Why no JPJ or Jones starting?

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports...ey-porter-jr-mike-tomlin/stories/202310180046

Because it's "not the Steeler way?"

Well, gee, for double popsicle sticks crossed over, the "Steeler way" has been working so super great the last decade, just keep sticking with it it all and every aspect. I mean, we are 30th in offense and defense, so don't you dare let promising rookies start, even though they are clearly outplaying the starters in front of them, for no apparent, logical reason other than it's "not the Steeler way." Makes perfect sense to me.

Oh, I'm sorry, the truth is not "positive." I will make a post about candy a little later. That seems to ignite the board better.

 

I have no idea why but this is just awful.The steelers will not win or compete for the super bowl this year,so this is much better to play the young player over some veteran who struggle big time

 

Ok let’s look at Silverboob again

 

Troll

 

This should bring back some memories for Watt Wack

 

See, I told you the Steelers suck.

 

I wonder if Tomlin would have benched Ben his rookie year when Maddox came back from being injured?

I thought Jones earned his starting job because of his "In Stadium Play".

 

This is just being stubborn for stubbornness sake!
You had 2 weeks to prep the kid who just had his first start against a good Ravens line and graded out as one of the better tackles for the week. You spend it trying to get one of the worst tackles in the league back to play. Great development!

 

These decisions make little sense seeing how this team is in a rebuild and the Vets starting over them suck. It really feels like a MT move to maintain that .500 streak instead of developing young players.

 

Silverboob Silverboob

It's pity time for this kitty.

Every thread i've seen, from this dingaling

Soon that they may be gone away.....

 

Instead of looking at who's starting, look to snap count for players you want to see develop. So far JPjr has played about a quarter of the defensive snaps. It's not that he's not getting on the field and is just watching from the side, he's just not the starter. I think JPjr is the star of this past draft. I think he's going to be great. I also believe experience is huge at the DB positions and bringing him in where he can succeed is a better plan than just throwing him to the wolves. My opinion.

 

It's a timing issue, as you say, but to me JPJ AND Jones have already PROVEN to be the best we got at their position. Does that mean they will be mistake-free? No, it does not. But I bet dollar to doughnuts that both JPJ and Jones make less errors than their counterparts, Moore or Wallace (Or Pat Pete for that matter).

And, as we sit, this is not a team teetering on championship play; it's an average team, at best. (Our record may show us to be an average team but our play says "below average.") So this is a year to develop players and the majority of the way to facilitate that is to play them. And since we are not "holding our breath" to compete for a Super Bowl, there is no time "like the now."

There really is no logical, sensible reason to sit Jones and JPJ, other than just being stubborn and to try to "re-prove" the "Steeler way," a "way" that has got us nothing but hot garbage the last decade.

 

Oh, cripes, not this again: The reason JPJ isn't starting/playing more is because of the Steelers' infatuation with tackling, something that is clearly NOT a CB's prime job, covering is. And JPJ is proving top shelf at THAT role

https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2...s-joey-porter-jr-delay-starting-tackling-nfl/

JPJ has been virtually shutting down the WRs he covers, but let's go "brain dead" and focus on his tackling in practice skills. And you wonder why this team has been under-achieving so long.

 

Honestly, as much of his lack of brightness shows, I wouldn't be shocked if MT sat Ben when Maddox got back.

 

They should be starting…PERIOD…FULL STOP! At times I think Mike Tomlin makes decisions so he can show everyone that he’s the boss and he’ll do what he wants. I understand that a coach can’t make decisions based on what fans and the media want, but firing Matt Canada in the off-season should have been a no brainer. Starting Broderick Jones and Joey Porter, Jr. should be a no brainer because they are clearly better than the players starting in front of them, rookies or not! But Tomlin’s the boss and he is the ultimate enforcer of the Steelers way which has failed miserably over the last decade.

 

Yeah, they sorta do.

At least based on their overall performance this year. I predict that tomorrow they’ll either win 16-12 or lose 38-3.

 

You are, of course, right on the $ here. There is no legitimate, logical, reasonable factor for not starting Jones/JPJ. None, other than to show off that "he's the boss and things are done his/Steelers' way." Megalomania is part of the picture as well. And I still maintain Canada kept his job because he gave Dino the scholarship to MD, fact.

From Twitter:

Dukes
@MichaelDukes81
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Sep 19

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@ThePoniExpress
Why? Because Tomlin is being loyal to Canada for helping his son. Canada gave Tomlin's son Dino a scholarship at Maryland. That's why Tomlin will NEVER fire Canada. He helped Tomlin's son.

FireMattCanada
@FireMattCanada_
·
Oct 14

Replying to
@TribSports
People need to realize Tomlin gave the job to Canada and will not fire him. Why? Well, Canada gave Tomlin's son Dino a scholarship at Maryland. Tomlin isn't going to fire Canada for helping his family. Tomlin needs to go too.

 

Tomlin is just washed at this point.Keep Canada for another season even if the Steelers were still below average in scoring in the second of the season last year were the rock bottom and that hurts the Steelers big time Tomlin is a good coach if you want to avoid a losing season but at this point in his career, I think it's time for everyone for a change...Tomlin could be very good with another team but unless 'a miracle, it's going to be time for a change after this year

 

This 100%.

 

We followed up the 18 PPG of last season with a riveting 13 PPG in 2023. You can't make this stuff up. And it's not like we have excuses for being this bad: We don't have a 40-year-old QB who can't move to blame, we don't have a rookie QB to blame. We can't claim this team was "thrown together at the last minute" like Houston or some other near-expansion team starting from ground zero. No, we have NONE of those excuses. We are just a sloppy, undisciplined team that is managed like sh-t. No excuses. Zero. We have a megalomaniac at head coach who is allowed to just go along and protect his ego. And this is what that leads to.

 

I'm not so sure he'd do better with another team, in fact I doubt it. People act like his phone would be ringing immediately if he ever left the Steelers, I'm not so sure about that either.

 

I think Tomlin would excel with a new team, because he would be able to hire a brand-new coaching staff. You are not stuck with staff members simply because they have been there for years. There is no internal promotions when a new Head Coach takes over. To me, the Rooney's tie Tomlin's hands a lot when it comes time to Fire people; I think the Rooney's are the one that let a lot of coaches finish out their contracts.

How many people believe that if Tomlin were to leave the Steelers and go to another team, he would take either Canada or Austin with him?


Look at Andy Reid's coaching staff in Kansas City.

 

Good point....This is possible that it was Rooney who has decided to keep Canada

But overall, especially in the last 5 years, the Steelers have made a lot of poor hires in their coaching staff and they are paying the price.

 

To your first sentence, they have played well when given opportunity. I would like to see those opportunities increased maybe, but "best at their position" is not proven at this time. It takes time and patience to build anything.

 

"Born2Steel, To your first sentence, they have played well when given opportunity. I would like to see those opportunities increased maybe, but "best at their position" is not proven at this time. It takes time and patience to build anything."

I wouldn't say claiming they are "best at their position" on the team is out-of-line or inaccurate. Look at how Jones played and compared how Moore was ranked for this season play. Moore is ranked AT or near the bottom of OT play this season. Jones play was viewed as "solid" by every source I read.

https://steelersnow.com/pittsburgh-steelers-dan-moore-jr-regressed-2023/

JPJ stats have been otherworldly compared to all CBs on this team.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/joey-porter-jr-among-league-leaders-in-key-stats/ar-AA1i8pao