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Maybe it's time we consider trading Ben

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by RBloodworth1, Dec 24, 2012.

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Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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RBloodworth1 said: ↑

^To answer your question, I had to create a new user ID due to the change in servers. I'm not trolling.

I knew this was going to be controversial, but I think making this move may be best for the team in the long run. If the Chiefs would take our offer, we could draft Jarvis Jones with the number one pick, use our second first-round pick to address other needs (perhaps Tavon Austin? a quality DB? more OL help?), and then sign Alex Smith to be our starter for the next 2-3 years. No, he doesn't have Ben's play-making ability, but he's smart, knows his limitations, and is custom-built for a dink-and-dunk offensive system like Haley's. We then will use a future year's draft pick to select the QB of the future. It's called addition by subtraction.
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Is this ballhair? We seem to be having an infusion of "new" members suddenly. Another is dick shiner, I'd bet anything he's dwinsgames

Blast Furnace, Dec 24, 2012

Blast Furnace, Dec 24, 2012

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Steelcop Well-Known Member

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Trade Ben? NUTS

Steelcop, Dec 24, 2012

Steelcop, Dec 24, 2012

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ScottChab Well-Known Member

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Stop the insanity.

ScottChab, Dec 24, 2012

ScottChab, Dec 24, 2012

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3carsteeler TSF Supporter

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No way. It is getting crazy around here.

3carsteeler, Dec 24, 2012

3carsteeler, Dec 24, 2012

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SteelinOhio TSF Supporter

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Let's face it: Ben has only ever been able to have success as a QB when he plays sand-lot football and is allowed to improvise. His effectiveness playing this style is only going to lessen as he gets older and his raw physical abilities erode, and his massive ego (and, quite honestly, lack of intelligence) will prevent him from learning to play within a system. I really think that it may be time to consider cutting bait, go into rebuilding mode, and trade #7 for badly needed draft picks before he turns into late-period Brett Favre. The Chiefs are a good QB away from being decent, are in bad need of making a splashy move to appease their fanbase, and are going to have one of the top two picks in the draft. There are no franchise QBs in this draft, so Ben would be an upgrade over anyone they could get with that pick. I think they may bite if we were to make an offer. As for us, we can pick up a free agent veteran for the next few seasons to help mentor our next starter as we rebuild through the draft. It's not like this team is going to be a Super Bowl contender anyway...
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this team is a super bowl contender every year with #7 behind center...Hall of Fame Qbs do not come around too often...sorry stupid idea
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It is obvious that this team is a totally different team since 2004, the year #7 became our QB. People that are saying stupid things like "trade Ben", or "it is Ben's fault", etc. have either no memory of the previous 25 years team success or are just "jump on the wagon" fans.
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SteelinOhio, Dec 24, 2012

SteelinOhio, Dec 24, 2012

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ScottChab said: ↑

Stop the insanity.
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[video=youtube;Ur0g-R7ZODY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur0g-R7ZODY[/video]

BobbyBiz, Dec 24, 2012

BobbyBiz, Dec 24, 2012

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shadowmaker Well-Known Member

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RBloodworth1 said: ↑

Let's face it: Ben has only ever been able to have success as a QB when he plays sand-lot football and is allowed to improvise. His effectiveness playing this style is only going to lessen as he gets older and his raw physical abilities erode, and his massive ego (and, quite honestly, lack of intelligence) will prevent him from learning to play within a system. I really think that it may be time to consider cutting bait, go into rebuilding mode, and trade #7 for badly needed draft picks before he turns into late-period Brett Favre. The Chiefs are a good QB away from being decent, are in bad need of making a splashy move to appease their fanbase, and are going to have one of the top two picks in the draft. There are no franchise QBs in this draft, so Ben would be an upgrade over anyone they could get with that pick. I think they may bite if we were to make an offer. As for us, we can pick up a free agent veteran for the next few seasons to help mentor our next starter as we rebuild through the draft. It's not like this team is going to be a Super Bowl contender anyway...
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If your other FOUR posts are as ridiculous, crazy, and stupid as this one, plus dont post anymore.

shadowmaker, Dec 24, 2012

shadowmaker, Dec 24, 2012

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JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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I've been critical of Ben but trading him would be insane. Having said that, I would think about drafting our QB of the future in the 2nd - 4th round this year. Who is this year's Russell Wilson?

JackAttack 5958, Dec 24, 2012

JackAttack 5958, Dec 24, 2012

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lersgofor7 said: ↑

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I second or third this motion.

steelers5859, Dec 24, 2012

steelers5859, Dec 24, 2012

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jhmiller3 Well-Known Member

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OK, before TTF closes this thread, I just have to say

jhmiller3, Dec 24, 2012

jhmiller3, Dec 24, 2012

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steelerzfannforever Well-Known Member

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mrtnalvrz said: ↑

lersgofor7 said: ↑

RBloodworth1 said: ↑

Let's face it: Ben has only ever been able to have success as a QB when he plays sand-lot football and is allowed to improvise. His effectiveness playing this style is only going to lessen as he gets older and his raw physical abilities erode, and his massive ego (and, quite honestly, lack of intelligence) will prevent him from learning to play within a system. I really think that it may be time to consider cutting bait, go into rebuilding mode, and trade #7 for badly needed draft picks before he turns into late-period Brett Favre. The Chiefs are a good QB away from being decent, are in bad need of making a splashy move to appease their fanbase, and are going to have one of the top two picks in the draft. There are no franchise QBs in this draft, so Ben would be an upgrade over anyone they could get with that pick. I think they may bite if we were to make an offer. As for us, we can pick up a free agent veteran for the next few seasons to help mentor our next starter as we rebuild through the draft. It's not like this team is going to be a Super Bowl contender anyway...
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this team is a super bowl contender every year with #7 behind center...Hall of Fame Qbs do not come around too often...sorry stupid idea
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It is obvious that this team is a totally different team since 2004, the year #7 became our QB. People that are saying stupid things like "trade Ben", or "it is Ben's fault", etc. have either no memory of the previous 25 years team success or are just "jump on the wagon" fans.
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Amen, Hallelujah! I do not want to endure another 25 years like the ones prior to Bens arrival! I do not care how bad this team was this year...as long as #7 is under center, this team has a chance at the Superbowl every year!

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steelerzfannforever, Dec 24, 2012

steelerzfannforever, Dec 24, 2012

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Yogi4 Well-Known Member

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What are we going to do go get Curtis Painter and lose all but 2 of our games like the 2011 Colts. Are we that DUMB!!!!!!!

Yogi4, Dec 24, 2012

Yogi4, Dec 24, 2012

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AFan said: ↑

RBloodworth1 said: ↑

^To answer your question, I had to create a new user ID due to the change in servers. I'm not trolling.

I knew this was going to be controversial, but I think making this move may be best for the team in the long run. If the Chiefs would take our offer, we could draft Jarvis Jones with the number one pick, use our second first-round pick to address other needs (perhaps Tavon Austin? a quality DB? more OL help?), and then sign Alex Smith to be our starter for the next 2-3 years. No, he doesn't have Ben's play-making ability, but he's smart, knows his limitations, and is custom-built for a dink-and-dunk offensive system like Haley's. We then will use a future year's draft pick to select the QB of the future. It's called addition by subtraction.
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The Chiefs would not trade the #1 or #2 pick overall for a 31-yr QB with lot of miles on him. You won't get anything near that for him.

What you do is keep your franchise QB during his prime, rather than trading him for an if/maybe.
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Heck...If I owned the Chiefs and the Steelers offered me Ben for the #1 pick in the draft, I would jump on that crap faster than Usain Bolt runnin from the Po-Po!

jenyeart, Dec 24, 2012

jenyeart, Dec 24, 2012

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JackAttack 5958 said: ↑

I've been critical of Ben but trading him would be insane. Having said that, I would think about drafting our QB of the future in the 2nd - 4th round this year. Who is this year's Russell Wilson?
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You'd have a lot of teams looking to hire you if you could figure that out Jack!

Blast Furnace, Dec 24, 2012

Blast Furnace, Dec 24, 2012

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I usually love the trolls.
I'm just not in the mood, right now.

Homestead____Works, Dec 24, 2012

Homestead____Works, Dec 24, 2012

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SteelHack Well-Known Member

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I can give you 16 reasons not to trade Ben

Cliff Stoudt, Mark Malone, David Woodley, Scott Cambell, Steve Bono, Todd Blackledge, Bubby Brister, Neil O'donnel, Mike Tomzack, Jim Miller, Kordell Stewart, Kent Graham, Tommy Maddox, Charlie Batch, Dennis Dixon, Byron Leftwhich.

QB's that have started between Bradshaw and Ben

HACK

SteelHack, Dec 24, 2012

SteelHack, Dec 24, 2012

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strummerfan Well-Known Member

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322 Steeler Fan said: ↑

Ben is the starter for at least next year, probably 3-5 more years. He is not yet a problem.

The teams needs to establish a running game, linebacker depth, and a defensive line. If that is done next year and Ben sucks than look into that then the next year.
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Don't you remember Haley was supposed to "know how to use a running game" and fix everything that was wrong? Of course now the problem is Ben, not the OC that actually runs the ball significantly less than Arians and does so for a far worse average.

strummerfan, Dec 24, 2012

strummerfan, Dec 24, 2012

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Tomlin_Era said: ↑

RBloodworth1 said: ↑

^To answer your question, I had to create a new user ID due to the change in servers. I'm not trolling.

I knew this was going to be controversial, but I think making this move may be best for the team in the long run. If the Chiefs would take our offer, we could draft Jarvis Jones with the number one pick, use our second first-round pick to address other needs (perhaps Tavon Austin? a quality DB? more OL help?), and then sign Alex Smith to be our starter for the next 2-3 years. No, he doesn't have Ben's play-making ability, but he's smart, knows his limitations, and is custom-built for a dink-and-dunk offensive system like Haley's. We then will use a future year's draft pick to select the QB of the future. It's called addition by subtraction.
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Is this ballhair? We seem to be having an infusion of "new" members suddenly. Another is dick shiner, I'd bet anything he's dwinsgames
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Don't talk about your mother like that son, its not nice. If you want to keep your lips attached to Benny boys nut sack that's your business. What did he do that has you so so enamored with him? Did he wave at you once at St.Vincents? Did he sign your terrible towel before a game? Do you wear his jersey to bed that your mother bought you? Whatever the reason its not because of his performance on the field. You are a hick and should go and be a Clowns fan.

ballhair, Dec 25, 2012

ballhair, Dec 25, 2012

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strummerfan Well-Known Member

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Tomlin_Era said: ↑

RBloodworth1 said: ↑

^To answer your question, I had to create a new user ID due to the change in servers. I'm not trolling.

I knew this was going to be controversial, but I think making this move may be best for the team in the long run. If the Chiefs would take our offer, we could draft Jarvis Jones with the number one pick, use our second first-round pick to address other needs (perhaps Tavon Austin? a quality DB? more OL help?), and then sign Alex Smith to be our starter for the next 2-3 years. No, he doesn't have Ben's play-making ability, but he's smart, knows his limitations, and is custom-built for a dink-and-dunk offensive system like Haley's. We then will use a future year's draft pick to select the QB of the future. It's called addition by subtraction.
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Is this ballhair? We seem to be having an infusion of "new" members suddenly. Another is dick shiner, I'd bet anything he's dwinsgames
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One way to know for certain is to start talking about twinkles and cupcakes.

strummerfan, Dec 25, 2012

strummerfan, Dec 25, 2012

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Rush2seven Well-Known Member

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RBloodworth1 said: ↑

Let's face it: Ben has only ever been able to have success as a QB when he plays sand-lot football and is allowed to improvise. His effectiveness playing this style is only going to lessen as he gets older and his raw physical abilities erode, and his massive ego (and, quite honestly, lack of intelligence) will prevent him from learning to play within a system. I really think that it may be time to consider cutting bait, go into rebuilding mode, and trade #7 for badly needed draft picks before he turns into late-period Brett Favre. The Chiefs are a good QB away from being decent, are in bad need of making a splashy move to appease their fanbase, and are going to have one of the top two picks in the draft. There are no franchise QBs in this draft, so Ben would be an upgrade over anyone they could get with that pick. I think they may bite if we were to make an offer. As for us, we can pick up a free agent veteran for the next few seasons to help mentor our next starter as we rebuild through the draft. It's not like this team is going to be a Super Bowl contender anyway...
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:lol: :shots: :lol:

So, what are you putting in your egg nog?

Rush2seven, Dec 25, 2012

Rush2seven, Dec 25, 2012

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SteelerGlenn TSF Supporter

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ballhair said: ↑

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

RBloodworth1 said: ↑

^To answer your question, I had to create a new user ID due to the change in servers. I'm not trolling.

I knew this was going to be controversial, but I think making this move may be best for the team in the long run. If the Chiefs would take our offer, we could draft Jarvis Jones with the number one pick, use our second first-round pick to address other needs (perhaps Tavon Austin? a quality DB? more OL help?), and then sign Alex Smith to be our starter for the next 2-3 years. No, he doesn't have Ben's play-making ability, but he's smart, knows his limitations, and is custom-built for a dink-and-dunk offensive system like Haley's. We then will use a future year's draft pick to select the QB of the future. It's called addition by subtraction.
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Is this ballhair? We seem to be having an infusion of "new" members suddenly. Another is dick shiner, I'd bet anything he's dwinsgames
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Don't talk about your mother like that son, its not nice. If you want to keep your lips attached to Benny boys nut sack that's your business. What did he do that has you so so enamored with him? Did he wave at you once at St.Vincents? Did he sign your terrible towel before a game? Do you wear his jersey to bed that your mother bought you? Whatever the reason its not because of his performance on the field. You are a hick and should go and be a Clowns fan.
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Ballhair, go back to bed.

SteelerGlenn, Dec 25, 2012

SteelerGlenn, Dec 25, 2012

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SteelerGlenn TSF Supporter

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BobbyBiz said: ↑

RBloodworth1 said: ↑

Let's face it: Ben has only ever been able to have success as a QB when he plays sand-lot football and is allowed to improvise. His effectiveness playing this style is only going to lessen as he gets older and his raw physical abilities erode, and his massive ego (and, quite honestly, lack of intelligence) will prevent him from learning to play within a system. I really think that it may be time to consider cutting bait, go into rebuilding mode, and trade #7 for badly needed draft picks before he turns into late-period Brett Favre. The Chiefs are a good QB away from being decent, are in bad need of making a splashy move to appease their fanbase, and are going to have one of the top two picks in the draft. There are no franchise QBs in this draft, so Ben would be an upgrade over anyone they could get with that pick. I think they may bite if we were to make an offer. As for us, we can pick up a free agent veteran for the next few seasons to help mentor our next starter as we rebuild through the draft. It's not like this team is going to be a Super Bowl contender anyway...
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And with just a week to go in the year, we have a new leader for the dumbest post of the year award.
Congrats sir.
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Just wait a bit, Slickster or SteelWarrior will be by soon to reclaim the title.

SteelerGlenn, Dec 25, 2012

SteelerGlenn, Dec 25, 2012

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Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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ballhair said: ↑

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

RBloodworth1 said: ↑

^To answer your question, I had to create a new user ID due to the change in servers. I'm not trolling.

I knew this was going to be controversial, but I think making this move may be best for the team in the long run. If the Chiefs would take our offer, we could draft Jarvis Jones with the number one pick, use our second first-round pick to address other needs (perhaps Tavon Austin? a quality DB? more OL help?), and then sign Alex Smith to be our starter for the next 2-3 years. No, he doesn't have Ben's play-making ability, but he's smart, knows his limitations, and is custom-built for a dink-and-dunk offensive system like Haley's. We then will use a future year's draft pick to select the QB of the future. It's called addition by subtraction.
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Is this ballhair? We seem to be having an infusion of "new" members suddenly. Another is dick shiner, I'd bet anything he's dwinsgames
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Don't talk about your mother like that son, its not nice. If you want to keep your lips attached to Benny boys nut sack that's your business. What did he do that has you so so enamored with him? Did he wave at you once at St.Vincents? Did he sign your terrible towel before a game? Do you wear his jersey to bed that your mother bought you? Whatever the reason its not because of his performance on the field. You are a hick and should go and be a Clowns fan.
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Lets get off of mothers ok, lets get off of mothers, I just got off of yours Come on now Ballhair, you practically stole my material from the game day thread a couple weeks ago, wheres your originality? Work on it son, even a slow witted dolt like yourself will come up with something eventually.

Blast Furnace, Dec 25, 2012

Blast Furnace, Dec 25, 2012

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slickster10 TSF Supporter

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SteelerGlenn said: ↑

BobbyBiz said: ↑

RBloodworth1 said: ↑

Let's face it: Ben has only ever been able to have success as a QB when he plays sand-lot football and is allowed to improvise. His effectiveness playing this style is only going to lessen as he gets older and his raw physical abilities erode, and his massive ego (and, quite honestly, lack of intelligence) will prevent him from learning to play within a system. I really think that it may be time to consider cutting bait, go into rebuilding mode, and trade #7 for badly needed draft picks before he turns into late-period Brett Favre. The Chiefs are a good QB away from being decent, are in bad need of making a splashy move to appease their fanbase, and are going to have one of the top two picks in the draft. There are no franchise QBs in this draft, so Ben would be an upgrade over anyone they could get with that pick. I think they may bite if we were to make an offer. As for us, we can pick up a free agent veteran for the next few seasons to help mentor our next starter as we rebuild through the draft. It's not like this team is going to be a Super Bowl contender anyway...
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And with just a week to go in the year, we have a new leader for the dumbest post of the year award.
Congrats sir.
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Just wait a bit, Slickster or SteelWarrior will be by soon to reclaim the title.
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You right Glenn! I need to reclaim the title, I think the next thread I will start will be called "SteelerGlenn is a great guy", that should get me the dumbest post award for the next decade.

slickster10, Dec 25, 2012

slickster10, Dec 25, 2012

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This thread has to be a joke. Please tell me it was a poor attempt at humor.
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I don't think this is a poor attempt at humor. I think this is HILARIOUS!!!

blountforcetrauma, Dec 25, 2012

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