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Tuo first two years compared to KP hmmm ....

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Steelresolve, Nov 2, 2023.

  1. SteelerGlenn

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  2. SGSteeler

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    Tua definitely took a bit to become who he is, but he did have a solid sized jump in year two... It wasn't a Lawrence sized jump, but it was a good bump in production, which is something we haven't seen from Pickett yet. Kenny still seems like the same guy he was at the end of the season last year. Potential for sure, makes some good plays in tough situations, and is solid when the game is on the line. However, he struggles with consistently making the easy plays and is part of the issue as to why we struggle to move the ball on offense. There has to be a year 3 leap for Kenny for me to feel good moving forward. If he still is the same guy next year as he has been the first half of this year, then its time to swing again at the QB position.
     
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  3. shaner82

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    Pickett shouldn't be compared to Tua in any way. I don't care about coaching, scheme, talent, etc. Pickett is missing very easy throws. He regularly runs to where the pressure is coming from and he flat out doesn't see open guys. The coaching and scheme is a problem, but Kenny should be playing much better. Tua is 100 times the QB Kenny is at this point.
     
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  4. pczach

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    And yet when it matters most, Pickett plays better than most quarterbacks in the NFL. How many comebacks does Tua have? He is great when everything is going well and they have a big lead, but when tough times come and everything is a struggle, what has Tua done? Tua has also missed a ton of time with injuries, and he was being talked about as being a bust until he got it going in a great offensive system with a great offensive mind as his head coach and a boatload of talent around him.

    Tua's numbers his first 2 seasons looked a lot like Kenny Pickett's numbers. It wasn't until his third season that he made a leap in production. I guess you just want to ignore that, or you are just ignorant of that fact.

    Stop trashing Pickett and just see where this goes. He deserves to have more time to develop. Any player that gets it done at the end of games has some sauce. Let's continue to surround him with more talent and improve the system he plays in. Then we will know.
     
  5. Steelresolve

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    What I find confusing is KP seems to play nervous the whole game yet in the fourth quarter with the game on the line he gets enough confidence to pull it out.

    I feel like something is amiss with the offense communicating and being on the same page as far as recognizing the blitz, picking up the blitz and the receiver and qb making adjustments regarding the blitz from a hot route perspective. Is that KP, the wr’s, the Center? I think it is big part of our problem.

    KP has to calm down at the beginning of games. They need to scheme guys open more to make it easier on KP to allow him to get into a rhythm. I felt like Canada did that tonight but KP was just off early. He presses too much and is lacking confidence early.
     
  6. Steelresolve

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    Nice
     
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  7. Steelresolve

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    You left off a period at the end of the sentence.
     
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  8. jeh1856

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    You’re

    Because twice wasn’t enough
     
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  9. Steelresolve

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    You’re late to the party. Somebody already got me on that one. Gotta be more creative.
     
  10. jeh1856

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    :facepalm:

    I leave periods off of sentences

    I trade them in for facepalms
     
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  11. jeh1856

    jeh1856 I am free

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    You gotta read my post slower
     
  12. Steelresolve

    Steelresolve Well-Known Member

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    Maybe that is what I should start doing.
     
  13. jeh1856

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    Sorry

    I got an exclusive deal for the season
     
  14. jeh1856

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    Are you related to GoldBunny

    She’s very similar
     
  15. Steelresolve

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    Yawn.
     
  16. jeh1856

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    Nice period
     
  17. bigbenhotness

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    Don’t you ever disrespect Mason like that again :lolol:
     
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  18. Steelresolve

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    Why thank you.
     
  19. SGSteeler

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    Based on some video evidence from previous games, there have been a number of times guys have been schemed open and Kenny has missed the throw/thrown it late. It's not that he CANT do it, because there are plenty of instances where he has done this correctly or made the right play... It's just the consistency of it

    As for the communication, I am not entirely sure but I think the C does communicate a lot of the protection but I am fairly certain that the QB has the power to check into things if he sees a blitz coming. Like audible into a hot route or a certain protection. I recall a specific situation where he did this last night and audibled into a hot route to DJ (quick out) based off a blitz coming from that side. I also think that this "alert" kept Warren in to block on the side he saw the pressure from.

    I am not sure that its nerves early, but for one reason or another his caliber of play is significantly better in the second half (particularly the 4th quarter) than it is in the first half. He missed a wide open Pickens on a crosser on 3rd down that could've been a 20+ yard play, he missed DJ on a comeback route, and underthrew a pretty sure TD to Austin who was being carried deep by an ILB. The last example still could've been a play made by Austin, but it was a difficult one. Had it been thrown perfectly it was a walk in TD. This is why KP throws for 160-230 yards and never really eclipses the 300 yard mark. Just leaves too many plays out there to really rack up the yards. I get there will be misses. Every QB makes bad throws or misreads, its just frustrating because Kenny tends to make these plays in the 4th and tends to miss them in the first half. No rhyme or reason why, he just does. He's capable, he just doesn't do it consistently for whatever reason.
     
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  20. S.T.D

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    Scheme guys open. There was 3 td passes left on the field last night that were wide open, and 2 were terrible throws, and one was a player not dragging his foot. Last week we had 3 more wide open tds.
     
  21. pczach

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    Kenny Pickett had 3 throws that hit his receivers in the hands for sure touchdowns last night, and they only caught 1 of them.

    You mention one where he hit Pickens in the end zone and he didn't toe tap.

    On the game-winning drive, he hit DJ right in the hands at the 1 yard line. He would have walked into the end zone, but the ball went right through. Luckily there was a penalty and they got another chance.

    The game-winning TD to DJ. He was able to catch the second perfect throw to him for a TD.

    I think there's enough blame to go around to others besides a banged up Kenny Pickett.
     
  22. HeinzMustard

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    Miami with Tua has no trouble beating average and bottom feeder teams... but when they play a good team, they fold like a cheap tent. At least Pickett beat the Ravens with LJ and Browns with Watson.
     
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  23. RobertoC#21

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    you forgot Cliff stoudt, Mike Krucek, Jim Miller and Kent Graham to name a few.....LOL
     
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  24. S.T.D

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    I guess You forgot the one to Austin if He leads him is a Td, or the one to Robinson for a TD that was to low and away. That's 14 points. That's not mentioning the passes just for big gains ....like tge over throw of Pickens, the over throw of DJ, and the way over throw again to Pickens. I was just talking about the Tds. That one to Pickens was so bad the announcers brought it up a few times. I'm 100% behind KFP, but I'm not going to sugar coat it.
     
  25. pczach

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    I didn't forget anything. I was just listing plays you left out. You were only pointing out plays to make Pickett look bad. I simply listed the plays where the ball was perfectly thrown for touchdowns and weren't caught. Do you dispute these plays happened? You saw the game, so you know what I said is true.

    You can't just say there's a receiver 50 yards down field and say it should be a touchdown. There's a difference between missing a 12 yard crossing route and claiming all those plays would be touchdowns when they're 60 yards from the end zone. The throws I am talking about are would have literally been touchdowns if the receivers simply caught the ball in the end zone or the one to DJ at the 1 yard line and he would have walked into the end zone. You make those statements like every quarterback not named Kenny Pickett throws a touchdown pass in that situation, and that wouldn't happen. Nobody is perfect and all quarterbacks make mistakes. It's a lot more difficult to throw the ball than it is to catch it.

    Najee Harris also dropped a pass right in his hands in the right flat with nobody around him and a chance for a big play. Again, other players made mistakes besides Pickett.

    I'm just trying to be fair, and not just list plays that criticize Pickett. There are plays that Pickett made the throw and he didn't get help from his teammates too.

    I think Kenny Pickett missed more throws in this game than most because I think Canada actually called a better game, and they were closer to being on the same page. I'm going to cut him a little slack because he was playing with ribs he injured 4 days earlier. It can affect a throwing motion and have an impact on accuracy.
     
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