy pouting to put in the work. Tomlin's public reaction to Johnson's behavior against the Bengals wasn't good enough. He should have responded to it more harshly rather than just saying he will have to be accountable to his teammates.

 

Actually hoping for, or even being all right with your favorite team losing based off of "ifs" and "hopes" just seems absolutely bizarre to me.
First of all, you're simply hoping that a losing season gets Tomlin to step away or gets fired. Clearly that is not a guarantee. The other part of that is hoping that the Steelers bomb the rest of the season for a better draft pick. Right, because as we all know, first round draft picks are always guaranteed to be a success.
Since everything with this team seems like a long shot, I'll just go with the hope that they somehow put it together and the time off has given Pickett a chance to really study his own game. Maybe he comes back that last game and balls out to get them in the playoffs. Maybe he comes back and sh!ts the bed or the season is already lost by then anyway.
Either way, I'll be doing the same thing I do every week and that's rooting for them to win.

 

We've had far too many issues with receivers over the years, not to mention the Le'Veon Bell fiasco. Tomlin gets credit for keeping Antonio Brown reigned in for all those years, but maybe he deserves blame for enabling Brown to turn into the headcase he became.

Something is "off" with the culture here and it starts from the top.

 

Maybe celebrating isn't the best word, but it sure gets mentioned a lot by TV announcers and Tomlin defenders.

I defended Tomlin for a long time, but for the last couple of years, it's hard to keep doing that.

 

Agreed. I read some reviews about concerns with his head... but generally
"Despite a lack of desired size, Johnson might have the ability to play inside or outside thanks to his speed and ability to elude press from his release. He has basketball athleticism, but his routes will need more focus and less freestyle once he steps up in competition. The athleticism and quickness should allow for a wide range of usage on offense but his hands might always be a concern for him. He's a little small and wasn't as fast or quick at the combine as expected, so Day 3 in the draft is his likely landing spot as a WR3/WR4 talent."

In his 5th year, he really hasn't stepped up as a #1 guy.
I personally do not get his antics. I was within a short distance from him all game Thursday. I couldn't hear the conversations but his body language sucked.
He's not helping his QB out - I noted during scrambles, he just didn't turn and comeback or try to drift with the QB to provide a target.
Mitch is not much of a QB, I admit.
He doesn't seem to ever go to the QB to discuss coverages or anything and I've only seen him pick up the Pad a few times to review a play.

I just don't see any effort. I don't know where it went south with him. He didn't have to sign the Contract. He's a cap hit of $15.8 mil next year, not really a good investment.
Maybe the $27 mil he got at signing/Guarantee went to his head.

 

People attribute it as part of the reason why he's still here. That's why it's become a focal point.

 

I can't even blame our WR,s ---this offense has no idea what's up what's down-- there's no strategy it's just a hodgepodge of

 

the one week they used pat guess what we won and did good now <where is pat >is he a ghost.

 

oh that's right we have a horrible QB now who likes throwing to the wrong colored uniforms.