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Off-season conundrum

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by blackandgoldpatrol, Nov 20, 2023.

  1. SteelReal

    SteelReal Well-Known Member

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    They are identical, wtf? Is it that important for you to be right that you completely ignored what you just read??
     
  2. SteelReal

    SteelReal Well-Known Member

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    I left 2018 for the exact reason that I said. It never crossed my mind. It doesn't hurt or help my argument because it's irrelevant. Are you a friggin mind reader you know how to read my mind now? You like to troll hard don't you?

    You need to worry about whats going on in your own head thinking you're the smartest person in the room all the time. You say it's impossible to come back 100% from a major injury, and then your very next sentence is " it is likely, but not that likely"? Well make your mind up old man...is getting back to 100% impossible, or is it likely?? If its impossible what's that statement based upon? Or are you a doctor all of a sudden?? You're certainly not a believer in JC talking like that. Maybe you just need to go back to sleep. By the way you may want to read up on athletes like Peyton Manning, Tiger Woods, Odell Beckham Jr., Victor Cruz, Tom Brady, and Paul George, and Kobe Bryant. Even if you don't think those athletes recovered 100% after their major injuries they all proved they could still be highly affective even after having one...most of those guys several years beyond their prime.

    Cousins can agree to such a deal because he has already made his money. Hes made 231 million dollars over his career to this point. If he believes in himself like I think he does he can relieve the organization of any concerns they have concerning his health and make his money at the same time because he stands to lose nothing by doing so. He's not a rookie rb going into his first big contract year.

    There is nothing to suggest he needs to up the ante to get the team to agree to such a deal if he believes he has recovered a 100%. I know you don't believe in fair negotiations, but there is a such a thing. This is not going to turn into a Albert Belle deal with the Indians. Believe me, I get the concern. Not every thing is doggy dog. Cousins objective would be to show this is not a shakedown, because as we know it does happen on both sides. Have more faith in humanity. If the organization believes its a shakedown then they just move on. That simple. Ultimately it comes down to what his motivation is at this point in his career. I'm just counting on Cousins looking more for a ring then money at this point and believing he can get both with the Steelers. Does he believe the Steelers are in a better position, the Vikings, or another contender? Does he want to learn a new offense or try to stick with the Vikings if his backups haven't taken over the position?
     
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  3. Formerscribe

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    Nah. I just understand the situation better than you do.
     
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  4. SteelReal

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    Nah, you really don't. Show me your doctorate and I may believe you otherwise your knowledge is about as vast as any other quack.
     
  5. Formerscribe

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    I'm sorry that the only arrow in your metaphorical, rhetorical quiver being the argument ad hominem.

    I'm sorry you don't understand that it is inaccurate to say the likelihood of recovering from a major injury are never 100 percent.

    I'm sorry that you can't keep up with what others are posting and somehow think that is their fault.

    I'm sorry you think Cousins is suddenly going to stop caring about making money because he already made a lot.

    I'm sorry that you have no clue how contract negotiations work.
     
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  6. Formerscribe

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    You think two Achilles tears are exactly alike even though neither of us has that sort of detailed information available to us, so yeah, I absolutely do.
     
  7. SteelReal

    SteelReal Well-Known Member

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    That's means my statement is just as correct as yours is. End of that discussion.
     
  8. SteelReal

    SteelReal Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry you're delusional and like to make up stuff that has nothing to do with the discussion.

    I'm also sorry that your reading and comprehension skills would suggest that I implied Cousins doesn't care about making his money. You can't point out one place where I said that.

    I'm also sorry you have a narcissistic personality disorder where you can't admit you're wrong even if it's staring you in the face.

    I forgot you use to be a sports agent. What company did you work for again??and who were some of your clients?

    I also forgot you used to be a doctor? Mind telling me where you got your PhD from again?
     
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  9. S.T.D

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    We've had quite a few Pros from My HS, and neighboring HSs...I've said a few times an old friend of Mine has won 2 SBs. Been some Bust from the same HSs also though, and a few flame outs...also. LoL
     
  10. Steel_Elvis

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    Setting aside the opinions of all of our “Holiday Inn Express” orthopedic surgeons on the board, if Kirk Cousins passes a physical from OUR specialist(s) and if we don’t see a solid reversal of KP’s play the rest of the season, I would support going all-in on Cousins. I’ll admit that I haven’t yet looked at the 2024 - 2026 cap numbers, but I’m sure something could be done unless his market value ends up being in the stratosphere of the young, up and coming QB stars (it shouldn’t be for a guy his age). With Watt, Minkah and Heyward leading the way we are built to win now if the offense can generate points. We’re not perfect, but there are no perfect teams out there.
     
  11. steel machine

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    WE NEED A FRIGGING CENTER!!!! So overlooked by most NFL fans but so damn important to the entire offensive.
     
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  12. steel machine

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    Must admit I do not follow NCAA but I hope we get the guy for one reason, his name;) Let's face it, a QB should not sound like pick-it. How many times have we yelled at our D to pick it off? Come on man, that is a great name for a QB. Many moons ago there was a Raider QB nicknamed, "The Snake" so even though it is the obvious nickname we'd use for him we'd have to get a better nickname.

    I can hear the talking heads now, TD Steelers, you can't rattle the Rattler.
     
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  13. steelersrule6

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    I can't see that happening Cousins is in his mid-thirties coming off a serious injury, and he would probably cost 30 million or more.
     
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  14. SteelReal

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    Kirk Cousins is making 33 this year, he's not going to make bigger contracts as he gets older...injury or no injury. You guys might as well face it that a above average QB in this league is making no less than 25 million...so the contract would be for 25-29 million which is highly reasonable and worth it when you consider what the Steelers have currently in their QB stable.
     
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  15. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    Daniel Jones has 40 millions per year...No way Cousins will accept less.He had also a great season before his injury
     
  16. Michael E

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    Yes, and get rid of both Trubisky and Rudolph. They're comfort signings, but they can't push anyone to get better. Bring in someone desperate for a shot at starting that has some passing/vision talent.
     
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  17. jeh1856

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    Rudolph at vet minimum is fine for running the scout team

    Someone has to do it may as well be him

    But competition for the starting job definitely
     
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  18. SteelReal

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    He'll accept less because he's in the twilight of his career (a few years beyond his prime at least) and he's coming off a significant injury. Like I said i'm counting on Cousins motivation being just as much about winning rings as making money (which he has already made a ton...over a quarter billion) at this point which hes never come close to. You must don't realize how much less Brady was taking then QBs he was clearly better than even at his age? I know people are going to bring up the fact his former model wife was supplementing what he missed out on, but that didn't apply to his time in Tampa. I think he made $25 million his first two years, then $15 the final year in Tampa.
     
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  19. Steelpens65

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    Kenny The Snake Stabler, oh how i hated the Raiders and there fat coach back than. I became a fan of Madden when he started broadcasting. Do you know this fun fact? He never flew in a plane, drove in a camper everywhere.
     
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  20. Formerscribe

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    The guy trying to make a psychological diagnosis through a message board wants to make sarcastic comments about the qualifications of others to state an opinion. That is funny. Why is it you struggle to get through a post without an argument ad hominem?

    You argued that Cousins would accept a lesser deal because he already made his money, which implies less concern about making money. I'm sorry you can't even keep track of your own arguments, much less understand those of other posters. I don't need to be a sports agent to see that you don't understand how negotiations work. Also, did you actually write doggy dog when you meant dog-eat-dog? LOL

    You are the one making medical conclusions, arguing that Rodgers' supposed quick return (which hasn't happened yet) means that we shouldn't be concerned about Cousins' health for next season. My entire argument is based on what we don't know. We don't know the details of the two players' injuries. We don't know the surgical and other treatments they are undergoing. We don't know about similarities and differences in their process, but you are assuming it will all go the same way. I don't need a doctorate to see that are just pulling this nonsense from the wrong end of your anatomy.
     
  21. BigBensBigBong

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    Agree with your assessment of our overall situation. However, no way is management going to replace Kenny after this season is over unless somehow a proven veteran is picked up in free agency and that seems impossible. I just don`t see them giving up on Kenny that quickly.

    Doubt Austin is replaced. If we have a good O-line and Kenny fails us anyway in 2024, at least we will be set up for the next starter in 2025. First priority is to somehow have better than average O-line.

    I`m hoping first pick in the draft is OL. Second pick best available at position of need on defense.
     
  22. Formerscribe

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    Assuming is doing a great deal of heavy lifting here. It's funny that you can write nonsense like this, yet deny that you implied that Cousins doesn't care about making his money.
     
  23. Formerscribe

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    I also don't think Austin is going to be replaced. The defense is keeping the Steelers in games even though they had problems at cornerback from day one and suffered a series of devastating injuries. They lost Heyward for most of the first half of the season and he is just now starting to return to form. Fitzpatrick is about to miss his fourth game. Holcomb and Alexander are done for the season. Juggling all those moving parts has made the defensive coordinator's job incredibly difficult.
     
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  24. Steelrules

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    Even if Cousins was available for cheap I wouldn’t support it. Do we want to rip the band-aid off and go into full rebuilding mode or do we want to do well enough to just be at the edge of the playoffs or make the playoffs but have no realistic path for advancing? 2019 was the perfect year to achieve this with Ben suffering the injury. Imagine if we had the chance to draft Burrows, Tua, Hebert or Hurts. Minka is special, but one of those QB could have been the foundation for years to come.
     
  25. steelersrule6

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    It's a moot point because the Steelers aren't going to go spend that kind of money on a free agent QB, Pickett will get the chance to prove himself in 2024 with a new OC.
     
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