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Off-season conundrum

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by blackandgoldpatrol, Nov 20, 2023.

  1. SteelReal

    SteelReal Well-Known Member

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    What does playing a different sport have to do with anything? Just give it up. You're a joke. You'll try and save face just to look stupid. You mean a professional basketball player of all people isn't worthy of comparison who actually suffered a worse injury then either Rodgers or Cousins? Kobe averaged over 22 points when he got back and 17 his final season. It doesnt matter if he got back to his previous form, the point is he was still highly affective even after the injury. I don't know of any athlete injury free, or not, that plays as good in the twilight of their career as they did their prime years so theres no way to say if his injury had any effect at all on his play for sure. He was in year 19 and 20. I think I'll give him a pass from coming back from a ruptured achilles tendon. You can downplay all the examples Ive provided whether they played football or not, whether they had the same injury or not.

    Peyton Manning, Tiger Woods, Odell Beckham Jr., Victor Cruz, Tom Brady, and Paul George, and Kobe Bryant take your pick. At the end of the day you cant take away from any one of their testimonies. We can pick up this conversation a year from now (if we live to see it) and we'll see where Cousins and Rodgers are both at. I'm tired of going back and forth with your whiny know it all azz when time itself will surely vindicate one of us. Have a good rest of your day.
     
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  2. Formerscribe

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    Most of this makes sense, though if they address the tackle position early again, it could be a guy on the right side so Jones can move back to his natural spot on the left. They definitely need a center. Cole has been a big problem, especially in pass protection. I think his struggles have been a part of Pickett not stepping up in the pocket. His poor snaps haven't helped, either.

    Austin isn't going anywhere. The defense has been keeping them in games despite a devastating run of injuries.
     
  3. Formerscribe

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    Different sports put different demands on an athlete's body, but by all means, bring Bryant into the discussion. Of course, it matters that was a diminished player when he returned. He also never played a full season again, so he actually supports my side of the argument, not yours. Thank you for that. You really have done a poor job of this.

    Tom Brady had a completely different injury and he was four years younger than Cousins is now. Manning's injury is an even worse comparison.

    You've got nothing. You made a terrible argument and did a horrible job of supporting it. Your examples are either too different to be relevant or they support my side better than yours. You claimed you could go for days, but it only took one more post to send you limping away in defeat.
     
  4. SteelReal

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    Kobe hadn't played a full season since 2010-2011 goofball. Thats two years before his injury even took place. You would think you would have done a lil bit of research before you decide to spit garbage out of that tiny brain of yours. Google is your friend bruh. So actually it doesn't help your argument at all you remedial dimwit. I already mentioned all the injuries weren't the same for all the athletes, but that they all came back from each of them and continued to be highly productive in the positions they played. Here you are repeating what I done said three times already like you coming with breaking news. I told you the alzheimers was kicking in. You better go get checked out and stop spending all your time online being made a fool out of. Somehow you think by repeating the same thing over again it makes you right...or maybe you're just trying to convince yourself you're right. This may also be further proof your alzheimers is advancing aggressively.
     
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  5. Formerscribe

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    Bryant played 78 games the season before his injury. He missed most of the 2014-15 season, then played in 66 games his final season. In addition to his decline in play, he was on the floor less. I'm sorry facts are such a challenge for you.

    I'm the one who has been telling you injuries aren't the same for all athletes. I wrote that when you insisted that the fast recovery for Rodgers was evidence that there is no reason for concern about Cousins. Of course, you backed away from that one because Rodgers isn't actually back yet.

    No, not all of the athletes you mentioned continued to be highly productive and most of them declined after their return. Cam Akers continued to break down after his injury, yet somehow you thought he was a good example for your argument.

    I knew you didn't have the discipline or the good sense to slink away when you said you would. More pathetic insults and gaslighting don't change that you lost this argument a long time ago.
     
  6. SteelReal

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    After 19-20 years in the league you're questioning why he's on the floor less??? Tell me you're oblivious without telling me you're oblivious. I won't even go into the plethora of injuries Kobe dealt with besides the achilles injury, but if you had done your research you would know that. By the way stop acting like you know Kobe like that. You're not even a Lakers fan which I am you lame. I watched his entire career from day 1. U might have watched him occasionally when the playoffs came around. It's like somebody coming to you and saying this and that about Tony Holm. Nobody knows Tony Holm like you do. Nobody's been around that long.

    It doesn't surprise me that you go to such lengths to misrepresent what people say. I never said once that were was no reason to be concerned for Cousins injury because of Rodgers and you can't point out one time that I did. I only pointed out that Rodgers progress was encouraging for Cousins and anyone who might want to take a chance on him, because they are similar injuries. Sorry, you fail again with reading and comprehension. Injuries being different for different people is irrelevant for the point im trying to make. No one needed your insight on that. It's irrelevant to me because at the end of the day I'm just proving the fact that people come back from major injuries regardless of who they are and what they do and can be highly productive afterwards.

    Cam Akers was a good example seeing as how fast he came back. There's nothing to suggest that his achilles had anything to do with any suggested decline in play.

    In 2022 the season following his injury he played 15 games had 188 carries, avg 4.2 yds a rush, had 7 rush Tds and just under 900 all purpose yards. I would say he fully recoved from that achilles injury. Not only that but it was his best season so far. He literally came back better than ever. How you can attribute any decline in play to the same achilles injury is beyond me. There's only been one other season after that and that's because he suffered an achilles tendon injury to his other leg this year. This just goes to show you're a know it all certified dumbass who couldn't even take 5 seconds to do a simple Google search, because of course you know it all. As I said before you would rather save face and look stupid and ignorant rather than just admit the truth. At this point you're less then credible with anything you post on this topic. I won't even go into how misinformed and untrue your comment was that most of the athletes I mentioned declined after their return. Which athletes specifically?? Are you saying their decline (as you say) was directly linked to their injuries...or was it other unrelated injuries, or age?

    As for your last point: Just when I thought I was out....

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  7. Formerscribe

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    I'm not surprised that I was able to manipulate you so easily. The steady stream of childish insults in your posts makes it clear that you are being guided by your temper, not logic.

    You tried to use Bryant as an encouraging example of a player returning from a ruptured Achilles tendon. He did not return quickly, never got back to his previous form and never again played more than 66 games. That demonstrates exactly what should be the concern with a 36-year-old athlete coming off a major injury, but you don't even realize you are helping my argument, not yours, by bringing him up. I don't need to be a Lakers fan to know that.

    Akers is a good example of a player whose career is being ruined by injuries. It is a reminder that the first major injury often is not the last. It is really funny that you don't understand how an injury to one foot can put the other at risk. That is why the first major injury likely contributed to the second one for Akers. (I know a lot more about foot injuries than you do. Then again, I seem to know a lot more than you do about a great many things.)

    I guess you think Dustin May's return from TJ surgery was a success, too. (Look it up.)

    I didn't misrepresent your point about Rodgers at all. That is just you telling another lie to cover your failure. Why would I when all I had to do was show the massive flaws in your reasoning? The comparison was always silly because it assumes the injuries are the same and the treatments are the same. You don't know either of those things to be true. That information has not been made public. It is also silly because reports of progress don't mean a damn thing until Rodgers actually returns to game action.

    I gave you specifics regarding the athletes who declined. Akers can't stay healthy. Bryant declined. You mentioned Roethlisberger at one point. He never fully recovered after 2019. Those are just a few examples. Gambling on athletes coming off major injuries carries risk. When that athlete is going to be 36 years old by the time they return, that risk greatly increases. You don't seem to understand this. I do find it entertaining to see you question the intelligence of others while demonstrating your own deficiencies in that area.
     
  8. SteelReal

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    This is the crux of a stupid person making a stupid statement

    "You tried to use Bryant as an encouraging example of a player returning from a ruptured Achilles tendon. He did not return quickly, never got back to his previous form and never again played more than 66 games...Bryant declined"

    This is reminder to me that some people post things and you have to ask yourself "do you think they thought twice before they posted it?" because if they had they would never have posted it. It's one thing to totally disregard everything that had been said up to this point on the subject at hand. It's another to be willfully ignorant and ignore all God given sense.

    I'm not going to even bother to address the rest because I recognize traits of what psychologists describe as an narcissistic personality disorder and there's typically no use in going back and forth with someone who is a reprobate. You'll go to your grave before you admit you could be wrong about something even if the truth is staring you right in the face.

    Quoting a recent movie line "Theory will only take you so far" I realized some time back I've really said all I need to say. We've made our cases on both sides. This conversation is by far not over with but you can't argue with stupid and there comes a time when talking needs to be replaced with action. We're just going back and forth in circles. As I said previously, assuming we're both alive to see or tell about it Cousins (regardless of who he ends up with) and Rodgers both will vindicate one or the other of us. Its just a wait and see game now.


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  9. Formerscribe

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    Translation: You can't address any of the points adequately, so you make an excuse to run away from them. I'm truly sorry you can't just acknowledge your failures and move on. It must be so difficult for you. You actually quoted part of my argument about Bryant, but offered no response. By all means, slink away in defeat. It is what you should have done a long time ago.

    Nothing can vindicate your argument. It really is that bad. Arguments ad hominem are not an adequate response for facts and logic.
     
  10. SteelReal

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    Time to make predictions then and we'll revisit each when the time comes if it so happens we're on the same board

    What's your predictions on what will happen with Cousins and Rodgers next season and going forward?? That includes Cousins contract with whatever teams he signs with??

    If you want to.give stat projections I'm fine with that I'll do the same.

    This is the part of the game where you stand on what you say.

    P.S. you seriously remind me of this IG account called Misterbubz. The focus of the account is a chihuahua with a bad attitude. That dog and the captions behind it are 100% your spirit child.
     
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  11. Steel_Elvis

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    @SteelReal@SteelReal and @Formerscribe@Formerscribe please stop dragging all of us along with your nonsensical bickering. If you really want to keep one upping each other, I suggest doing it via PM.
     
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  12. Formerscribe

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    I have no prediction regarding Cousins. That's the point. His situation is too unpredictable to be worth the money he will expect. Rodgers is irrelevant to the Steelers' situation. He's not available.

    Regarding the rest of your nonsense, I will respect Steel Elvis's comment, roll my eyes, and move on.
     

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