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Promote Rudy to QB2....please?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by 59Vette, Oct 29, 2023.

  1. Steelvision

    Steelvision Well-Known Member

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    The Offensive Line was done by 2019 and there was no running game to rely on, worse than this year. And yet Mason had a slightly higher rating and better TD to Int ratio than Pickett does this season. He was also sacked about the same amount and in the same number of games as Pickett this year. I would say Mason did his job as a backup. Too many people expected him to come in and be the heir apparent to Ben (that was all media driven, I don't think the Steelers really intended that) - anyway, it didn't happen and now people are harder on the guy than they should be - he's fine as a backup - better than Trubs.
     
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  2. Blast Furnace

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  3. JackAttack 5958

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    Say what you want about Mason and how he sucked against the Lions, but one thing he did do is drive the Steelers straight down the field on their first drive in the first quarter to an opening touchdown and that’s more than Kenny Pickett or Mitch Trubisky seem to be able to do! And some are forgetting that Matt Canada was the OC then as well AND that Rudolph was driving the team late and JJSS cost them a win by fumbling the ball away.

    I say give Rudolph a shot if KP is hurt! I’m increasingly losing confidence in Pickett and Trubisky is terrible! The whole offensive crap show is getting very frustrating!!!
     
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  4. Tiggs99

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    A lot of teams passed on Brady too. Kurt Warner was playing arena football. Teams passed on James Harrison too. Teams passing on a guy doesn't really indicate much besides Mason's vet minimum is more than they want to spend on a back up. Everyone wants a new thing. Mason's not new, but he's the best amongst the qb crap show we have.
     
  5. SteelersFanCanada

    SteelersFanCanada Well-Known Member

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    I think the problem you're overlooking is that Mitch has been consistently reckless/careless with the ball his whole career. He's got years of film on him making the same bad decisions.

    We was Mitch throwing to Allen Robinson, who had 3 defenders around him, on 2nd and short?

    I'd prefer a backup QB that can run the offense and make the right decision. Our defense doesn't need any extra snaps on the field lol.
     
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  6. SGSteeler

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    They weren't though. 31,30,29,27 is hardly done as an Offensive Lineman, they were still all in their prime. Foster was close at 33, but that's it. This was an offense that returned 10 starters from a team that had the league's leading passer, T-5 in pass TD's, T-7 in Rush TD's, T-6 in points.... I get losing Brown is a hit, but the 2019 crew was poised to be a good offense with a healthy Ben. We couldn't run because we had putrid QB play and teams stacked the box.

    I just don't know how you can compare one QB who played on a good offense and one that has played on a really bad offense. They aren't comparable at all. The only similarity is that they both wore a Steelers jersey. Trubisky has looked good on solid offenses in the past, much better than Mason has. This offense is BAD. Very bad. Mason looked bad on a good offense, he would look much worse in this one.
     
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  7. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I will be totally honest with You. I didn't read past when You brought up what Trubisky did in Chicago. I watched Chicago. I'm originally from Chicago. He was carried by a very stout running game, and a great Defense, and when they tried to expand on His role because teams caught on.....He $hit the bed. This is his 3rd year away from Chicago, and His 2nd team. Hell he threw a int , and no tds in his limited time in Buffalo, and that's all He has done here. If You want to wax poetically about what He did 5 years ago on another team go ahead, but since He has left Chicago this is what he has done on two different teams.
    In Buffalo : 0 tds, and 1 int. In Pittsburgh: 5 td, and 7 ints. That's a total of 5 tds, and 8 ints....also a total of 2 wins. Yes wax poetically about how much better He is than a Guy that has 16 td, and 11 ints as a Steeler.....because only stubborn people, or Mason haters will believe it.
     
  8. SGSteeler

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    That is true. It is pretty much the sole reason why Trubisky didn't make it as a starter long term despite being 31-24 as a starter. He went 25-13 as a starting QB over his final 3 seasons in Chicago and still couldn't find a starting job the final year.

    But I don't know why that makes Mason better? Mason has less picks and a better ratio, but his INT % is higher in his career than Trubisky's 5 games starting as Steeler. So its not that Mason does a better job at making decisions, or avoiding interceptions. Trubisky's INT % is better than Mason's for his career by a good amount... but even IF we only look at what they've done as Steelers; they throw picks at virtually the same rate, so why should we trust Mason over Mitch? The stats just don't line up.
     
  9. S.T.D

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    Yeah makes sense. How many teams past on K. Warner numerous times .....numerous years. Boy they were correct....Oh wait....isn't K..Warner a HOF Qb. Hmmm:hmm:
    Wait....what about james...James Harrison.....He was passed on so many times He also almost quit football. Hmmm. This is not at all saying Mason is all that...(I just think Hes better than Trubisky)...all it's saying it just because teams passed on a guy means absolutely nothing. You know this.
     
  10. Tiggs99

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    Mason looked better than Rothlisberger for the brief period of game and a half before he got knocked out cold. I was thinking we may have a successor to Ben in that brief time. No one is arguing that that he wasn't horrendous when he came back. Pickett and Trubinsky have never looked as good as Mason looked before he got dinked. He also had a better college career than Pickett. It's not much hope, but its more than what Pickett or Trubinsky offer iMO. Living in Midwest, I watched a lot Bears game when Trubisky was a qb. He was booed off the town. It reminded me of an era when Mark Malone was Steeler qb and some guy drove his truck into something to protest QB play of the Steelers.
     
  11. S.T.D

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    You know someone doesn't have a leg to stand on when the must bring up what someone did ....two teams , 5 years ago, and can't back it up on what He's done for the two years He's been here. Hell, or what He did in Buffalo. LoL Hell let's add His last year in Chicago....7 tds, and 7 ints....now Buffalo...0 td, and 1 int.....now Steelers 5 tds, and 7 ints.....that's a total of 12 tds, and 15 ints in his last 5 years of play. Nobody see a trend Here????
     
  12. SGSteeler

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    1. Despite "****ting the bed" in Chicago, in his last season where he was replaced (2020) he was statistically better than Mason in every single category. Every one.
    2. You're "waxing poetically" on the past the exact same for Mason. Mitch was a starter in 2020 in Chicago, Mason hasn't won a game he has started since 2019.
    3. You keep bringing up stats from different teams as if they are comparable. The 2019 offense was a good offense. The 2022 and 2023 ones.... aren't. They are just as comparable situations as Mitch's time in Chicago is to this season's team. Not at all.

    The whole point I am trying to make is that win ratio and TD/INT ratio are the only stats that Mason has over Mitch's time in Pittsburgh. QB stats like INT ratio, yds/gm, yds/attempt, etc., don't paint the same picture. Statistically they've been fairly similar players if you only count the time in Steelers uniforms... but Mason played on an offense that would've been top 10 had he not been the QB, Mitch has played on one of the worst offenses in the whole league. Mitch would've killed it on that 2019 team. Mason would be unwatchable on this year's team.
     
  13. S.T.D

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    The 2019 offense was so good Ben didn't win a game, and had 0 tds, and 1 int.... Tell that to someone that didn't watch the games. LoL
     
  14. SGSteeler

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    That was his first year in Chicago, the 7TD/7INT year. His last year in Chicago was 16TD/8INT
     
  15. Tiggs99

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    2019 OL was plagued with over the hill vets. Duck was literally running for his life the minute he got the ball. Your argument that it was a top 10 offense is laughable. Mitch would have performed the same way he is doing now.
     
  16. SGSteeler

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    Yeah, the 33-3 loss against the defending SB champion Patriots. Injured the next game. Homie I watch the games.
     
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  17. S.T.D

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    Just answer one question. How come to defend Him You must go back 4 years, and two teams, and why doesn't the 5 tds, and 8 ints, and 2 whole wins He has thrown since He left adding Buffalo not show How what He did 4 years means nothing here. You talk about how great our team was in 2019. Ben won no games, and had 0 tds, and 1 int that year.
     
  18. SGSteeler

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    Wrong. 31-33-30-29-27. That's the age of the offensive line. Only one player not still in their prime and that was Foster.
     
  19. S.T.D

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    Yeah that amounts to no wins....no tds, and 1 int. Wow great offense going there. LoL.
     
  20. SGSteeler

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    What has Mason done the last 4 years? Why do we get to look at 4 years ago for Mason and not Mitch? Is it because Mason hasn't won a game in 4 years?
     
  21. S.T.D

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    Age has nothing to do with prime in football. LoL
     
  22. S.T.D

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    God dang You are thick.....because it on this freaking team.....not two different teams ago. There are actually people playing right now who played then. I can't believe I actually had to explain that. :shrug:
     
  23. SteelerNole

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    Kenny Pickoff is playing anyway, so . . .
     
  24. SGSteeler

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    Positionally it 100% does. The only thing that isn't age related that affects someone's prime is their injury history.
     
  25. Tiggs99

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