Tomlin defenders are dillusional

I have a serious question, does Tomlin have the authority to fire Canada? I don't think so, the Rooney's have their fingers on things more than they let on.

 

Last 5 yrs

 

This is soooo old, yet still hilarious. New coaching standards,
Dont have to win division
Dont have to win playoff game
Dont have to make playoffs
All you need is a winning record in regular season!
Standards are definitely lowered.

 

Sort of

Years ago Cowher went to Dan Rooney and said he couldn’t work with the GM and said one of them needed to go

Cowher fired at least one OC mid season

But this is a different Rooney

For what it’s worth Canada’s contract runs out this year and they stated they kept him for continuity with KFP

Those do not appear to be factors at the end of this season

 

I've felt the same, and one of the biggest sticking points has been his inability to at least hire good coordinators. Tomlin has never been a good X"s and O's guy, but his inability to hire guys who are further brings the team down.

Hopefully Khan is more aggressive and recognizes the talent isn' likelyt to play to its potential under Tomlin's regime.[/QUOTE]

 

I don't know who does the hirig and firing of the OC, but the Canada experiment should be ended. Also, if Pickett doesn't shape up, he should be benched too.

 

Not a factor at all! If KFP had any potential the Steelers organization has ruined it!

 

I said this all along, you are playing a qb in fear of his life on every snap. Yet they continue to keep him in the fire?!?
Let him sit and learn on bench, he can learn to read opposing defenses better. Let him calm down, but unfortunately they left him in a play to long to get hurt.

 

Spot on, been there with ya even longer. It like we need the perfect storm to win in spite our coaching ineptitude. I think KP sucks right now, the O Line sucks right now and the coaches are not improving our players our ownership is not going to risk the wrath of the media and the current cancel culture to clean house. I think perhaps at the end of the season they ask him to move on and he announces it. No way they just fire him, if they do then I have hope that ownership has woken up from their long blindness. When the proverbial replies come who do I want, I don't care lets' go after somebody new because the current chef isn't cutting it. All coaches need a change at some point. Hoping the change Canada at the bye and begin the process. With Kenny down why the f not.

 

With this injury they have the perfect cover to do that. When the Defense started to quit on plays that is a problem because they don't believe in the offense.

 

Cancel culture= lower standards

 

To be entirely honest, I had very serious reservations with hiring him to begin with, but I was willing to give him a chance - especially after winning SB 43. Yeah, he won with Cowher's staff and players, but a SB win is a SB win.

However, I definitely wanted him gone after 2011, it had, by then, become painfully obvious that his many serious coaching deficiencies could no longer be ignored: the piss poor clock management, non-existent game preparation, the consistent absence of discipline among players and staff, the invariably bad penalty challenges, the appalling lack of real time situational decision making skills, the lack of in-game adjustments, etc.

Even worse is that he seems entirely ignorant of his shortcomings, and has demonstrated little (if any) capacity to learn from his mistakes and failures. In fact, of anything, I think Tomlin's only consistently regressed since his height in 2008. To be frank, I can't recall a head coach with such an appalling array of poor coaching metrics be allowed to continue for as long as he has.

As such, one must conclude that the Rooneys are either too ignorant to see how middling he is - or - they're simply too afraid of getting social media/political backlash for firing a prominent and well respected minority figure (with the latter possibility being one of the major reasons for why I fear that, no matter how bad things may eventually get for the franchise under his watch, Tomlin will likely remain here until that day when he decides to finally hang it up).

 

I used to be a staunch Tomlin supporter but after this season and this game I can no longer make excuses for Tomlin. A perfect micro example of the Steelers lack of coaching and player development is Kendrick Greene. How does he look like total garbage on the Steelers and completely adequate with the Texans?

the fact none of our Rookies are starting is a prime example of Tomlins stubbornness. The fact we keep promoting coaches within is a prime example of Tomlins stubbornness. The fact Levi Wallace is still starting over JPJ is Tomlins stubbornness. The fact we still have Canada is Tomlins stubbornness.

Rooney has to step in and demand BOTH Coordinators be replaced. I get Tomlin likes to micromanage the defense so we will never get a good Defensive Coordinator unless Rooney steps in. On Offense it has to happen now not at the end of the season.

when are real legit changes going to take place in this organization? For some reason we either are resistant go bring in true coaching talent or we are incompetent in evaluations coaching talent. I seriously believe a part of this issue is Tomlins Ego. For some reason he loves to micro manage the Steelers defense. His defensive teams have woefully underperformed for the most part over the years in two areas specifically. 1. We can not stop the run. This has been going on for far too long. It starts with the scheme and the lack of true defensive line depth. We Have to get BIGGER at DT. I keep on saying it - Montravius Adam’s is far too small to play NT. Teams consistently push our line back and get a five yard push with the run game. I am so tired of the gap penetrating quick and smallish DT’s that Tomlin seems to love. It just doesn’t work.

The second issue with Gomlin Defenses is we can not stop the pass. We never have been good at it under Tomlin accept in the Lebaue days. Not only do we give up sustained drives but we give up chunk plays on a consistent basis.

I feel like our defense is completely reliant on sacks and turnovers, the the detriment of giving up sustained drives and big chunk plays in both pass and fun games. It just gets very old.

on the offensive side I just don’t understand why we can’t get offensive coaching talent. I understand why guys wouldn’t want to coach under Tomlin on defense and be micromanaged but I don’t think he micromanages the offense. I think he is either completely inept on offense or us so loyal his judgment us clouded with reference to his begrudgingly sticking by Canada.

you would think he could at least get some innovative offensive coaches here but for some reason he hasn’t been able too. I think there is some ineptness on Tomlin on evaluating the OC’s. Either way it needs to change.

it’s nearly impossible to evaluate any of the players when the coaching us do bad. It looks like so many of these players have taken a step back in their development this year, KP, Friermuth, Oline. Canadas offense could be amazing on paper, but if the players aren’t playing well within the scheme it is obvious something is off? Is it too difficult to block for? Are the routes taking too long to develop putting pressure on the oline and QB? Are we coaching the players up within the system appropriately? There are so many questions.

 

Canada needs to go asap

Tomlin should go at the end of the season. They need to upgrade the coaching staff to compete with these others teams. The smallest staff in the league is not cutting it.

can’t expect to overwhelm other teams with your superior talent- that’s not working anymore. Those days went with Ben.

 

What's absolutely insane is that ownership apparently values "contract loyalty" over the success of their first round draft pick - aka the person that they hope will one day emerge as the Steelers next franchise QB. Although I seriously doubt that Kenny is that guy, the organization clearly wants to believe - do why don't they act like it?

Whatever the merits of selecting Kenny may be - and, let's be honest, whatever few there was appear to evaporating at rapid pace - he's the guy they wanted to roll with and they almost certainly are not going to bench him anytime soon. So why they hell are they so much more concerned with being "fair" underperforming coordinators and coaches in the name of "loyalty", when actual football players cost more to keep and are, by and large, in FAR shorter supply.

Anyone who says there "literally" aren't any coordinators who could reasonably replace Canada is being ridiculous. There are definitely, even now, far more candidates available for that position than there are people who can be a competent Quarterback. Replacing Tomlin midseason would be much more difficult proposition, obviously, but if the Rooneys have any hope of restoring their team to its former glory, they would be shopping around at the end of the season and pay top dollar, if necessary, to get someone who can actually inspire this team to play up to the level of its talent and potential.

But, history tells us time and again that they probably won't get rid of Tomlin. Heck, assuming they don't lose out the rest of the season, there's probably a nonzero chance that Canada and crew will be once again before the miraculous beneficiaries of yet another round of unwarranted and undeserved contract extensions.

 

Tomlin did not get the usual contract extension in the offseason. They tried to downplay that but I think it is significant. He won’t be here past 2024 if he makes it that far.

 

Very significant

And you have to think Kahn the GM had a lot of influence on this

 

Yes, but the players all love playing for him. JMO>

 

I don’t care if players hate playing for a coach if they win that’s all that matters the results!!

 

I agree with your assessment, although I think that putting faith into ARII's capacity to fix what's broken this team is more or less an exercise in futility. The Steelers under his ownership has been an absolute joke. In fact, Tomlin's stubbornness is second to the Rooney's incompetence. For all we know, the ownership is the one who keeps the Canadas on this team. Like I said elsewhere, the buck stops with them. If they don't let go of Tomlin at the end of this season, which is when his contract ends, then nothing will likely change any time soon, unfortunately.

 

These poor players are doomed.

 

If that is not significant enough, here are the other Coaches on the team currently who will or are likely gone in 2024. They are as follows;


1.) Matt Canada: The sooner, the better. If he somehow, someway, survives this latest debacle, he is gone.


2.) Teryl Austin: In 2022, Austin signed a two year, $27 Million dollar deal per this article. Given how horrendous this Defense has played (though leaving them for literally 75% every single game doesn't help), it is fair to suggest he will likely be gone.


3.) Danny Smith: I sadly did not find any sufficient information regarding his contract status. That said, given how he was hired under Tomlin in addition to Kahn and Weidl running the show, he is likely gone.



Mind you, all of these Coaches' contracts expire in 2024 (possibly Smiths but again... cannot find evidence of it). Tomlin's Contract expires in 2024. This just cannot be coincidental.. at all. Add in that, again, this is a new regime led by Kahn and Weidl, all signs are likely pointing to a new era in Pittsburgh.

 

From your mouth to God's ears ,Please!!!!!

 

Stop. You're giving me hope - something which, with this team under Tomlin and ARII, has only inevitably led to sorrow and disappointment. But, obviously I hope you're right and it's not all a coincidence. Here's to hoping!

 

I don’t think anyone is defending Tomlin at this point.