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Kenny vs Mason (Raw Statistical Comparison)

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by JKLTO, Dec 4, 2023.

  1. shaner82

    shaner82 Well-Known Member

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    That I agree with fully. I don't even care who is behind him on the depth chart, I would bench him and give the next guy a shot. I don't see how it can be much worse. Besides, backups sometimes make a name for themselves, they just need an opportunity.
     
  2. burghfan58

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    I'm not sure getting hit in the pocket means poor pocket presence. There is a lot to be said about standing in the pocket to deliver the pass rather than bail out. My concern with Pickett is him bailing out of a clean pocket too often causing him to miss reads and not see open receivers.
     
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  3. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    We couldnt even give Mason away over the offseason. That says a lot!
     
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  4. Steelvision

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    that may have to do with non football matters, like the Garrett incident. For a starter it may not matter as much but for a backup, why risk locker room tension? I think it came into play
     
  5. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    I agree.. Race baiter Garrett, horrible move and a horrible look. But hey we knew beforehand he was going to use that card.
     
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  6. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    He wouldnt even be on this team if he said that. I think everyone knows Garrett made that up.

    He’s just a terrible QB.
     
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  7. Steelvision

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    truth doesn’t matter. He was accused, thats enough to cause tension in a new locker room and have some guys look sideways at him. For a terrible QB he has pretty good stats and a winning record.
     
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  8. DJ18Baller

    DJ18Baller Well-Known Member

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    Mason Rudolph is hot garbage. We have seen him get chances before, he sucks come on. That being said so does Mitch. Come to think of it Kenny is looking like he does as well but he is still young and inexperienced.
     
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  9. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Enough of that bull$hit. He lost the job because of an illegal hit.....that knocked him out cold, and was brought back too quickly. I see You failed to mention that He won his job back. The reason He is not starting is ego, and Money. Imagine Mason playing better than the FA Qb, and the 1st round Qb...that they thought would be better than Mason. Hell half the people on the board can't admit when they are wrong.....You think it would be easier for the Owners, coaches, and GMs to say....dang...our best Qb was already on the team....we made a mistake??? I'm not saying Mason is the long term answer.....I'm saying from all the games I've watched Him play here, Trubisky here, and KFP here.....I would take Mason over Trubisky 10 out of 10 times.
     
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  10. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    More people afraid of being wrong. Tell Me what do they have to lose??? You Keep spouting nobody wanted Him....yet You don't have a clue. Has it ever crossed Your mind that not everyone thinks the grass is greener elsewhere??? He has a job. If He did have one I could see Your point.
    Evey last one of you that says He was benched for Duck...fail to say why, and fail to say He won His job back. I guess people forgot Bradshaw was benched for another Qb also.
     
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  11. Steelvision

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    We’re not asking him to be a franchise QB. As a backup he’s fine. Better than Mitch imo. That being said Mitch has a chance, again, to show he’s a good backup himself, he’s the one who’s been hot garbage so far
     
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  12. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Don't talk sense. Half the people talking about how bad Mason is are the same people that stuck up for Canada over Ben....because they just knew it was Ben holding Canada back. How many did You hear say they were wrong.....No .....they just automatically acted like they always hated Canada. LoL. Same with Trubisky...they just knew He would be better away from Chicago....LoL.
     
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  13. JKLTO

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    Preach it! Dang, that's everything I've been thinking to say for awhile but haven't been able to phrase it. There are QB controversies, and then there are "Our 2017 3rd Round QB is better than our 2022 1st Round Pick and Chicago's 2nd Overall Draft Pick who we signed to a multi-million dollar contract" controversies. Mason Rudolph exposes the rot in this organization. To admit now that they already had a good enough stop gap QB who could run the ship for a few seasons until we Draft the franchise QB is just not in the cards and they'll stubbornly avoid it unless they have absolutely no other choice.

    I'm convinced at this point that even if Trubisky gets injured and Mason finally gets another opportunity, that he could play lights out and win the next 2 or 3 games and still be benched once Kenny's ankle is healed. I get that they probably want to put all their stock into the QB they just spent a 1st Round Pick on and look at him as a young guy who can be developed, but Kenny isn't even that much younger than Mason - 2.5 half years isn't a whole lot younger - and if this organization really put business first, they'd play the guy who is the best for that position, regardless. I just don't see it happening.

    I do also wonder if he's STILL getting lowkey punished for the racial slur accusation and that Tomlin is hesitant to play him because of it. It might not even he a conscious thing, but something subliminal. If so, that's a shame. From Ben ignoring him and refusing to mentor him, to paying millions for people who have done objectively worse than he has, the Steelers organization has treated Mason poorly the entire time he's been here.

    As for other people's assertions that Mason didn't get any offers- we don't always know the business dealings that go on. Perhaps Mason saw the money and saw it as one last chance to get something on tape - even if it's a longshot, he at least knows the playbook and may feel comfortable with the Steelers, despite being treated like sh!t. Why? Who knows. It happens - just ask every other abused housewife.
     
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  14. pczach

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    I have no problem with them playing Rudolph if that's who they chose as the #2. Tomlin likes Trubisky as the #2 so that's who we get.

    I think all three of these quarterbacks can play a little bit. It doesn't really make a lot of sense to bash any of them. Let's see what they can do when given the chance. If Trubisky isn't playing well, let Rudolph get a chance to see what he can do with his different style of play.
     
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  15. S.T.D

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    I agree with everything...My only caveat is....I don't think it was done on purpose. I believe they knew what they had in Mason, and just thought they could get better, and it didn't work that way. Now they spent money on a FA Qb, and a 1st round Qb that isn't better than what they already had, but not for a lack of trying. Now it not only takes a Owner, a GM(previous), and a coach to admit that they failed at it, and as we have seen ....it's hard for them.
    In no way am I saying Mason is the future. Just better right now than what we have going on.
     
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  16. Blast Furnace

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    Wrong, you’re still a spouting your bs about this. Scribe has dismantled your argument on this 6 ways to Sunday but you’re still spewing this nonsense. He lost his job to Duck, he got it back because Duck sucked worse than he did but that doesn't change what fact he was benched for him.

    What are you afraid of being wrong? I’m sure it bothers you no one wanted the scrub because it blows your argument to hell but facts are facts. You can do all the mental gymnastics you want to come up for an alternate reason for why no team signed him if it makes you feel better but no one wanted him and he had to crawl back the Steelers. A team he was very unhappy with. I give you a 10 on your gymnastic routine, though.
     
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  17. Blast Furnace

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    Players would know the score what happened there, it’s a fraternity. Which means he didn’t say it or he wouldn’t even be on the Steelers.

    There is more to football than stats otherwise he could be starting with those numbers. Even Dobbs has a starting gig.
     
  18. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Yes You and Scribble can unite. LoL. Again. He won He's job back. One Question, and don't take it wrong. Have You ever admitted one time on here of being wrong. I mean I said He won back His spot back, and instead of saying....wow that's right He did....You made it seem like He just magically jumped ahead of Him. You always....always....always....talk about Me just worrying about being right, but anyone that has been on Here knows I have admitted to being wrong....with Green at center, with M. Jones being a good Qb, with wrongly reading a post ,and saying something, and having to go back, and say I was wrong....I'm sorry, and other things, but You.....I haven't heard it uttered from You for anything. Hell You are still trying to tell people about M . Willis, and You didn't get it wrong....it will just take 10, or 15 years before He is ready. LoL
     
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  19. burghfan58

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    I actually think the draft supposedly being QB rich this year had to do with it. I think those in need of a QB were really looking at the draft and weren't looking for an interim QB the way we pulled Trubisky in last year.
     
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  20. LoneHorseman

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    Yeah, he won his job back, but sh#@t the bed the last couple of games, when the team needed just one win to get into the playoffs, the last game against a brutal jets team. I'm not picking on Mason, in fact, I wished Ben would've retired a season or two sooner to see what we had with Mason. But those clutch games told me a lot about Mason, and he didn't get it done. Plus he was learning being a Hall of QB, something KP wasn't afforded. But good grief, the vitriol against Pickett is nuts, I'll be rooting for whoever is the QB the rest of the season because team always comes before personal grievances. And nothing would make me happier if either Mitch or Mason steps up and helps this team to make the playoffs and makes it a harder decision on who starts if and when Kenny comes back.
     
  21. Steelvision

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    not on another team they wouldn’t. Not some of them. Unless Garret comes clean there will always be some doubt in some players minds. This will always be attached to MR. Really unfortunate and dirty of garret. The players organization, someone, should make him come clean.


    yup, there is more to football than stats alright, there are wins, and MR’s got those too.
     
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  22. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    Its kinda funny we are arguing about who is the better of 3 inept qbs the Steelers got. Lets just agree they all suck and right now, none of them would be a starter for any other team in the league right now!
    With that said Lets Go Steelers!
     
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  23. ljkjr74

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    I’m for Mason over the other 2 all the way. But we have a head coach that wears sunglasses all time including when it’s raining he probably doesn’t even know who Mason is.
     
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  24. Steelpens65

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    But , we have seen Mitch stink it up, maybe it is time to see if Mason can do better. If not lets pull someone out of Sec B row 2 seat 4 and give them a chance to be our franchise quarterback.
     
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  25. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    All in all, this team is in bad sorts right now.
     
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