Big Ben’s thoughts on offensive ineptitude

Give him a little credit, Blast. He also pushes back when we trash Canada.

@S.T.D you've argued all season (or seemed to) that it's more Kenny missing open targets than it is Canada's play design. Could that also be the issue with Shanahan and some of the quarterbacks that have failed that he's coached? Maybe the play design has been excellent and the QBs have underperformed.

 

Quite frankly, I would like see that.

 

It will never happen - and probably should never happen - for far too many reasons, that I don't have the time to fully type out right at the moment.

But, let me put it this way: The cost to bring Ben out of retirement just so he can draw up plans as a full time job would be absolutely ridiculous. Like, there's basically a zero percent chance that he would come out retirement just so he could he paid anything less than something close to what he was making as a QB. And if the Steelers are looking to spend that kind of money, then they should at least hire someone with a proven track record as OC / who has real pedigree at that position. Ben drawing up plays on the fly in backyard football when a play is busted doesn't mean that he's qualified to be drawing up playbooks. It doesn't even qualify him to call up someone else's pre-designed plays from the sideline.

Now, do I think Ben would be better than Canada as a playcaller? In theory, yes. I mean, he most likely wouldn't be any worse than what we got right now - but, then again, the same thing could probably be said about any given JV coach.

Do I think the possibility of the improvement that Ben could hypothetically provide would be worth the arm and the leg it would cost to lure him out of retirement just so he could try, for the first time ever, to perform full time at a full time job he's never seriously done before?

Absolutely not.

 

To a small extent yes, I agree. QBs don't get to the NFL and need coaching on how to play the position though. If they need that kind of coaching, they don't make it to the NFL. The only coaching a QB needs in the NFL is how to run the offensive system they are leading. The rest they learned in HS and college. There are some continuing ed type things like team, coach, player tendencies but I don't think that's what we're talking about here. KP knows how to play the QB position. Brock Purdy knows how to play the QB position. That's not in question. It's what they are being asked to do and how they are being coached to do it each game day.

Learning the playbook and executing the plays as they are called, and being able to work within the system as the QB is the hardest job in the NFL.

 

Do You not actually read what I write. I have stated many times I think He one of the best, but I'm not like a bunch who thinks He can make qbs that aren't good into good Qbs. I have seen not a lick of that....not one time, and when I ask people for evidence of this ....nobody can give Me any. You are the one saying if another Qb was in Shanahan’s system He would be as good as Purdy. The only evidence we have is that Purdy looks better than any of the other 6 Qbs that Shanahan’s has worked with in the 49ers.

 

LoL. I believe none of You actually read what I write. Why comment on what I write if You don't read it. I have stated many time in this one thread(not counting other threads I think He's good) I just don't think He the magic man everyone says He is....if He was He wouldn't have had 7 Qbs counting this year in the 49ers, and only two have worked for Him. This also goes towards the people that agreed. How can You agree when I have said many times I think He is good in this thread, and in others I have claimed He was one of the best???
I guess they read like they watch football. LoL.
That last line made Me laugh.

 

You do know the plays can be abysmal, and still the Qb miss the open Guys. For instance let's use a Different Qb...let's take Lamar Jackson....everyone talked about dropped passes, but Do you know How many times he took off running, and had open Wrs ....yet He never seen them in that game, and a few times He threw short ,and had open Wrs deep. How could the Guy that didn't want Canada hired want Canada. You do notice You are the only one saying this. Why because. Most were on the board when I said how dumb the hire was, but a open target is a open target no matter who Your OC is. You can't find one person on Here that was on Here when He got hired that doesn't know I don't like Canada....Difference is I don't blame everything on coaching.....I myself have seen KFP getting slowly better, and starting to figure out the zone coverages. We shall see How much better.

 

If Kenny still can't grasp the whole offense at this point he will never get it. And if he cathrough a 12 yard curl he's not our guy. I believe he can comprehend it and it's the lame OC that is screwing this offense.

 

You must be new here, my post was in green font, I was just joking around.

 

I haven’t said he can make a bad quarterback good. What I have said is that he could take Kenny Pickett (a good quarterback) and make him a better quarterback and successful in his system. Could he be as successful as Purdy has been? I think he could be under Shanahan, but that’s a hypothesis that will never be tested and is left to a matter of opinion.

 

You don’t blame coaching, unless it fits the narrative you’re using to support your argument. You’ve spent a lot of time over the last few weeks putting most of the blame on Kenny rather than Canada, but when we try to give credit to Shanahan for elevating Purdy’s game, you seem to want to discount Shanahan’s role in his development and only talk about the players that he’s coached who have failed.

 

Well we don't know for sure if KFP is good , or not. We know He is getting better, and that's a good sign ....we know He is got a clutch factor, but a clutch factor only works when We can keep it close enough to work. This I do suspect....I have seen Purdy hang in the pocket, and in a spot, and Take crushing hits to deliver a strike. While I've seen KFP bail in those same circumstances, and that is My biggest concern. He bails way too quickly. In My day they called that gun shy. That was a big problem for a Qb. Sometimes You have to take a hit to deliver a great pass. Ever notice all His best passes is when He doesn't care ,and just steps up, and throws.

 

I loved Ben Roethlisberger as QB but I am sure if he would have had Canada as OC in his first two seasons, he wouldn't have been as good as he was since Canada is so bad....Better than Kenny right now?...Very likely but not as good as he was in 2004 and 2005 since the current Steelers offensive situation is an awful situation.And he is not alone

 

He hate Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan but he defend Matt Canada like crazy for some reason

 

Kenny Pickett has made a lot of great throws when he's getting crushed. I don't think his toughness is in question by almost anyone.

 

What??? That's stupid, and only stupid people would agree. Are You just saying dumb$hit to talk??? I will converse with you anyway. I've said countless times I think Canada suck, and that Shanahan is one of the best.
Just because I don't believe coaching is the be all end all like some do. I've played on teams with great coaches, and when some of our great players moved on We weren't as good....not because of coaching, but because the players weren't as good. I've fought for a great coach....who has had many great fighters....I happen not to be one of them.....didn't make the coach any worse. Your just talking to talk. Anytime I ask You to explain something....You change the subject. Just like the people who loved Canada when He was hired, and I said it was a $hit hire.....guess what all those people are doing now???? They say Canada sucks. Now. If they would have listened to Me then...., and not blamed Ben....maybe Canada would already be gone.

 

Yes all His best throws. I believe I said that.
Sometimes that's what it takes, and not bailing out of a clean pocket.

 

Come on STD. Cut the name calling. You’re better than that. We can have a debate without you calling me and others who agree with me stupid. That’s pretty stupid if you ask me. Your opinion is not the only one that matters and if you can’t honestly debate your opinion without resorting to childish name calling then go argue with somebody else. All anyone has to do to see that I’m right in my assertions is go back and read your comments over the last several weeks. It’s obvious that your arguments have been heavily weighted in putting most of the blame on Kenny instead of the abysmal coaching of Canada. For somebody that never wanted him hired (which I believe is true if you say so), you sure seem to spend a lot of time defending him on this board. I’m beginning to think that you’re not an honest debater, but simply an agitator who gets off on arguing. At any rate, take your petulant name calling somewhere else. I’m done.

 

That I am! Good to know!

 

I would be ok with Ben being OC if he wanted the job.

 

I find it hard to believe Ben has the word Ineptitude in his arsenal.
Entire thread based on BS.

 

Well I can't talk with people that can't read what I write....Yes it's stupid to comment on a post You apparently didn't read... just like the numb skull @Steelersfan43 likes to do. I have never once said Canada was good ....not once....if You can find one time I have said so ....please show it. Yet You keep saying I stick up for Him. It's ridiculous. Just because I point out open Guys doesn't mean I'm sticking up for Canada. I'm pointing out open guys. If Your engine on Your vehicle is blown....does that mean your flat tires are not flat??? I mean this is how some of You talk...so I guess that's how You must think.
As for other stupid responses like I think Andy Reid sucks, or Shanahan sucks....find Me one time...just once ...I've said that, but some of You go on, and on that I have. Matter of fact I've said in some threads, and votes they are in My top 3 coaches. Just because I recognize that Andy Reid never won a SB in all His years as a coach before Mahomes, and that Shanahan can't make even half of the Qbs He has had good doesn't mean I don't think they are good. Answer Me this. If I thought Shanahan wasn't any good why would I have said in many other threads We should look into who is coaching under Him???
Now enough of the Dumb$hit. If You people would actually read what I say, and not get butt hurt halfway through reading before responding......I wouldn't have to be writing this.

 

I never said that Canada is the only problem with our offense but he is still a major problem since he makes his players look much worse than they are. It's crazy you're so critical of Andy Reid (who makes A.J Feeley look good at times) and Kyle Shanahan who inflated Jimmy G's stats like crazy(same for other QB during his career) but you defend Canada like crazy....Maybe it's because you're a Matt Canada fan (I say that since you said the same thing about me about Lamar Jackson when I said the drops by his receivers weren't his fault!) but some news for you... Coaching matters!

Talent is also very important but it's the same thing for coaches....It takes both!...Not hard to understand but you want it to be more complicated than that like many other things!