Big Ben’s thoughts on offensive ineptitude

Again apparently posted with reading what I said. LoL I have yet to defend Canada. Again saying a Qb is missing a open target is not defending the OC. It's pointing out the obvious. How is this so hard for You to understand. I thought the vehicle description with get throw some of the slower people. Just because you have a blown engine....will not make Your flat tires any less flat. Some of You actually make Me laugh. Seriously.
You funny people keep saying...I like Canada, and dislike Shanahan, and A. Reid, but when asked to show proof You can't. I wonder why that is???? Is it because I've never said it??? Is it because in voting of coaches....I put them both in the top 3???
You , and some of You read something, and then make up what you want to hear.
Again if you had actually read what I wrote that You quoted....it already answered the same dumb $hit that You replied to. LoL. I see the other guy that apparently can't read agreed with You. Show Me the proof either of you where I said Canada is good, and Reid, and Shanahan are bad.
.EXACTLY NONE TIMES.

 

Yeah...well someone show Me proof of anything they are accusing Me of. Just once.
You dang well know I didn't even want Canada hired, and not once did I say Shanahan, and Reid weren't good coach's. I didn't know saying targets are open = Canada is good. I didn't know saying Shanahans best two Qbs Jimmy G, and Purdy = Shanahan sucks.
I didn't know saying Reid only won a SB after Mahomes = Reid sucks.
Heck Ive said Ive though Bill Cowher was a great coach.....guess what....He didn't win a SB untill He got Ben....doesn't mean I think He sucks.
Hell there is actually proof where I said Canada sucks. There is actually proof where I said Shanahan , and Reid are top 3 HCs. So You tell Me.
Sounds like people can't read, can't comprehend, or don't try. One of the 3.

 

First, I agree that Pickett is terrible right now and he is a huge concern and the Steelers are going to have to look for a QB for the 2024 season if this continues...He is a problem but my point Canada gives him no favors too...Pickett's margin of error is very small in this system...every QB misses passes, yes there are QBs worse than others but it happens to all QBs

For Reid and Shanahan, it's true that it's very likely that you never said that they were bad but you are still very critical of Reid because he didn't win a super bowl before the Mahomes era even if he had won 60% of his games in 19 seasons which is hard to do....He had also been in the NFC title game 5 time in the 2000s, which was also hard to do...He was always a very good coach and he deserves also credit for Mahomes' development since Mahomes had several interception in college and he had a losing record in the NCAA(Because of the defense of his team but still a losing record)...He had incredible potential and talent but he also needed some coaching and Reid was perfect for him and the rest is history!

 

All things I agree with. Yet I don't see How We get I like Canada, or I hate Reid, and Shanahan out of it. I have also said I see KFP getting a little better every game. I have also said I think Cowher was an awesome coach, but He never won a SB without Ben. Doesn't mean I think He sucks. Yes Mahomes threw picks, but He always threw twice as many tds as ints even in college. Here. IMO I still believe A Reid, and B. Cowher don't win a SB without Ben, and Mahomes. In no way does that mean I believe either sucks at coaching. Like I said they had a poll on coaching earlier this year....Shanahan, and Reid both were in My top 3 coaches. I don't know how else to say it.

 

Do you know only 1 team won the super bowl each year?

We all know that Reid and Cowher did not win the super bowl before Mahomes and Ben so it's not necessary to say that every time we're talking about them!!

But at least I have more clarity on this!

 

Do you sit around your pad, play your guitar and argue with yourself? You seem to talk out of both sides of your mouth. But I’ve figured out that you are a contrarian and will take the opposite side of any discussion just to be argumentative. I think any logical person who has read your posts this season can see that you’ve put 95% of the blame on Kenny and you seem to want to absolve Canada of most of the blame. It’s a rational deduction based on what you’ve posted. Your implication has been that Canada’s play design and gameplanning has been fine but Kenny is just missing open receivers. I’ve readily admitted that Kenny’s play has been sub-par overall and he’s missed open receivers. But I’ve also maintained my belief that Canada is a very simplistic playcaller who hasn’t done Kenny any favors and has put him in positions to fail.

Here’s a challenge for you. You keep making reference to the fact that you didn’t want Canada hired to begin with so I’ll give you that even though I can’t find anything about that on this board when he was promoted to OC. I challenge you to go back and find one comment you made in any thread this season that talks about Canada’s deficiencies as a playcaller and how he is largely responsible for Kenny’s regression in year two. Go ahead…I’ll wait. I don’t believe you’ll find one. When challenged you always revert to “I didn’t want Canada hired, blah, blah, blah.”.

And if you disagree with me you’re a poo poo head and anyone that agrees with you is a poo poo head too! (See, two can play your childish namecalling game).

 

doo doo butt booger eaters
porcupine dodo birds.
The classics.
starting to like this thread now.
so much better than reading what our old skid mark crusty pant dumdum snotty head qb thinks.

 

Totally agree, but where is the guy they brought in to assist? I know to many Chiefs and all that, but the problem is and was real, beyond Canada there is a total lack of communication and or leadership. Perhaps he or the scheme is so bad no assistance can help, or it's just total disconnect of how bad the entire system is.

 

It took a while to convince me to click on a post titled

Big Ben’s thoughts

but he actually had a complete logical thought that sounded intelligent

 

Can you quote someone on here who has said Shanahan can take a QB who is not good and make him good? You continue to say that BS and not once have I ever read someone say that on here. I am on record as saying that certain coaches always seem to be good at certain things. For example, Mike Shanahan always had a strong running game. it didn't seem to matter who his RB or Oline were. Kyle Shanahan seems to be good at getting the most out of his QB. That doesn't mean Purdy isn't any good. Every QB in the NFL has a ton of potential or they wouldn't be there. Purdy has a ton of skills, as does Pickett, but some have more than others, some need more coaching than others, some need certain schemes to be successful, etc.

Nobody has said Shanahan can turn nothing into something like you continue to claim, nobody.

 

LoL , and Did I accuse them of doing so???
What part is hard for You to understand??? I have never accused people of that....so tell me how it would matter, or are You just writing to write???
I have been accused of not liking, and not thinking Shanahan, and Reid were good....I have been accused of liking, and wanting Canada.
So tell me why should I find a quote of someone doing something I have never accused them of. LoL. Just stop You have had a problem with Me since back in the day You accused Me of saying something that @SDOT said ,and You confused his handle with mine STD(and before You deny it ...I can bring that up), and now You want Me to show quotes of something I never accused anyone of. LoL Your a funny guy

 

Again how???. In our last top coaches vote/thread/poll. Tell me who were My top3. Hell I'll tell You.... Andy Reid, and Shanahan were both in there. Some of You just read, and then take what you want from what is actually said. Yes.....Shanahan is great, but No....I don't believe KFP would be as Good as Purdy right now under Him. Hell nobody has been as good as Purdy under him in the 49ers, but right in this thread there are people making that statement. That is what I'm pushing back on....Yes KFP would be better....I have said that time ,and again, but not what Purdy is right now better. I've had them same people say....well why wasn't Purdy taken as high as KFP. Like that means anything. You know this....There is a reason Purdy has done better than any Qb Shanahan has coached in the 49ers, and it's not all because of Shanahan....Purdy has a lot to do with it also. That's all I'm pushing back on. I can only hope You read this whole thing before commenting....it should clear it up.

 

I was listening to sports talk radio yesterday on my way home from work and Doug Gottlieb had Josh Lucas on, former director of player personnel for the Chicago Bears. He was asked if he thought Purdy would regress if he was not with the 49ers and his answer was yes. If Purdy was in a system where he had to carry the team a little more, Lucas didn't believe he had the physical tools to do it. Going back to his pre-draft analysis on Purdy, he said nothing jumped off the page about him but he ended up in the perfect system.
Now, two things about this. Purdy still has to make the throws and has shown that he can be patient enough to take what the defense is giving him and play within the offense that is designed for him. Also, Josh Lucas is responsible for drafting both Mitch Trubisky and Justin Fields so take that for what it's worth. Still, I believe he knows infinitely more about player evaluation than I do.
It is also worth noting that throughout many of the media outlets I read or listen to, analysts agree that Kyle Shanahan is arguably the best offensive mind in football today. That has undoubtedly helped ease Purdys introduction into the NFL.
The biggest thing about this discussion though, is that it's basically pointless. Until Purdy's rookie contract runs out or he somehow ends up with another team, no one will know what he can do without Shanahan. I, for one, think he is showing that he is a solid starting quarterback in this league but make no mistake, having that team around him is a benefit that not many NFL quarterbacks get to have.

 

Ok....So where is the argument??? Since I have said exactly what You just said???
Matter of fact ....I just pretty much said the exact same things in the post You just quoted....I just worded it differently. The one thread I'm referring to is the same one that @jeh1856 just put up again.
I do think it's funny that people remember really well what I've said... if I've been wrong, or if they don't agree , but people can't find, or remember things that I've said when Ive been right about something, or that We agree about something.
I guess selective memories.

 

This message board is very much like marital spats. Debates/arguments go on for so many pages that after a while, people start to forget what the original debate was about.

 

Again?

The thread I put up just came out if you mean the one about Tomlin

 

No it was one just like it.

 

Read this article ..Yes Purdy is playing well, yes Pickett is not good but they are in a completely different situation for the system and the number of times the receivers are open or not

 

By quarter in 2021:
1st — 2.1 (NFL #32)
2nd — 4.7 (NFL #30)
3rd — 3.4 (NFL #T23)
4th — 9.8 (NFL #1)

Thus far in 2023:
1st — 2.8 (NFL #21)
2nd — 5.0 (NFL #23)
3rd — 3.8 (NFL #18)
4th — 4.2 (NFL #26)

 

Has anyone read what Cowher said about Ben. He said Ben used to tap his helmet like there was a communication issue and call his own play and most of the time it worked. He told Cowher that the communication was good he just didn’t like the play.

 

OK, forget the problems with the OC. Forget whether or not KP is the next franchise QB. What if...we pay Ben to just come in and play the 4th quarter? I think that would work.

 

How many time in a season our QBs under Canada have a easy 20 yards or TD pass like that....With the 49ers,it happen in every game...Shanahan has so many layup for his QB!

 

Well I can't say for certain, but if You don't see the easy open guy....it doesn't help that they are open. I refer to the High School wide open Washington last week....not even a guy within a 8 yard range of Him, and the ball was thrown to a check down behind the line of scrimmage. That's just one play. Again this is not saying Canada is good. He sucks. This is saying we do at times have wide open taegets.