New OC. Same offensive stalling...

The offense can't get the ball down the field. It reminds me of what was happening when BA was OC. However, they appear better at getting the ball in the end zone once they hit the red zone.

I like Haley's play calling, but I'm puzzled as to why the offense can't get past the opposing 30/40 yard line.

BA got slaughtered for it, on this board.

Of course, I'm a proponent of the notion that the players are not executing.

I'm sure the Rooneys will give Haley one more year, and consider this season as growing pains.

However, I'm interested in what others think.

 

haley must go or more of the same next year

 

I've said it 1000 times and I'll say it again...Its the health of the O line.

Period.

The past 2 seasons have been filled with never ending injuries causing players to constantly be shifted into and out of positions that they ordinarily don't play/practice often. Continuity allowing for the O line to gel is a big part of O line play and is almost always overlooked by the fans caught up in the "standard is the standard" and "next man up" cliches spouted by the coaches and players.

Give me 6 so-so lineman (5 starters and a servicable back up) that stay healthy all season, and I'll show you a pretty good O line. The Steelers just haven't had that luxury in recent years.

 

I also think it was execution. I think we forget the fact that MAYBE the reason it doesn't look like we go down field is because a LOT of times this year when we DID go down field either Ben was off target or the WR's dropped it. It's really frustrating because we showed "signs of life" as Marv Albert would say but then we just seemed to suffer when Ben got back. Remember at the 1st of the year we were talking about how the D was what looked bad and the O was actually carrying them? Remember the gadget play in Cincy where Batch just flat out dropped a wide open TD? Remember in Oakland when AB fumbled and cost us the game? Remember in the first Rats game where Wallace fumbled and put them in their own territory? Haley is getting a lot of crap and so is Tomlin but the fact is that ON THE FIELD the players didn't execute when we needed them to. Now you can debate whether Tomlin did enough to fix that or not but it doesn't change the fact that the players made a lackluster showing this year. Period.

 

Yes, I think we've been in agreement on this topic for quite a while. Your examples are spot on. You can't say the coaches didn't put the players in position to win because the players were in the right position and open. Dropped balls, fumbles, INTs, miscues, bad throws, penalties... It's just sloppy play.

 

With Haley's offense do you think we will ever score more than 27 points a game? What do you really like about?

 

I agree the O-Line is a problem. But the FO and coaches got decent players. There's been no time to gel due to injuries.

Also, LeBeau was playing 2nd to about 4th or 5th string and shutting down opposing offenses. I think plug-and-play is the name of the game. If DL's players can do it, then why not Haley's?

 

It seems more controlled to me. He still throws in strikes for big plays, but mostly he selects plays that should methodically move the ball down the field. But, as was stated by someone else in another thread: the offense has to play largely mistake-free because penalties cripple the progress.

Then, there's the O-Line and Ben holding the ball.

 

With Haley's offense we scored 31 in Oakland and lost. And yes if players catch wide open TD's we will score that many points. Don't forget that under Haley until Ben got hurt we were 2nd in the NFL in TOP and VERY near the best in the NFL for 3rd down which is the money down in football. MY biggest problem with Haley lately is the Run Run Pass Run Run Pass playcalling and almost COMPLETE lack of Play Action. That's my problem. If the players will do a serious gutcheck and get on board they will see that we can be successful in this offense. Why SHOULD Haley open up the playbook when the players aren't executing the small stuff? Another thing that didn't help the offense is the fact that we seemed to always be backed up on field position until recently. The stupid penalties hurt the TEAM and NOT just the SPECIAL teams. Ben missed 3 games and still threw 23 td's and only 7 picks. That's a VERY good year in my opinion. You can't fault Haley for the fact that Ben missed a WIDE OPEN Wallace in the Bungles game and cost us the season.

 

Here, I found this online.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...the-2011-steelers-and-the-2010-packers-part-i

Scroll down and look at the chart. Its a comparison between the 2010 Packers and the 2011 Steelers regarding injuries. Remember those Packers overcame a lot of injuries to win SB 45.
But focus on the O line. Notice that 4 of their 5 starters missed ZERO starts! ZERO. ZILCH. NIL. NADA. The one who did, Mark Tauscher was placed on IR in Nov. His replacement, Brian Buluga didn't miss a start after taking over.
Tausher accounted for all of the missed games on the GB O line that season...12.

I can't stress this enough so I had to bold and italicize it to try to do so.

Now look at the Steelers O line. They missed more than double the Packers 12. They missed 26 starts. And to make matter worse, of those 26, 11 (Colon missed 15) were spread 4 other players meaning they were sometimes in and sometimes out, moving and shuffling around not allowing for consistent playing time in order to gel together.

Not sure about the 2012 Steelers, but from (recent) memory, they were equally as banged up as the 2011 version...and had pretty much the same results.

 

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falcons new oc, pplayoffs bengals new oc, pplayoffs colts new oc, playoffs...

quit making excuses for Haley, he was a poor fit and the record shows that

 

This too.

But I still contend that health is the biggest factor.

There were plenty of bone headed penalties last year too. The turn overs are new though.

 

What I like about Haley is that he's proven he can run any type of offence. He can run a ground and pound clock controlling type that he appears to want to install in Pittsburgh, or he can install an offence that slings the ball down the field 50 times a game. We all know why he was brought in, and that was to keep Ben clean and to re-establish the running game. Both things happened somewhat at different points this year, but we weren't consistent about either.

In order for us to have a good offence we need a good Oline, Ben needs to buy into the system and work hard at it, we need a possession receiver like Dwayne Bowe, and we need a RB that Tomlin will actually use. Without those things, a true possession style offence will be inconsistent.

What worries me is that the Rooney's are going to keep Wallace now that his value his bottomed out, and they'll keep Mendenhall. Tomlin will not use Mendenhall and we'll have the same damn problem we had this year of no RB's, and Wallace is not a good fit for a possession style offence. Even if he could adjust, he won't. He basically said as much this year when he talked about losing focus, despite being on track to get more targets than ever in his career. He's selfish and wants the big stats, he doesn't want to catch 12 yard passes.

 

hes got one season as an offensive coordinator with a winning record(9-7). Exactly when did he prove this?

 

Agree for the most part, but stated in other threads, this team cannot run this type of offense, because it takes too long to score and too many bad things happen on long drives that has runs up the middle, then dink, than dunk, then penalty, then a drop pass, then a bad pass, and then a injury, and we punt! We are not the Patriots, that can run this type of offense.

It's not all the fault of Haley's, but we don't have the personnel to run this style of offense and we got a head coach that's not helping the situation on how he handles the running backs (Mendy should of been in more last week) special teams (did we lead the NFL in penalties) receivers (Plex in the red zone).

Agree with you also on what's up with run up the middle on 1st and 2nd down without no play action the entire game. Just bizarre stuff like this all year.

 

The Falcons have Julio, Roddy White and Tony G. We don't have anyone even close to those guys. They also have an Oline that can protect Matt Ryan, plus they have a QB who plays the position like it's meant to be played.

The Bengals have AJ Green plus they have a running game. Besides, they're not exactly an offensive jugernaut.

The Colts have Andrew Luck and Reggie Wayne. Again, we don't have anyone of that calibre. Andrew Luck drives down the field late in the 4th quarter to win the game. Ben hasn't done that for 2 years now.

The problem isn't that Haley has only had 1 year, the problem is he hasn't had an Oline to work with, doesn't have very good receivers, doesn't have a RB to work with and has a QB that chose to play outside the system.

 

Plus I'm pretty sure Jay Gruden is still the OC of the Bengals and has been for the last two years or so. So sorry the Bengals don't fit the new OC=playoffs formula.

 

I guess KC means nothing. I guess when almost every analyst out there says he can run either system, that must mean nothing too. I very highly value what Pat Kirwan and Tim Ryan have to say, and they have repeatedly said Todd Haley can run a ground and pound or a high powered passing offence. I also value what Greg Cosell has to say, and after Todd Haley got hired he was raving about the Steelers running game due to Haley's ability to implement a successful running game. That didn't happen, but it doesn't change the fact that Haley was brought here to do just that and I have no doubt he'll do it as long as he have the personnel, which we don't.

 

To say that Haley can't install a high powered offense is not very smart. He installed the number ONE offense in AZ that came within about 1 minute of winning the Super Bowl. However that same offense was horrible on the ground. But you gotta take in to account the fact that they had an aging Edgerrin James and a rookie in Tim Hightower. Give Haley some receivers that'll catch the ball and a runner that can be a workhorse and I'm telling you you guys are gonna be joining my Todd Haley Fan Club. Yes I'm disappointed at how we seemed to have faded down the stretch but it just wasn't meant to be. I really doubt that the Rooney's are thinking this is Haley's fault. If you remember in BA's first playoff game there were some of the dumbest calls I've ever seen against Jacksonville and there was NO reason we should've lost that game. Remember in 09 when we went to Cleveland in sub-zero conditions and Ben threw it 50 times and we lost the game? Yet there seem to be people on here who consider Haley a step back? I was always of the opinion we won in SPITE of BA. With Haley I think we will win BECAUSE of the system he puts in place. That's just my opinion.

 

IDK?? Our offense was playing pretty well the first half of the season. Ben was not taking sacks and the third down efficiency was tops in the league at one point, it's the defense that sputtered the first half and cost us those games. Then................ Ben gets hurt, we struggle on offense and the defense becomes pretty damn dominant. Ben, then comes back and reverts back to his old self. Taking sacks and knocking us out of manageable positions at crucial times in games. I think our o-line did pretty well, for how beat up they were and makeshift. My blame goes towards...............

1) Tomlin- He doesn't know how to manage a game. Not a good motivator neither.
2) Ben- Chip on his shoulder??? Mind on new baby???? ( I really believe he wasn't hurt as bad as he/they claim. I think he really used that as an excuse to miss the games upcoming for the birth of his son. Think, workman's comp!! Everyone abuses it, why not him????)
3) Lebeau- Anything 3rd & 6, to 3rd & 99 our defense can't stop.

 

Yeah that's pretty paranoid. Somewhere there is a post about me saying that it's weird how people seem to think that babies are only born on Sundays. Actually Ben Jr was NOT born on a Sunday. There have been other posts in the past saying that Ben was really missing time for the baby. That's not true.

 

What I meant was, that he milked his injury to use as an excuse to stay out for a few weeks. We all know he said he would miss a game if the baby was born on a sunday. I think he didn't want to chance possibly missing the birth, if say she went into labor at 1:30 on a game day let's say. She was due within the next two weeks at the time of his injury, that was stated during the KC game that night. The timing was just VERY ironic!! And the fact that it went from a life and death situation, to some bumps and bruises????
Trust me, I have a Ben shrine in my man cave like you couldn't imagine. I just believe he lost his will to play this season, that night in KC and threw in the towel.