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Big Ben’s thoughts on offensive ineptitude

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by JackAttack 5958, Oct 10, 2023.

  1. shaner82

    shaner82 Well-Known Member

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    It's because he's seeing a pass rush that isn't there. Don't get me wrong, the Oline isn't doing him any favours, but he's literally panicking in the pocket whether the rush gets to him or not. Because of that, he's hyper focusing on his reads, because his internal pass rush clock is going insane.

    I know there's not a lot of teaching in the NFL, nor do I think Tomlin is a good teacher, but Pickett really needs someone to spend a lot of time with him practicing pocket awareness. He needs to practice sliding around the pocket and not just bailing. He also needs a coach that can do his part to slow down the pass rush. Canada isn't doing him any favours with the play calls
     
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  2. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    Kenny should be better than Purdy. He was a first rounder on a lot of team's boards and Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant. So...why is Purdy thriving and Picket is still trying to gain traction as an NFL quarterback. Could it be, oh I don't know...COACHING???!!!
     
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  3. Born2Steel

    Born2Steel Well-Known Member

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    32 starting QBs, 32 backup QBs. Go ahead and check into where each was drafted. This should never be your measuring stick.
     
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  4. Arch Stanton

    Arch Stanton Well-Known Member

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    Problem is, I don't think they know either
     
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  5. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    I understand your point. But good coaching will always give a promising young quarterback an advantage. I think that's the primary difference between Pickett and Purdy right now. I don't think Purdy is appreciably better than Pickett and if Pickett were in Shanahan's system I believe he would be having more success. That's my only point. Teams miss on the quarterback position all the time but that doesn't change the fact that coaching can be a difference maker between success and failure. We see that play out before our eyes every week in the NFL.
     
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  6. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Some people just like to push back on the masses.

    Canada’s offense is historically bad. Keeping him is complete negligence.
     
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  7. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Why wasn't Brady a first round pick, why wasn't Kurt Warner even drafted, why did A. Rodgers last till the end of the 1st, Why was Josh R, Sam Darnold, and Richardson taken in the 1st round.....I could do this all day long, but I hope You get the drift. Reason.....because NFL teams make mistakes all the freaking time. With that said .....I do think KFP will get better, and I'm slowly seeing it, but when You are taken means absolutely nothing on the terms of will You be great , or not.
     
  8. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Have You actually watched Purdy play. Just in the Dallas game He made about 6 not just good passes, but awesome passes, and He isn't afraid of taking a hit to complete a pass.
     
  9. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    If this is true....please explain why the other 6 Qb that have played for the 49ers since Shanahan has been their coach hasn't done as well as Purdy???
    Please explain.
     
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  10. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    Purdy is better that Jimmy G but Jimmy G had also great number in this system.I mean they also make the NFC title game twice and been very close to win the super bowl in 2019....Matt Ryan won the MVP in the Shanahan system...Purdy plays very well, without a doubt, but he is also in an amazing situation, the best possible situation...Both can be true at the same time

    And yes, I'm not sold on Pickett right now, he's not playing well but he's also in a very bad situation right now...Both can be true too
     
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  11. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I mean Jimmy G did take them to a championship game.

    It took a 4th string QB to look bad. Other than that, QB’s seem to find success in his system.
     
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  12. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    They also make the super bowl back in 2019
     
  13. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Then explain the 6-10, 4-12, and 6-10 records when either Purdy, or Jimmy G weren't playing, and Jimmy G still has never done what Purdy is doing stat wise.
     
  14. S.T.D

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    Yes with Jimmy G....who is not as good as Purdy outside of Jimmy G, and Purdy the 49ers with Shanahan have went 6-10, 4-12, and 6-10. Strange how He couldn't work the offensive magic with the othe 6 Qbs.
     
  15. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    2017 and 2018, the 49ers were rebuilding and 2020, the 49ers had so many injuries like Nick Bosa out for the season very early...Jimmy G was still 5-0 in 2017 and only played 3 games in 2018
     
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  16. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Both right now are true, but let's not act like Shanahan is magic.
     
  17. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    sorry but Shanahan is magic and have also great talent in his team.Matt Ryan won a MVP in this system again
     
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  18. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Ok excuses....they just went to the SB 3 year before Shanahan took over....yet You are telling me they had to completely rebuild. The only true facts are...outside of Jimmy G, and Purdy Shanahan is 6-10, 4-12, and 6-10. All teams have injuries.
     
  19. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    They aren’t machines my guy. There is always going to be one better than the other but plenty of QBs have done well under Shannahan.

    Ben had some 8-8 seasons, that means he wasnt good right. Team sport.
     
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  20. S.T.D

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    YeahM. Ryan never had a good year without Shanahan. LoL. I'm not saying Shanahan isn't good, and can't make You better, but it's not freaking magic, or the other 6 Qbs would have been great under him. Geez
     
  21. S.T.D

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    All I'm saying is Shanahan is not magic like some are freaking claiming. Other wise He wouldn't have losing season with 6 other Qbs when Jimmy G, and Purdy aren't there. Can someone name Me one Qb that wasn't good at all that He has made great, or good??? Can't say Jimmy G because He was pretty good in NE, and was why they trade, and paid so much for Him.
     
  22. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    He's just lucky I guess. :shrug:

    I think most experts who look at Shanahan's offense will agree that his schemes are next level and he runs a very quarterback friendly offense. I don't think there is any doubt that Shanahan is a very good offensive mind. Who knows why it didn't click with some of the guys he's coached. Help me understand, are you trying to get the point across that Shanahan is not a good offensive coach? Nobody is saying Shanahan is magic. I'm just saying that he's a darn good offensive mind and he should be the template for the next Steelers HC hire.
     
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  23. Busman

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    Unfortunately, there are enough people who believe he is the answer. lol
     
  24. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Never said he was magic but he does seem to have a very good offensive mind. Don’t know why you push back on people so much when they compliment a coach. Listening to you people would believe you think they all suck.
     
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  25. Rush2seven

    Rush2seven Well-Known Member

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    The problem with Canada is, Ben’s comments were dead on, but they weren’t next level strategy stuff. He’s just commenting on the bread and butter plays that everyone except Canada runs.

    Kenny needs to develop. Canada is holding him back.

    The pressure he faces is also holding him back. Purdy looks better now, because he doesn’t have the amount of pressure Kenny does and has better plays for his playmakers.

    Once the defense started putting pressure on Lamar, he wasn’t as successful. They only had 76 yards in the second half.

    Peyton, Brady - Ben in SuperBowl 45, they all suffered under pressure.

    Better play calling and execution will show dramatic strides in what KP can do.
     
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