Kenny is not great. But Canada is horrible

You are pursing a dumb argument given that Steelers didn't have to draft a useless QB at all that draft. Why are you insistent that they ****HAD*** to draft a loser that year? Sticking with Trubisky would have been the intelligent thing to do, but intelligence is lacking in the org.

Having said that, any of those other losers could be better than Pickett with the Steelers given just how garbage Pickett is. What makes you think Steelers would be worst off with *any* of those compared to having Pickett? Prove it.

 

I agree that Kenny is better than Duck and Rudoph, but your logic doesn't make sense in defense of that. We put up 172 rushing yards today and held the Clowns to 13.

 

Sticking with Josh Dobbs would have been a much better decision...

 

I definitely would have made that trade for the future HOFer Dobbs

 

We put up good numbers in the running game the last couple of weeks, but for the majority of the season, we've had a non-existent run game and in a few of those games that our running backs were shut down, Kenny actually came through to win those games. Granted, Kenny had a poor game, but there's blame to go around, from play calling, pass protection and yes, Kenny as well

 

Canada has been fired mid season before. I believe Coach O did it at LSU.

 

I went to Pitt when Marino was playing. I almost threw up when we passed on him. I was screaming at the TV every pick during the draft leading up to our pick saying "don't pick Kenny!" My buddies were like, nobody wants Kenny, don't worry. I lost my mind when we picked him. So happy. You won't find anyone rooting for Kenny more than me. He is a bad NFL quarterback so far. Hope he gets better, but my opinion is that only 5 star talents, who are already great, exceed on Tomlin teams. He does not develop players, so I have low expectations for Kenny in Pittsburgh.

 

Agreed, on Kenny. This fan base has limited patience, and maybe this team has to move on from Kenny, but I'm not at that point yet, especially with this coaching staff's lack of adjustments and scheming.

Ironic, that the 83 qb class was probably the best ever and last years class, one of the worst and we came up snake eyes on which year we invested a first for the Panther franchise QB. But again, not at that point where I'm ready to declare Kenny another Mark Malone. Eerily similar throwing motions though, with Malone having more of a cannon of an arm

 

They're both equally horrible. Canada and Pickett are a match made in offensive hell

 

Figures we get a decent pick and it's the worst QB class, but I was still stoked. My problem with the team is Tomlin. I don't think he knows what next level is, so he can't get his players to that next level. Championship level is different. Different level of effort, different expectations of everyone around you, different reaction to adversity. Winning record effort is an 8, feels good, championship effort is a 10. I really don't think Tomlin knows what it takes.

 

Yeah, about the exact same with Mitch and MUCH better with Ben.

Canada's offense scored 26 PPG with last year of his career Ben and the worst line in football. We had literal 0 running game with Rookie Dan Moore/ 2nd year Dotson/ Rookie Green/ Ghost of Trai Turner/ 3rd year Chuks and a rookie RB..... and we STILL scored 26 PPG. Kenny Pickett has a better line, essentially the same targets (RB, TE, WR's all same except Pickens instead of Claypool), and a better run game. PLUS a defense that is holding teams to less than 18 PPG over the past 18 games and creating turnovers at a top of the league rate.

Kenny Pickett is averaging - 16.6 PPG, 172 YPG, 1.9 TD%, 1.6 INT%
Ben in Canada's offense averaged - 26.0 PPG, 234 YPG, 3.6 TD%, 1.7 INT%

Essentially Ben in his last year was an NFL average QB with high Football IQ... and if we had that level of offensive output this season we would be sitting at 8-2 atop the AFC North. Facts hurt.

 

The Oline played like crap today, Kenny was off and pressured relentlessly. Canada's offense is way too simplistic , when Warren goes out wide and Kenny stares him down it is no surprise there are 4 Browns waiting for him . The entire offense was off when they tried to run a screen the linemen have to sell the block then release, on some screens they barely touched the D linemen and Kenny was getting buried before anything developed.
Not sure if that's Canada's idea of a screen or poor coaching by the Oline coach .
The Oline was bad in the first half and still bad in the second and nothing was changed . SF runs some plays with only 2 guys in the pattern and they go max protection.
The way our Oline pass protects its just a matter of time before Kenny is injured or concussed.

 

I've been saying that the last decade or so. Left a couple of SB's on the table in Ben's prime years, especially with the likes of Bell and Brown and that OL. Don't know if this is a popular opinion, but wish we had Harbagh as coach after Cowher, seriously think we would've got over the Belicheck riddle and won a couple of more SBs

 

The wonderlic is bull****.

 

Really? Everything I read and heard had Colbert locked in on Pickett. They like Howell and Willis.....but Pickett was his guy if he was there. Colbert spent a lot of time at Pitt practices and talking with Pitt people at the practice facilities.

 

Same here.

 

The Steelers do not.

Also, he was not fired until after LSU's season ended.

 

Those numbers are a bit skewed, that season we trailed the chargers by a million going into the second half, and Ben took it up on himself to call the plays in the second half that saw us score 28 points, probably the chargers helped with that by playing prevent, but that was the ONLY game the Steelers put up 30 in a game in Canada's tenure with this team

 

1. Ravens fans hate Harbagh, they have the same complaints about him that Pittsburgh fans have about Tomlin.
2. Ben is a big reason those SB's were left on the table.
3. Moving to a more offense focused system which they had to mainly due to Ben's contract is when the playoff winning stopped. I'm not saying what they are doing now is the answer, but the QB throwing for almost 5,000 yards a season isn't either.

 

They aren't skewed at all. The Steelers scored those points that year. Who cares if some of them were scored in a game we trailed by a lot in? Kenny has trailed by a lot in a number of games and he hasn't been able to pull off a big flurry of scoring. Heck, his only 300 yard game came in garbage time against the Bills last year, but nobody says his YPG are skewed bc of that... Sure, there were stretches of really bad offense in 2021, but the stats don't lie. It was a FAR more potent bunch with a worse surrounding cast when it was quarterbacked by a legitimate option than this year's unit.

Also, a Canada offense scored 30 points at home vs. the Bengals in a losing effort last year. So... twice LOL

 

1. - so what. same thing.
2. - Tomlin
3. - Tomlin

 

Fair enough, and your third point was borne out in playoff loss to the jags

 

1. Everyone has gripes, but Harbaugh has pretty consistently outperformed his talent. He makes the playoffs with even the most injury stricken units. He sent his back up QB to the Pro Bowl last year.
2. Winning a SB is hard. Ben is part of the team, so in that instance... yeah. But it's not like he choked every year in the playoffs. Its a team game and a myriad of issues kept us from winning again.
3. Uh, no. Brady won PLENTY of SB's throwing for nearly 5,000 yards. The Steelers had some bad injury luck on some of their playoff runs (Bell one year, AB another, etc.), but its hard to win. The majority of SB's won from now onward are going to be won by dudes that make the most money in the league, or guys on their rookie contracts on their way to being the highest paid players in the league. They are going to win with the best stats too. If you take Mahomes career YPG and multiply it by a full 17 game season, its 5,100 yards. He's essentially averaged that much per 17 game season for his whole career. You HAVE to have one of the best QB's in the league to compete for SB's anymore. Its just how the league is.

 

Canada / Tomlin would have ruined him too

 

If you don’t have a top 10 QB your not winning a SB most likely if your QB is the worst in the league and your OC is right there with him well your probably not going to the playoffs either