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Best Explanation on Canada Offense

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Steelresolve, Nov 2, 2023.

  1. CanadianSteel

    CanadianSteel Well-Known Member

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  2. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    I was not talking on the steelers defense.....
     
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  3. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    Are you talking about our offense and those teams defenses? We are pretty good in a lot of defensive rankings. The Vikings have given up 27 more points then we have. The chiefs have given up 20 points less than we have. Our offense is fairly young. Defensively we have had a lot of injuies. These things do make a difference I hate to tell you.:cool:
     
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  4. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    I talk about our team offense who is in the bottom 3 and I compare them with some other defense because you said that our offense struggle because we are young....But the chiefs defense is the second youngest in the NFL and this is not a problem for them.They are elite this year so far
     
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  5. Chinchilla

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    Great stuff man! I still need to watch more of it but I like how it wasnt all emotion with his own agenda.

    Im a bit of a data clown but at the same time even data can be skewed...Big Pharma says hi.

    I dont think that was all cherry picked either and really opened my eyes on how the teams scheme and their effectiveness.

    I like these guys under the media whore radar who truly want to understand what is the root cause and corrective action than drama on other TMZ stuff that gets boring fast.
     
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  6. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    Btw Joe cool was playing hurt at beginning of season! No comparison to Joe Cool and KFP!
     
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  7. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    No ....I agree....at this moment it's not close...We can only hope later it will be different.
     
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  8. GoldBurgh

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  9. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    part of the reason they struggle is they are young. it's not just a one thing that is the problem. now to the chiefs defense, when you have an offense like theirs that makes the other team one dimensional in most games it is far easier to compensate. again apples to apples is one thing but it's just not that cut and dry here. i've said it many times, we don't have the most intelligent players or coaches for that matter. i could care less what other teams are doing. young and coachable is one thing, young and dumb is another. :cool:
     
  10. Steelersfan43

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  11. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    does football have to be that complicated? the more complicated the more problems. you have at least 15 guys that all have to be on the same page for a game and 11 at a time reading and seeing the same thing. the more options on each play the bigger chance that someon out of those 11 will see it differently.:cool:
     
  12. pczach

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    The modern game of football is that complicated. If your team isn't, you're playing at a disadvantage.
     
  13. S.T.D

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    Not really. Nobody is running anything that hasn't been run in the last 20 years. Maybe a tweak here , or there. You would be surprised at how many plays the 49er, and the Steelers run that are the same. It's not what is called ....it's when it's called, how it's executed, and who is executing it.
    I can't express this enough.....its hard for anyone to call plays when the team goes 3, and out. Anything You have planned, or worked out to set the Defense up ....goes right out the window.
     
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  14. METALMAN_68

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    Too much gets made out of the actual play instead of when it's called. That, imo, has been Canadas major deficiency, his feel for the game.
    You don't have to have more plays but you do have to know which plays attack which defenses and everyone involved with the offense needs to understand why they do. Much has been made of Kennys pre-snap recognition so that plays a big part. Add in what's been called a rudimentary route tree and you're left with what we have the pleasure of viewing every Sunday. Or Thursday. Or even Monday.
     
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  15. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    You have to have the players and coaches to handle it.:cool:
     
  16. pczach

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    It's not just the plays. It's the complexity within the plays. The blitz packages and the radical stuff defenses run at you all the time. The rules changes have changed the way the game is played and offenses attack defenses. Offensive systems have a huge amount of intricacies and adjustments based on coverages and positioning with so much more of offensive strategy involves the passing game. That means that all players need to know how to read defenses and be on the same page as the QB. Complexity gives you more ways to defeat the defenses you play against.

    Defenses keep getting more complex and diversified. The looks defenses give, plus having more athletes on the field to use speed to force play or fly to the quarterback have mandated changes to be made to offenses. It is a constant battle of changes and adjustments. Constant change and adjustments means the game has transformed. It's not subtle like you are trying to portray.

    The game continues to develop and gets more complex each year. If you don't think there's any difference in the complexity of the offensive or defensive game compared to 20 years ago, I really don't know what to tell you.
     
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  17. Rel

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    The Steelers will do not fire coaches mid-season.
     
  18. Tulsa

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    It bothers me that Tomlin digs his heels in on making a change on his staff. If it were a player or a defensive scheme, he wouldn't mind it. But clearly there is a problem. It just feels like he doesn't want to prove everyone else right by doing something about it. I don't know why he seems to be so headstrong about it. I don't want Tomlin gone. But I sure wanted him to be proactive on this.
     
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  19. JackAttack 5958

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  20. Wardismvp

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    Does this really surprise you after 3 seasons of Matt Canada?
     
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  21. mac daddyo

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    you don't think this was going on twenty years ago? the defenses are always trying to find ways to defeat offenses. offenses are always trying to find ways to defeat defenses. it's not something new. new rules equate to new things to teach players in how to play the game. most of these top athletes are not Rhodes scholars coming into the league. every team is trying to get an edge against the other team. it was that way twenty years ago too. :cool:
     
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  22. pczach

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    This has nothing to do with trying to find ways to defeat defenses. All teams try. This about how other offenses have advanced and changed, and the Steelers have not. That is why they are not doing well. The game has changed and they have not changed enough or are sophisticated enough to keep up.

    The whole point some of you are trying to make is that things need to be simpler with the offense. Nothing can be further from the truth. It is obvious to people that understand the game that Canada's offense is archaic, predictable, and lacking in many modern concepts and creativity. This isn't that hard to understand.

    People were trying real hard to improve when the wheel was invented too, but I think it's safe to say there have been some technological improvements....wouldn't you say?

    Those that took what they learned and continued to improve and innovate rule the world, while others were slow to change and accepted a more primitive lifestyle and were at a disadvantage in all aspects of life and economy. Which only proves how much things are different now than they were 20 years ago, and how those that haven't advanced enough are left behind. Some nations were driving cars while others were using horses. :smiley1:

    Again, the whole point is that things have changed a ton and those that haven't caught up are struggling.

    If you're not on the cutting edge, you are falling behind.
     
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  23. james weyandt

    james weyandt Well-Known Member

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    :herewego!: like I said let's see what Matt does on sidelines ---maybe that's all that was needed--- to be a part of the team ----not hidden in a hole away from everyone.
     
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  24. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    LoL
     
  25. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    You believe to much of what people tell You ....instead of what the film actually shows. Yes rules have changed, but there are plays being run today that have been run for as long a football has been played. You only have so many people on offense, and defense. I promise anything You show Me ...8 can show You a version of the same play being run before. They didn't change. Yes someone may have run it with different personal, but it's been run before. It's not what's being run....its when it's being run, and against what it's being run against.
     

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