Fans want to fire Belichik

Just in case you thought Steeler fans were the only ones wanting a coach fired.

https://thespun.com/nfl/calls-for-bill-belichick-to-be-fired-grow-louder-on-monday

 

Hell every team that lost wants their coaches fired. This is why I don't listen to them.

 

It's more than a loss. Pats are 1 - 4. Patriot fans are getting impatient. They need a QB badly

 

I was wrong about their Qb ...M. Jones. I thought He would be better. Although....go look at Dallas, Buffalo, Ravens, and Broncos fans .....those are ones I've Heard screaming for their coaches heads. Fans are fans.

 

So Belichick was only as good as his QB. Did he have a lot of success before Tom Brady? Without a good QB it seems his genius is going away

 

Well He was the last Coach to win a playoff game for the Browns until we lost to them LoL, and He did go 11-5 one season without Tom Brady, and took M. Jones as a rookie to the playoffs, but Yes .....it hard for a HC to look good, and stay looking good without a pretty great Qb. We see it all the time ,but some don't want to admit it. Every one says what about Shanahan....LoL.....He's been a HC there for 7 years, and when Jimmy G was hurt, or He didn't have Purdy he has a loosing seasons without Jimmy G playing, or Purdy has has gone: 6-10, 4-12, and 6-10. How come he didn't scheme up for the other Qbs??? How well is S. Payton doing without Drew Brees, and so on???
It's hard without a good Qb.

 

Don’t try to use logic it only gets lost

 

Belichick is a good coach, the problem is that his roster stinks. He has built some very good teams in the past but his drafting and general roster building in recent years has not been good at all, particularly on offence. None of their receivers would start on any good team and Mac Jones is a low level starter at best.

The loss of Scarnecchia as Oline coach is hitting them hard as well since he left a few years ago. I was stunned when they gave Adrian Klemm that job, Steelers fans know all about him, predictably the Pats line is a disaster and they can’t run the ball.

 

More like hyperbole. No real fan of football thinks you can win without a good QB. No one is saying otherwise, literally no one. No one thinks Shanahan or any other coach can turn a slug into a pro bowl QB. Obviously Purdy has talent, hell, every QB has talent or they wouldn't be in the NFL.

It takes good players and good coaching to consistently win. Great coaching can somewhat hide player issues and great players can somewhat hide coaching issues, but you can't turn nothing into something. Sometimes it's just a matter of being a good fit too. Some guys can't play in certain systems.

This stuff isn't black and white and nobody is saying otherwise.

 

This x100.


Losing Brady was definitely bad. Losing arguably the greatest Offensive Line Coach in NFL History?! That merely adds another dimension of difficulty by itself. Add the porous drafting, development and Coaching Decisions that you outlined (Klemm was bad but having Matt Patricia as an OC is much worse than having Matt Canada) and this all equates to the situation Belichick currently finds himself in.



While it is fair to critique Tomlin for some of his own shortcomings within the past four seasons, Bill Belichicks has failures that transcend Tomlins much akin to the gap of Heaven and Earth. For that matter, Robert Kraft may have to make the decision to fire Belichick and jettison Mac Jones out of New England by seasons end should this continue. Given how horrific their Offense has looked (even worse than ours), it is fair to speculate whether or not if New England can win another game.

 

You really think he's worse than Canada? How does he still have a job

 

LoL. Do You even know what Hyperbole means???
LoL
If you actually do.....please point to the part that I specifically wrote that is. LoL. .....or is hyperbole to you something You don't agree with. LoL. . What's the next word You will use to try, and sound smart....woke, Strawman, or gaslighting. LoL

 

Patricia or Belichick?!


Patricia has never coached Offense. Matt Canada has. Now, Matt's strategies (or lack therof) are Offensively Offensive to the NFL Term that is Offense. However, Matt Patricia, coordinating an Offense?!?!

You are better off asking your neighborhood High School Coach!!

 

When I watched the football life story on Chuck Noll, one thing that stood out was what he wife stated. After the last SB win he told her it's doing to be a long ride ahead, we are getting old, have had low draft choices, and the talent is just not there. Along with that many of the coach's went to new opportunities, our draft strategy was old and we had been caught up to by many franchises. Whether it was Brady or not, the Pat's had an incredible 2 decade run, and you can't take Belichek out of that mix. The recent decisions are pretty telling, last year putting a def. guy in charge of the O??? He can still coach, but the changing league also leaves these guys behind quickly if they are not willing to change.

 

Yes I find it hard to see Bill figuring it all out, he doesn’t have the coaches around him to help, nor does he have the talent pipeline because of years of suspect drafting.

What do the Pats do? By all accounts Belichick controls everything including the draft board. Taking back any of that control won’t be easy but they almost have to do it at this point. I must say it gives me a certain amount of joy to see all of this unfolding.

 

I know it's been discussed on Dan Patrick's show, if they had a decent year he could probably get Shula's all time winning record next year, but how important is that to Craft??? And the way it's going it might be 3 years..or more yet, Craft himself is not young (though his mate that was with him is a good replacement for the massages he desires, lol.

 

Tons of players don't want to play there under him, either. That's a big problem. Even if he retires and they get a new guy, their fans are delusional. They will NEVER see times like they saw with Brady. Not even close.

 

Thing is, Noll's enemy wasn't his inability to change with the times as indirectly implied. Losing over 10 HOF Players is unreal in one sense. The entire division literally breaking out post 1980 is another. As recorded in NFL History, the entire AFC Central was the first of many reasons why Noll didn't recapture his success in the 1980s. The second wasn't so much the draft strategy (sans Huey Richardson) but specific players not panning out; highlighted by Gabe Rivera. As noted in Chuck Noll: A Football Life, Chuck Noll completed another Super Bowl Caliber roster for the next coach. Problem with Noll at that point was that his health sadly was starting to decline at that point.



Belichicks problem isn't so much that the League caught up to him; sans his division like Noll had to deal with. Belichicks massive failure stems from his own inability to get out of his own way as you pointed out. Success can be a two edged sword psychologically; the more one wins, the more one believes they can do no wrong. When they do, it usually is for a number of reasons or, in the worst case scenario, a major one. For Bill, Tom Brady was that major reason. Bill had not, has not and will not ever concede nor accept the fact that Brady is what made him into a Legendary Head Coach... among other aspects.


For that matter, take a look at it this way; Super Bowl LII was basically Bill saying eff you to Tom Brady. By benching Malcolm Butler, he forced Tom Brady to defeat Philadelphia on his own... and he damn near did it! Hell, Brady could have 8 Super Bowls as opposed to seven without Bill's own arrogance!



However, for Bill, that wasn't enough for Bill. After seeing Brady win his 7th, Belichick had the brilliant idea of getting rid of Mike McDaniel for a Coach who has never called Offensive Plays... ever. That clearly didn't pan out; screwing Mac Jones in the process.


In short?! The reason why the Steelers Dynasty collapsed was due to natural causes; age, injury, low draft capital and evolution of the NFL. The reason why the Patriots Dynasty has collapsed was due to Bill Belichick allowing his own arrogance to consume him; destroying the very relationship that allowed him to reach his plateau in the first place. Nothing more to it than that.

 

Exactly. That has always been His weakness. He doesn't draft well.

 

I agree, and the implication was not Noll was not able to change himself, but the organizational strategies were in flux. Memory is weak, but one year in the 80's the Rooney who was in charge of the draft/scouting department was let go, and a quote I remember from that time was in the 70's it was hard to know who to let go on cut day, in the 80's we did not know when to stop. So all that you said is correct, I think Noll still had it as a coach, but the talent level was impossible to replace. Watching old games in the 70's it was remarkable the depth, even the late 70's. Now this is before FA, but also remember commentators stating that we had no all pros or pro bowlers that came on the team after 74 during a certain time late in the 70's early 80's. Granted with THAT talent it was difficult for new players to make the starting line up, but when the downfall came it was evident that the efforts to get back to the top was not there. The Marino miss alone was not the sole cause, but with some of the teams Noll constructed I think we could say there might have been far better results.

 

Yeah, Belichek the GM has made some questionable draft picks. His trades all seem to have worked out over the years. He's always been very quick to get rid of guys if they don't buy in 100% to what he wants. All the talent he has traded away over the years and it somehow didn't hurt the team. The drafting is atrocious though.

We'll see if the game has passed him by or not, but I doubt it. I don't think the game can pass by a mind like that, but is he too stubborn to admit his failures and adapt? I think that's the question.

 

The Patriot fans don't understand... This is just Bill Belichick doing his thing and cheating his ass off to bring Caleb Williams to New England.

 

I dunno - I think I'd unhesitatingly trade Tomlin for a washed up, has-been Bill Bellichick. Love him or hate him, Bill's the sort of disciplinarian that this has been sorely missing in the post-Cowher era. Plus, unlike Tomlin, he's also got a good track record at finding top tier coordinators, with few misses. He also knows how to cheat - something which, given the sorry state of the Steelers current lineup - we might actually need.

 

For some of us believing that Belichick is going full on fast track to obtain Caleb Williams.... I wouldn't hold too much to that notion. Why?! Take a look below...





Remember that not too long ago, another coach by the name of Kliff Kingsbury said he would do anything to acquire the likes of Kyler Murray. He did... but we all know how that ended up. Fast forward to today and there is a reasonable assumption that Payton could do the same in terms of potentially netting Williams. Only one problem; NIL.


Williams can earn upwards up to $8-$10 Million in Revenue of NIL Money in 2024 should he elect to stay. In addition, he has already named teams he wants to go to; neither are the Broncos nor Patriots. Finally and, here is the big one, for the first time ever in NCAA FBS I History, top flight QBs have the leverage necessary to go against jumping to the NFL Level.



Now, none of the aforementioned is a guarantee that Caleb stays; far from it. All I am stating is that nothing is set in stone thanks in part to NIL.