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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by ljkjr74, Oct 4, 2023.

  1. ljkjr74

    ljkjr74 Well-Known Member

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    I know we all have been writing and hearing about the same old B.S. that MT has been giving out. Here are the changes he was talking about.


    PITTSBURGH -- The Pittsburgh Steelers are 2-2 heading into a critical Week 5 matchup with the Baltimore Ravens. Following their loss to the Houston Texans in Week 4, head coach Mike Tomlin said changes will be made within the team.

    He's now revealed the changes he's going to make.

    While the fanbase and analysts are talking about the offensive coordinator as the change they'd like to see, Tomlin is focused more on his team's production throughout the week. Therefore, the team will provide more physical practices in an effort to improve their play during games.

    "I was talking about the physicality component, or the lack there of," Tomlin said about his comments after the game. "It didn't take long for me to realize practice attire early in the year, but also, some matchup relate things. We're open to dividing the labor up more finely in an effort to get better play. To put people in circumstances that are advantageous to their skillset."

    So we can forget about changing coaches including and most importantly Canada. This is totally ridiculous and as I’ve said before MT needs to be first one to go.
     
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  2. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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  3. SteelersfaninPhilly

    SteelersfaninPhilly Well-Known Member

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    If go back through history. Steelers don't change coaches during the season. I think you have to go all the way back to the Cowher and Sherman days. Best case scenario Canada is stripped of play calling duties.
     
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  4. forgotten1

    forgotten1 Well-Known Member

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    BELIEVE!!!
     
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  5. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    If they are going to make a change it will be during the bye and they won’t announce it before hand. There is no reason for them to do so just throw red meat to the fan base.

    Having said that though, I really doubt they make an in season change. I’ll love it if they do.
     
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  6. OB1

    OB1 Well-Known Member

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    I like that quote.

    I am glad that he is finally realizing that coaches should put "put people in circumstances that are advantageous to their skillset. "

    I wonder how he came up with that one?? Maybe he took a coaching 101 seminar with the local kindergarten football team.
     
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  7. Frost33

    Frost33 Well-Known Member

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    I like to hope that this weekend is his last chance and any change that COULD happen, will happen after this weekend giving the team two weeks to bring in a new OC.

    I'm not delusional and believe this will happen, I'm just hoping it will.
     
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  8. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    So if We actually change everything.....will people put money on that KFP will be great then???
     
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  9. ljkjr74

    ljkjr74 Well-Known Member

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    Well if the Steelers are going to anything to get this team to play like a professional football team they have got to change there policies. I.E. not changing coaches when there not doing there job(s). And maybe replacing some people in the front office. Replace them with people that can make decisions. Drop the Rooney Rule. No I’m far from being prejudice. It is a good rule but it has are hands tied up. That has helped getting black players on teams along with being coaches. I really don’t care what color the players or coaches are. If they can’t do the dump them.
     
  10. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Why are you railing so hard against a coaching change? You hate Canada.

    Pickett is only part of the problem, they can fix other problem areas while trying to get Kenny right.
     
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  11. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I'm not....what makes You think I am???
    I'm for whatever make us better, but I have never made My mind up by what others think. People are smart by themselves, but when mob mentality takes over they become stupid. Like the same amount of people saying it was for sure Ben's fault why Canada scheme didn't work. Go back ,and look at what the media, and fans were saying then. Hell You remember.
    KFP is the Qb, and as McVay, A. Reid, Shanahan, Belichick, S. Payton, and other awesome OCs, and Head coaches have shown us its really hard without a great Qb. So all I'm saying is after we change all this are you certain KFP will be great??
     
  12. Clive From PIT

    Clive From PIT I'm starting to drink the Koolaid! Site Admin

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    I’m okay with a change just making him better.

    (Aside: I don’t bet money. Happy to go on record that I think Pickett would be better under a competent OC.)
     
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  13. blackandgoldpatrol

    blackandgoldpatrol Well-Known Member

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    Changes are going to be made.....
    First Tomlin says we're not gonna do the same things and expect a different result (insanity), yet, instead of starting Joey Porter Jr, at one of the outside cb spots, he's gonna keep trotting out burnt toast Levi Wallace and Patrick Peterson... sure looks like the same thing and expecting a different result to me..

    Then he places Keanu Benton ahead of Loudermilk on the DE depth chart... Meanwhile, Montravious Adams continues to be washed out in run defense.... Same thing and expecting a different result

    Obviously, Canada's still around and still calling the plays.... same thing for almost 2.5 yrs and expecting a different result

    I've never seen anyone say so much without truly saying anything except a politician or 2
     
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  14. S.T.D

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    Well I believe He could be better, but better, and great are two different things, and We all know most of the time it takes some pretty great Qb play to go far, and I'm just not sure He can be that. Not after this year. I would be proud to be totally wrong though. :thumbs_up:
    I just keep thinking about the whole Danny Dimes in NY. It was everyone's fault ,but Danny, and they changed everything, and brought in a great oc, and even paid Danny, and He still is the below average Qb He has always been.
     
  15. Blast Furnace

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    What makes me think that? Because you push back on every post that talks about a coaching change.

    As for Ben, I believe the narrative was we havent seen Canada’s system yet because we were under the impression he needed a mobile QB which was probably fueled by Tomlins love affair with Willis and his comments about mobile QB’s.

    And as for the highlighted part, as I just said to you in another thread, let’s put him into the best position to succeed and find out.
     
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  16. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for interpreting that for me. As I was reading it, all I saw was “blah, blah, blah, blah, blah…”.
     
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  17. JackAttack 5958

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    No, absolutely not. There are no guarantees that Kenny will be good, let alone great. But one thing is for certain, a change at OC needs to be made to at least give Kenny a fighting chance.
     
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  18. S.T.D

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    I agree, but I don't like to push blame that's all, and I don't like change just for change. Ravens fans, and MEDIA said Roman was holding Lamar Jackson back.... new OC, and this is his worst year passing. Media, and fans said Danny Dimes just needed better coaching.....Danny is still the same below average Qb as alway. I do want Canada for sure gone, and never wanted Him, but My eyes keep seeing open players that are not being seen, a qb that is bailing too fast from a pocket, and terrible throws when He does see them, and I have a hard time believing He will be much better no matter who is coaching...I pray I'm wrong.:thumbs_up:
     
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  19. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    Nope
     
  20. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    I have no idea at what some of you are watching in KFP right now?!?
    Apparently your eyes are seeing things that are not there. I said it once ill say it again, they need to sit KFP to regain his composure and learn from sidelines!
    KFP is so rattled right now he can’t process anything.
     
  21. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    After watching film of last weeks debacle in Houston, i will politely disagree with you.
    Kenny isnt seeing the field, not making correct reads, not waiting for wrs to get open, not seeing open wrs.
    Before you blame off line, these were plays with max protection. He had time to throw, yet he spins in pocket and runs right into traffic.
    That being said, i agree with a new OC. Problem is the new OC wont be on field running his schemes, it will still be Kenny.
     
  22. Busman

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  23. Wolfepack88

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    Nope, just good old fashion hope. Hope is a powerful thing, it can will people to do miraculous things and persevere through the worst conditions imaginable. Perhaps it's the first step to a better outcome, because right now I don't believe this team believes in what they are doing. We all turn that TV on for every game and hope that our team will win a game because it give us some joy in our lives.
     
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  24. AskQuestionsLater

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    Yet again everyone and, as I suspected, Tomlin isn't firing anyone for doing so would make Tomlin worse. If Tomlin wants to truly salvage this $#!T show of a near first half of the season, there is an alternative. I know for the fact that many of you who have seen my comments throughout this Offseason state it many times; strip Canada of his play calling duties while permitting him to have the title of Offensive Coordinator only.



    Now, I initially stated that Glen Thomas to take that mantle initially as he has more of a favorable contact with Pickett as he was recruiting him to play for Temple. However, given how close Mike Sullivan is to Pickett during game days and, much more closer to the action, I would recommend him. Now, being close to the action versus being in a press box doesn't hold nearly as much strategic value as others would believe. Ken Dorsey Jr is the OC in Buffalo and also operates from the press box. Now, he isn't calling creative concepts a la Mike McDaniel but he is doing more than enough to aide Josh Allen. All Josh needs to do is identify and act on the plays being called; just a few things to name.



    This all said, the major reason I did bring up Mike Sullivan as he is the one who works with Kenny the most; as stated above. Glen Thomas though can act as a relay between Sullivan and Tomlin for calls should he be in the Press Box. For me, having two sets of eyes from two different vantage points can allocate more data; streamling the play calling and making more swift adjustments on the fly. Now of course, seeing if Mike Sullivan can do a better job post the bye week assuming any of this happens would be top priority but the aforementioned hybrid approach could be a better solution.



    To sum it up?! Assuming Pittsburgh loses to Baltimore, give control of the Offense to Mike and have Glen Thomas *assist* with schemes. Matt can stay but his title is just that... a title and nothing more.



    Jettison Canada's ass at the end of the season should it work. If not, have Tomlin and Teryl Austin join him in lockstep out the door. Revamp any remaining aspects of the Coaching Staff if needed before bringing in the new HC, OC (assuming both Sullivan and Thomas are gone) and DC. Start anew.
     
  25. SteelReal

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    You make no sense period and actually come off as being pretty ridiculous. How are the Rooneys hands tied with the Rooney Rule when Tomlin has been here 17 years already? They are in no way shape or form obligated to keep Tomlin around because he's black and to continuously bring race into it when clearly its no longer a factor makes your argument baseless. If they were bound by the Rooney Rule couldn't they just fire Tomlin and bring in another minority figure??

    They hired him initially because he was just as qualified to be a head coach as anyone else and he proved that....not so much because he was black. If they did, so what? It worked out for them didnt it?? Idc what stupid azz comes along and says he did it with Bill Cowhers players. Bill Cowhers players had a losing record the year before he came. Do I think he needs to be fired? Depends on two things

    1) was Pickett his pick (because it was a ridiculously bad pick as a first rounder and unwarranted imo)
    2) any future unwillingness to cede future hires of coordinators to outside sources

    It has to be a combination of both those things not just one or the other. Hes too good of a coach, or at least far more pros then cons still to suggest a firing . I think theyll just let him ride out the rest of his contract and not renew if the current pattern continues, but if they let him go after year it is what it is.


    As far as im concerned Pickett was Colberts guy. Either way we all know a bad QB pick (especially first rd) can linger for years. Bad QBs can make or break coaches unfortunately. Thats just the way the game is. Belicheat is feeling the same type of pressure now that Brady is no longer around. None of us really know for sure (I don't think) if Pickett or Canada or Teryl Austin were strongly endorsed by Tomlin. It's mostly speculated that he did then a known fact it seems, but if it's true then it's either sink or swim for him depending on how the rest of this season pans out and if he continues to stick with either if there are no drastic improvements.
     
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