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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by steel_ben7, Sep 11, 2023.

  1. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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  2. Formerscribe

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    That. Is. Your. Questionable. Opinion.

    See? I can do that, too. A better plan would have made a difference. Not giving up on the run almost immediately would have made a difference. If you put a quarterback in a bad position, especially a young one, it is going to affect the quality of play. You know enough about the game to realize that.
     
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  3. METALMAN_68

    METALMAN_68 Well-Known Member

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    10 rushing attempts is a freaking joke. Kicker is, they averaged 4.1 yards per carry but that is probably inflated by Najees long run. San Fran averaged 5.5 but McCaffrey had his long run as well.
    Now, to play devil's advocate, I don't know how many of those rushing attempts came in the first few series when the game wasn't out of reach. Also, to be fair, Steelers fans would have lost their mud after several 3 and outs with 3 straight runs but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have tried it.

    Using the passing game to open the run game seems counterintuitive to what the team was trying to strive for which was getting back to smash mouth football. Especially with a second year QB in the first game of the season against one of the best teams in the entire league. Almost as if the Steelers thought they might catch the 9ers off guard by coming out throwing. The whole gameplan just felt wonky from the jump.
     
  4. Steelpens65

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    Unfortunately Coach T got a lifetime membership with Steelers. Plus coach T too ignorant to understand he is part of the problem. Oh my bad, coach T never had a losing season.
     
  5. S.T.D

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    Some one explain to Me how You stay running the ball when every 3rd, and long Your Qb misses a guy, doesn't see a guy, or throws a int, and Your D is giving up points on almost every drive.
    You know people made fun of Ben when we ran all the time back when he was young, but something they never took into consideration was when it was not a manageable running 3rd down ....He would make them so we could actually keep running the ball. You must convert 3rd downs to keep running the ball.
     
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  6. METALMAN_68

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    10 times. They ran the ball 10 times. That's not enough and you know it. You just don't want to admit it.
     
  7. S.T.D

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    Again explain how You do it...I promise if we didn't go 3, and out on like our 1st....I believe it was 5 drives we would have run more. You can't run very often on 3rd, and long many times. So You must convert 3rd downs. Its really that simple, and in top of that the defense can't be allowing points on almost every drive You are not converting 3rd downs.
     
  8. METALMAN_68

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    They supposedly built the offensive line in the offseason to run the ball. Get back to fundamentals. Second year QB in the first game of the season against one of the best teams in the NFL. You run the ball. If you can't run the ball, then you didn't build the team like you thought. Either way, 10 running plays is not enough.
     
  9. S.T.D

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    You are talking to the Guy everyone makes fun of on Here because I believe in running the ball, and playing great D....no matter who the Qb is(I believe 30 - 38 passes a game should be more than enough), but You have to convert 3rd downs to do it.....I believe We were 5 of 15 on 3rd downs, and 1, of 4 on 4 downs, and I think 3 of the conversions were running ones, but You can't run on 3rd, and long very much....the Defense plays also. Also they were begging us to throw it.....,and so will most teams until KFP can back them off.....especially when our own D is giving up points every drive.
     
  10. METALMAN_68

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    You know what, don't lump me in to that "everyone makes fun of me" crowd. That's not me.
    They had better figure out a way to run the ball better Monday. I'm sure that much we can both agree on.
     
  11. S.T.D

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    I will tell You this right now.....if We don't convert 3rd downs until the 6th one, and our D allow points every drive....We won't run the ball much again, but I bet money if We convert 3rd downs, and don't drop behind by over 20 points automatically.....We will run the ball a great deal.
     
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  12. Formerscribe

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    How many times did they give it to Harris before that final drive of the half? Two? That's not giving the running game any chance.
     
  13. Formerscribe

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    The circumstances certainly played a role, but so did panicking and abandoning the run before it was necessary. I think people are over-reacting regarding Pickett, but no, he's not ready to carry the entire offense by himself against elite opponents just yet.
     
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  14. S.T.D

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    So on 3rd ,and long We should hand it to Najee??? We didn't convert a 3rd down until like the 6th one. Can You imagine people heads on here if We ran on every 3rd , and long.
     
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  15. Charlie wilson

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    NC. state athletic director. Matt Canada has been relieved of his duties as off coordinator. That is right after he signed a 3 year extension. If he couldn't make it happen for NC state. Why would they ever think he could make it happen for the Steelers?? They fired him right in the middle of the season.
     
  16. Formerscribe

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    When you have to resort to a ridiculous straw man argument like the one you just made, you know you've lost the argument. You know better. I wouldn't misrepresent something you posted like that.

    I'm talking about first and second down, of course. If you have some sort of running game, maybe those third downs are shorter and easier to pick up.
     
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  17. JackAttack 5958

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    Agree! Let’s put Kenny’s sub-par play to the side for a moment and ask the larger question. Show of hands, how many of you defending Canada actually trust him to be able to develop Pickett and get him to the next level as an NFL quarterback? How many trust him to devise game plans and develop schemes to ensure that he has success. Kenny had a bad game, that’s to be expected for a young, developing quarterback. Canada has had a terrible NFL career going back pre-Kenny and with four different quarterbacks. But because Tomlin failed to do the right thing and fire him in the off-season and they won’t fire him mid-season, we’ll have to suffer through him for yet another season.
     
  18. Formerscribe

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    Canada wasn't all that good in college, either. Check out his brief stay at LSU. He lasted one season and Ed Ogeron said he shouldn't have hired him. This was with Joe Burrow as his quarterback. It is no surprise that Burrow went from average do having one of the great seasons any quarterback has had in college football after Canada left.
     
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  19. Blast Furnace

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    You already have…

    “It. Was. One. Game.” Did you corner the market on it?

    Banging your head against the wall is not a game plan. It’s just insanity.
     
  20. BURGH43STEL

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    KP seemed to struggle more with zone than vs man coverage. It's going to be rough sledding for the offensive passing game until KP can consistently make NFL throws vs the defensive coverages that he will face. KP is still a young NFL player so we shall see how much he progresses this season.

    I agree that it takes time and a rhythm to establish the run and passing games. The Steelers were behind early in the game. I think the Steelers only possessed the ball for 22 mins. Most of that was due to ineffective offense and some of it was due to poor defense.
     
  21. Formerscribe

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    I used it to make a valid point both times. :)

    Harris had maybe two carries until that drive right before the half. That constitutes banging their heads against the wall?

    Was giving up on the run very early and asking Pickett to carry the offense against the best defense in the league was your idea of good strategy?
     
  22. Blast Furnace

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    That’s your very questionable opinion. See, I can do that too ;)

    No. Now you’re getting it, not much Canada could do to make a difference in that game.

    Canada is terrible but nothing he could have done in that game would have made a difference. Both things can be true.
     
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  23. groutbrook

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    If there's nothing the OC can do to help make a difference in a game then he serves no purpose.
     
  24. Formerscribe

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    Whether my opinion was valid or not is certainly debatable, which is why I put the smiley face on it.

    I got your argument all along. I just know it makes no sense. A good plan puts players in a better position to succeed. Pickett seemed uncomfortable at times Sunday. A better plan likely helps with that. More diverse plays with routes that actually help receivers get open would help, too.

    So no, both things are not true. I don't understand how you can know the game at all and think that a poor plan by the offensive coordinator doesn't have an effect on the performance of the quarterback and the other players on offense.
     
  25. Disco1981

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    First game is over, But I do know this...

    We will have to run the ball, and run it consistently against Cleveland, Or it will be another blowout... Because Cleveland will run it!

    The one thing I mentioned like I really do like coming into this game is, TJ Watt against DaWand Jones with Conklin out...

    He is one of the slowest RT's I've ever seen...If the Steelers can slow down the Browns running game, and force Massage Watson to pass...

    That is our best chance
     

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