Off-season conundrum

Yeah, you're definitely going to get blasted with this one. When i think Sam Darnold, i think Andy Dalton. A poor man's version of him. Anytime you use bust and somebody's name in the same sentence has that person that has been regarded as a bust ever made an eventual impact in the league? I can't think of anyone no matter the position. Next years free agent market is looking pretty poor with the exception of Cousins. If you can't bring him in you might as well draft if Pickett doesn't show a complete consistent 180 by seasons end.

 

Because the Jets wouldn't have signed Rodgers if he was in his current condition at the time of the trade. The whole point is that he probably isn't going to play football for a full year, he is one year older, and his skills have been eroding. After the injury, we have no idea what he will be like from a physical standpoint.

The difference is that any team has a choice to sign an injured, aging quarterback to a contract. The other has no choice but to keep the injured quarterback already on the roster and under contract because they spent a fortune in draft picks and money to get him the year before. One is doing it willfully. The other one has a gun to their head and doesn't have a choice. The Jets have to keep him whether he is capable or not.

Another team looking at Cousins probably isn't going to bring him in at his age to lead a young team into the future. He would be more of a one-year, go for it type of signing. I don't want him. It's another case of an injured QB that is going to miss a season of football and be a year older when he returns. Again, we have no idea if his skills fell off a cliff in that year, or if his injury won't affect his throwing motion, footwork, and arm strength and accuracy because of that.

You can't think a quarterback is going to be effective enough to lead a team to a super bowl. You are going to want to know what a quarterback is capable of, otherwise it is a crapshoot. I don't want to guess on the health and physical skills of the most important position on the field and pay all that money. I would want to know what I am getting. You literally have no idea what the impact of the major injury will have combined with the time away from the game and the ongoing, losing battle to Father Time.

 

Wow! Didn't hear that.

When there aren't a lot of choices, teams do what they have to do.

 

Well Jim Plunkett did OK when given a chance by the Raiders, Tommy Maddox did not have THAT success, but did decent when he came to the Steelers. More recently a guy who was not drafted in the first, but was labeled a bust is Geno Smith. Darnold may well be just that, but as you say the choices are small, the right price, a year under the 49's system, still young, I would not be afraid to try him out, might just be a total bust, then again maturity and the chance in a right system and coaching he may pan out better than we thought. No I'm not giving the guy a huge guarantee, but look at what we have, if the other things are repaired then you just may have a guy who can manage the system. Not adverse to Cousins, but it's still chancy either way you look at it.

 

And Ramon Foster too IIRC.

 

Aaron Rodgers says he will be practicing in 2 weeks. I'm not certain if more may be made of injuries now that these guys had problems coming back from years ago. At the end of the day it comes down to the desire of the individual.

 

Players get better.....Maddox, and Geno both did it for a long time before they both got better, and still never were great. Whereas Darnold hasn't. In four more Years if they want to look at Darnold.....I ok with it(hopefully we've found someone good by then), but right now. No.
I really didn't understand the draft pick for Him in the 1st place. If You are a turnover machine in one of the best biggest teams in your conference in college.....what the hell did they think He would be in the NFL????....., and people say GMs know more than anyone else about football. LoL

 

It's simple, first things first.
We get the best QB
and we get the best defensive coordinator.

That is where we start in the rebuild. Belichick Brady. LeBeau Ben, etc. We have to square that away first.

 

Well that was easy

I’m surprised no one thought of doing that

 

Andy Reid went out and got himself Spagnuolo, the best he could find on the market at the time, with the best resume. He did not have to, he is Andy Reid, but he did because he is serious about winning. Bills got Frazier. They did not have to, but they went after the best DC they could find.
It is easy, Rooney and Tomlin need to do the same, go get the best DC with the best resume.

And yes they can draft a QB, they can move up. Trade, do whatever it takes. Get the QB. Do whatever it takes, because you have to start a rebuild.

 

You are having some difficulty getting through a discussion without relying on childish name-calling today. You might want to work on that. In addition to being something the mods don't tolerate very well, it makes it look like your arguments can't stand on their own merits.

Now, in addition to your reliance on ad hominem attacks, you want to pick and choose parts of the resume to try to prop up a weak argument. I see you are choosing three years as a cut-off for Roethlisberger in an attempt to remove his 2018 season from the discussion. He barely played in 2019, so notice what happened between 2018 and his final two seasons. He suffered a major injury. Sure, the elbow is going to more directly affect a throw, but feet are a person's base. Lower leg injuries can destroy a quarterback's ability to step into a throw. It can take away their mobility. See Joe Burrow with just a calf strain at the start of this season.

Either you still don't understand why I brought age into the discussion despite me explaining it to you more than once or you are intentionally misrepresenting my argument. If it is the latter, I can't do much but point out the truth. In case it is the former, I will explain it to you one more time. I wasn't talking about their decline in performance, which can be different in different athletes. Brady was an anomaly, but even Rodgers had retained their high level of performance better than most, but not everyone can do that. I brought up age regarding recovery from injury. I'm sure your next response will be to point to the quick recovery by Rodgers, but that assumes the injuries were identical. That is something we don't know. Also, we haven't seen the extent of his recovery. Sure, he is moving around a little and throwing the ball, but we haven't seen how Rodgers will play when he is back in a game.

 

He's talking about Tim Boyle, who sucked for three years at UCONN, but was a little better as a redshirt senior at Eastern Kentucky. He wasn't good, but not quite as putrid as he had been before that.

He got the third-string job with the Jets because Aaron Rodgers likes him. Boyle started his career with the Packers. Remember, the Jets were bringing in as many guys Rodgers likes as possible to get him to agree to the trade. That is why they hired Nathaniel Hackett as offensive coordinator and why the signed Cobb even though he is thoroughly washed up.

 

I congratulate him....however it turns out. Doing what He loves, and making some money doing it.

 

He had a tear in his Achilles, not a full rupture. He and the Jets have kept things vague, but you are lumping together injuries that don't seem to be identical.

 

Uhhhhmmmm
Didn't the Bills ask Frazier to step down after last year???

 

The injury likely brings his price down, but he still won't come cheaply as a free agent and the injury also makes him a big risk.

 

That's Your HS??? Hell best not say. LoL

 

I really wasn't...but thanks anyway.

Achilles tendon tear

EAGAN, Minn. — Kirk Cousins underwent an MRI Monday morning at Twin Cities Orthopedics that confirmed an Achilles tendon tear.Nov 1, 2023



https://www.vikings.com/news/kirk-c...AGAN, Minn.,confirmed an Achilles tendon tear.

 

I didnt attempt to remove anything. Why would I remove 2018? I wasn't even thinking about 2018. It's not helping or hurting my argument so i didnt feel it relevant. Missing a year had less affect on Rothlisberger then the arm elbow tear itself. That's proven in the fact they started off 11-0 in 2020. That elbow injury was present before the 2019 season started i dont care what anybody says. He never fully recovered from that injury, but the fact he was a statue in the pocket and was finding it harder to shake off defenders was obvious too. A lot of us were advocating for a more mobil QB regardless of what we knew of the injury, because we saw a aging offensive line that needed to be replaced also.

If you're saying the arm elbow tear with Ben could end up being the equivalent of the achilles tear with Rodgers and Cousins then I understand and i dont think i debated that, but I dont think the time off is going to affect either QB at all. It does remain to be seen if they can play to their full strength again, but I already said you can make stipulations in the contract that protect the team with Cousins. You could guarantee one year and put team options in for a second year. You can make it highly incentive based also where if he lived up to expectations both sides win.

Like I said they're not paying anyone on offense right now. If they were going to do it they need to do it now while they got 2 years left before paying some potential stars. Trubisky, Rudolph should be off the books. Draft another QB and have him sit behind Cousins with Pickett for a couple of years. This is all predicated of course upon whether Pickett does a complete 180 b4 season end which if he does this whole discussion is for nought.

If Kenny does continue to play poorly and the Steelers say they're going to draft only and not consider the free agent market im fine with that also, but Cousins takes the guessing game out of it for me assuming there's a 100% chance of recovery which I don't get the impression it isn't.

 

That still doesn’t confirm your false assumption that the injuries are identical.

 

You did exactly what I wrote. You left 2018 out because it didn't help your argument. Thank you for confirming that.

Recovery from a major injury is never 100 percent, especially for an older player. It is likely, but not that likely.

If Cousins is such a sure thing, why would he agree to a highly incentive-based contract? Why would he agree to stipulations that protect the team? Any team that signs him would have to pay him even more to get him to agree to such items in his contract, and Cousins hasn't shown any tendency toward folding in previous contract negotiations.

I never argued when Roethlisberger hurt his elbow. I think it happened in the opener, but either way, 2018 was the last time he played healthy.