O-line and Pat Meyer

First off, I believe Meyer is just as much to blame for our putrid offense as Matt Canada..
I don't know if anyone noticed, but seone takitaki's sack on Pickett was the exact same blocking scheme that resulted in Pickett's 2nd concussion last season, and Isaac Seomalu did the exact same thing that got Kevin Dotson in so much hot water..... It seems to me that not only do defenses basically know what play we're running all the time, they also know what blocking scheme we're using as well... Canada may not be the only coach that needs to go

 

I had to watch the game on my phone at work and sometimes had to actually work so I may have missed this play. Is it the same one where a huge gap opened between the center and left guard where Cole makes a half hearted attempt to chip with Daniels and immediately slides up to the second level but didn't identify the MLB who had gone right past him? Either way there is a serious problem with all phases of the offensive coaching, scheme, and play design.

 

OL looks like **** first 2games, when in doubt, fire out!

 

I do t remember that part, but on two occasions the rb was set to the left and instead of chipping they just released and let the defender run past. Once was Warren and once on Harris

 

I think the one B&G is referring to is when Warren was sidecar on Pickett's left and he was supposed to release into the flat and he was so into his play responsibility he missed that gap opening right in front of Pickett with Takitaki coming through like a freight train.

 

Execution is paramount for certain. Issac hasn't looked like the rock solid Guard that he was in Philly. That said, it is important to remember that James Daniels didn't exactly start out well either a season ago; under this very same Pat Meyer. While Andy Weidl knew of Issac, the same cannot be said of Pat Meyer.


Jeff Stoutland was the one who trained and developed Seumalo. For that matter, Jeff Stoutland is either the best or second best Offensive Line Coach in the past 40 years ; Dante Scarnecchia being the other. Going from him to Pat likely isn't as easy as it sounds.


Granted, Issac and the rest of the line have been together thankfully since the start of Training Camp. That said, this is the Regular Season; two games in no less. Like James Daniels before him, Issac Seumalo will figure it out.



For me personally though, execution on blocking is apart of a successful Offensive Play Call. Having an Offensive Play Call placing your weapons into winnable situations is another set of circumstances all together. Even if the blocking does pan out well, depending on the Play Call, the blocking schemes may not mesh well with the design; Najee's failed two point conversion being the highlight of this.



In short?


Pat Meyer is the least of my worries after playing musical chairs with Offensive Line Coaches; first OL Coach to serve in his second season since Mike Munchak. Yes, the overall execution of blocking as a whole needs to improve. The Offensive Play Calling?!?!


That NEEDS to have a change

 

Is that the play Warren didn't pick up the blitz, he just ran a route instead?

 

Yeah, I think the reporting was that Meyer isn't that strict "You must use my technique!" Guy that most think he is. A few of the guys have said that if you're not comfortable with what the technique he's asking of you is, he lets you use what you are most comfortable with.

 

He didn't even run a route he was the safety valve. He just kind of stepped to the outside..

 

Team, QB, RBs, etc will only get better if the offensive line starts hitting their blocks and assignments are made.

All this squabbling about not being good enough (naj, kfp, muth) is water cooler fodder.

However, some of you live to die on the hill.

The one consistency is Canada. Scheme sucks.

 

This is what feels like watching this line

 

Well from what I can see He has about the same amount of time behind the line as most Qbs.
Edit: I just checked , and He has better pocket time than Lamar, Dak, D. Carr , CJ Stroud, Purdy, and Josh Allen....just to name a few.....not as much time as.....A. Richardson, Pat Mahomes, Jalen Hurts, K. Cousins....just to name a few

 

https://steelersdepot.com/2023/09/t...now-merril-hoge-rips-steelers-offensive-line/

Couldn’t agree more. Run game is broken….

I’ve also gone back and watched the All-22 it’s so obvious a novice like me can see Cole sucks, Isaac sucks, both OT stinks, Daniels, please, he’s no DD!!

I had high hopes with Meyer, but with him, Austin and Canada I’m fearful a SB anytime in the next 5 years will be lucky so maybe now is a time for the Rooneys to make a complete overhaul of the coaching staff.

I like Tomlin but he just hasn’t hired and/or developed a coaching staff Champions are made from……… and THAT is what matters most!!!

Cajun

 

The OL started slow last season too, we have to hope they can do the same this season.

 

I don't know about Isaac. Cole is consistently not picking up his assignment. Especially on those d-line shifts and stunts. Isaac at least slides and picks up the guy that slid. Cole is usually standing there supposedly getting to the second level but blocking no-one while spinning around looking at the tackle! It looks like they're just trying to run the play the exact way it's drawn and putting way too much emphasis on the initial footwork to get there, while the defense is dictating they do something else, but they can't compensate for the change. Like they're stuck in that "Now what do I do?" mode when the defense isn't where it's supposed to be on the snap.

Seems the breakdown is Cole and Daniels in the middle. Don't know why they regressed though.

 

If Cole continues to struggle, do they make Herbig the starting center?

 

Is Herbig healthy? I know he was dinged up at the end of camp

 

That would be a huge shift for Tomlin. I mean they had Jones practice all week at RT because Chuks might not be cleared and then true to Tomlin's mantra you don't lose your starting spot because of injury and sure enough Chuks is cleared and started when maybe they should have given him a week off to make sure he was 100%. I can't remember a time where Tomlin has pulled one of the trench guys for ineffectual play before.

 

This. It's also why I was scared of changing any of the starters this year.

 

I read a long time ago that the Steelers wanted to change the blocking scheme but couldn’t because of Dotson and that is why they brought Seumalo in

Is this growing pains or a bad idea

 

We can't afford to start slow, the AFC is just to tough, you have to win early and often.

 

We suck on both side of the trench. Last in rushing D, second to last in rushing yds, second to last in total offense.

 

The line gelled late last season. . This is the exact same starting lineup except for seumalu... there is absolutely no excuse for basically the same lineup to start slowly again

 

Eagles have/had better Tackles and Center to help Seumalo.

 

True.


That said, never underestimate the power of coaching. For that matter, Karl Dunbar is an excellent example. Where ever he goes, Pro Bowl Defensive Lineman follow in his wake. DeMarvin Leal is much better this go around than he was in his Rookie Season and Keenau Benton is growing rapidly with each passing game. I wish I could say the same for Loudermilk but he just gets beat too often. Armon Watts though has been rock solid.