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Kenny not giving Steelers a chance

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Silverback, Oct 3, 2023.

  1. Silverback

    Silverback Well-Known Member

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    https://triblive.com/sports/mark-ma...isnt-giving-the-steelers-a-chance-to-succeed/

    He's not wrong. He just isn't.

    Compare Pickett to Stroud. Not even close, Stroud is the better QB, already.

    The Pittsburgh Steelers’ problems are many, and they are great.

    Most of you blame offensive coordinator Matt Canada. Mike Tomlin’s reputation has one ally remaining, namely widespread willful ignorance. Tomlin is a fraud. How many more flat starts do you need to witness? How many more years without a playoff win?

    But the greatest problem is Kenny Pickett. Pickett stinks.

    Pickett is no longer a rookie. His sample size isn’t small anymore.

    Pickett has played 17 NFL games, starting 16. He has shown just brief flashes: A few memorable drives, several OK games.

    But the numbers don’t lie, and they spell disaster for Pickett and the Steelers.

    In those 17 NFL games, Pickett has amassed more than 300 yards passing once. He has thrown for two touchdowns once. His quarterback rating has been over 90 twice.

    Compare that to Houston rookie C.J. Stroud, who badly outplayed Pickett in his team’s 30-6 victory against the Steelers on Sunday.

    In four NFL games, Stroud has passed for over 300 yards twice, thrown two or more touchdowns twice, and his passer rating has been over 100 three times.

    Stroud’s composure and delivery stand out above Pickett’s. Stroud seems to be making progress weekly, whereas Pickett makes none at all. Pickett is regressing.

    Pickett’s problems can be boiled down very simply: He just can’t make throws, not least when the throw is there. Calvin Austin III was open deep when Pickett served up a first-quarter interception Sunday. Pickett badly underthrew. Between inaccurate delivery and poor decision-making, Pickett doesn’t give himself much chance.

    The NFL is so largely quarterback driven, and Pickett might be the league’s worst.

    Would Pickett do better with a different offensive coordinator? Here’s betting you think so. I’m not so sure.

    If you think Pickett will be fine, you’re ignoring stats and what you’re seeing. He provides no cause for optimism short of snatching at extremely small snippets like a decent pass or a successful series. He’s played 17 games and mostly done terribly.

    Maybe the problem was drafting Pickett, especially in the first round.

    It took Pickett five seasons at Pitt before he broke through to be outstanding in the last of those. He was average before that, less than average since.

    If not for the NCAA mandate granting an extra season because of covid-19, Pickett isn’t anywhere near a first-round pick. Maybe that fifth campaign at Pitt was an outlier.

    Pickett being a first-round pick makes this harder to solve. It’s difficult to abandon that. Looks bad for the player, even worse for the team.

    There’s no ruling out Pickett turning things around. But given what’s happened so far, it would come out of nowhere and after a lengthy period of being excrement.

    But you’ll keep pretending. So will the Steelers.

    That’s where the real trouble might start.
     
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  2. Madmike77

    Madmike77 Well-Known Member

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    Meh. If he's still sucking then replace him at the end of the year. The Steelers are going nowhere with or without Pickett at the moment. The team will be rebuilding for a while.

    What you don't want is a Daniel Jones/ Ryan Tannehill situation, where you wind up giving a pretender a big contract.
     
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  3. pczach

    pczach Well-Known Member

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    Typical Mark Madden. Sure Madden, don't break it down and explain to everyone what Pickett isn't doing well and explain how to fix it. Just spew a bunch of his opinions and throw in some stats that really don't mean anything without context.

    If he wants to compare Pickett to Stroud, that's fine. But how does that prove that Pickett can't play football.

    Tell us about his mechanics. Tell us that he can't read defenses. Tell us about what he does well or doesn't do well within the scheme. Not a single technical explanation about the sport.

    But no. Just mass generalizations and stats to get everyone worked up and click on his hateful nonsense. Mr Hot Take to get clicks. This guy is a joke.
     
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  4. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Just chilling

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    Quoting Mark Madden

    :facepalm:
     
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  5. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I agree, but it's no different then some quoting tick takers, or xers, or what ever it is.
    I mean I put up a break down from a YouTuber, but I have not once asked anyone to listen to what He says. Just watch, and see. I have never understood why someone must tell someone what to see. Just look dang it.
     
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  6. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Just chilling

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    The examples you mention are not well known buffoons

    Most people would not want to be associated with such
     
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  7. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    You mean they are not yet well known buffoons. LoL
    Give them time. LoL.
     
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  8. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    By the way @jeh1856
    How long have You been back, and are you happy to be home???
     
  9. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Just chilling

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    Got back a couple of couple of days ago and it was a fantastic trip

    But it’s always nice to get back into your own bed

    My next big trip is to ride trains around Switzerland probably spring 2025 I’m going to work on that while at the beach in month
     
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  10. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    Wait a minute…you take a vacation to the beach to work on your vacation to Switzerland? :hmm:

    Living the life, lol. ;)
     
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  11. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    You are a very lucky man, or should I say....You have done well for Yourself. I'm pleased to hear that.
    I had a chance to visit Liechtenstein before, but I chickened out. My long time friend that lives there said We would visit many of the places You named..... because they weren't far away. I also have family that goes back to Italy every year, but I told You that. They never ask Me. LoL They just send Me pictures, and Videos, but they always go to southern Italy, and Sicily .
     
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  12. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Exactly right:thumbs_up:
     
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  13. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Just chilling

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    Funny you say that I checked and after leaving Zurich going to Interlaken there is a nice town half way and from there it’s a short bus ride into Liechtenstein
     
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  14. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    My wife and I are planning a trip for the Spring of 24. Possibly 4-5 days in each of France and Germany sandwiched around a couple of days in/through Switzerland, likely traveling by train. We’ll see. We’re at the early planning stages at this point.
     
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  15. Silverback

    Silverback Well-Known Member

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    Weren't you just complaining about off-topic discussions being on here today? Last I checked, posting about vacation trips were not related to Steeler football, as a matter of fact, it's not even related to NFL football, or even football, or even sports, for that matter.

    For future posting, subjects such as your personnel vacation trips should be posted here:

    http://thesteelersfans.com/forums/forums/the-watercooler.9/
     
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  16. Silverback

    Silverback Well-Known Member

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  17. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Just chilling

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    I’m not paying rent for the space I seem to be taking up in your head

    Glenn used to ride around in some guys head with a motorcycle
     
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  18. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Just chilling

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  19. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Just chilling

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    No

    I wasn’t

    This happens regularly here usually when the OP is lame
     
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  20. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Just chilling

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    I can get to London for free and I just saw I can take a train from London to Paris to Zurich

    Possible making a few days at each

    Although I’ve already done Paris
     
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  21. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Sounds like a plan. I’m a bit indifferent to visiting Paris, but that’s my wife’s #1 target. She’s been multiple times before we met, and wants me to experience it. I’m more interested in the rest of the trip.
     
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  22. SteelerGlenn

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    That’s what happens when people get sick of the same person posting “see I told you the Steelers suck” threads.
     
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  23. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Just chilling

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    Paris is good for a day or two

    It’s a old city and everything you want to see is in walking distance

    And there is a hop on off red bus
     
  24. Vox Ferrum

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    This...at this moment anyone can see KP is not 'the guy', that said if he gets some help and and emerges as the better version then you have another year to work with, but that window gets shorter with each passing week. We may not even get to this stage with him, but at the end of his 3rd year you have to make a decision on his 5th year option, that alone is not a CAP killer long term, but it delays yet again. Even if he improves, are you ready to invest guaranteed money on performances like the 2 guys you mentioned?? I did not think this would happen, but it is possible 5 or even a couple more QB's come out next year with a 1st round grade, not all will make it, the stellar are likely going to be out of reach, but they need to do diligence in scouting that position as one of need.
     
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  25. Silverback

    Silverback Well-Known Member

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    What's this have to do with Steelers' football?
     

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