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But before those 30 years, they were a joke from 1968-91.
Holmgren and Farve got them to a winning record in 92, but I'd argue that getting Reggie White in 93 is what set them as a solid contender. Like Mean Joe, White gave the organization an attitude and respectability.

Still disappointed that Brady got the MVP for XXXVI.
16/27 for 145 yards and 1 TD is not a dominating performance, especially when the running game had 133 yards.
Considering the Pats defense held the Rams #1 offense to 17 points (and only 3 in the first 3 quarters), I'd given it to Ty Law for his pick 6.

 

Yeah the super bowl MVP of Brady in super bowl 36 was such a joke...Outside of the last drive,the pats offense did nothing in this game...17 of the 20 points of the pats were after turnovers

But if you look at the NFL in the last 10 years or so,this is harder to win a super bowl without a QB who play at a high level.The 49ers in 2019 were close but Jimmy G had a awful fourth quarter vs KC!

 

Washington also put together a stacked scab team in 1987, winning all three games easily, which helped a great deal.

They played a full schedule in 1991. Yes, that team had a great defense, but they also led the league in scoring. They had a dominant offensive line and excellent receivers, but Rypien was damn good that year.

 

Their offensive line were so great in 1991!...I mean,they gave up only 9 sacks in the entire season in 447 pass attempts!

 

Was that the “Hogs”

 

Maybe you should take a look at the actual records. The stats support what I'm saying. Last 10 years Reid has been in the post season every season but 1.

Since 2015 work for you? Last 8 seasons Tomlin has 3 post season victories. Has not had 1 post season victory since 2016. He's had an avg to great QB almost his entire coaching career.

Is the measurement for Reid SB wins? Just compare win %. Post season wins. He went 11-5 w/ Alex Smith for christ sake. You aren't actually saying Tomlin is as good as Reid? Go back even further in Reid's career ...the guy wins with our without great QB's. Yea he struggled to win SB's until he got a great QB but he made the post season consistently. Tomlin won a SB with Ben in his prime in 2008, his 2nd season has HC. He's hasn't won much in the post season since 2010 w/ a great QB many of those years.

Maholmes didn't take over the starting job till 2018.

The stats support exactly what I'm saying. Tomlin has been an avg coach for the most part. When he had Ben we won. Once Ben's skills declined we couldn't win. Hopefully we have the talent now. Tomiln can't win unless he has superior talent. There are some coaches that win with less. How many losses do we have to inferior teams over the years under Tomlin? Pretty sure the stats against teams with losing records is also not good. I don't hate Tomlin... I just accept him for what he is. I think he's better than a lot of coaches. Sure. but there's also a lot of coaches that probably win more with the talent he had. Just my opinion. I hope he proves me wrong.

 

I'd rank Reid, Belichick, McVey, Shanahan, Siriani, Payton, Carroll, Harbaugh and Pederson ahead of Tomlin. I think any of those coaches would have won more coaching Steelers during the Killer B's era, than Tomlin did. Tomlin is somewhere around 10-15 in HC power rankings. Taylor and Daboll are closing in on Tomlin, IMO.

 

Alex Smith was a very good quarterback. He just wasn't great. You make it sound like he had Mark Malone at quarterback.

The difference is that Andy Reid didn't stay in Philly and have to go through two entire roster rebuilds. They Eagles were still a good roster when they fired Reid. He was able to go to a different franchise, hire coaches, install his system, and help pick his players to fit his system and fill his roster. Then he lands Patrick Mahomes.

You can't downplay rebuilding in the NFL. It takes most franchises years to rebuild. Tomlin just did it without having a couple 3-5 win seasons like pretty much every other coach has. That's what your numbers don't show.

I'm not bashing Andy Reid. He's an excellent coach and one of the best builders of offense and play designers to ever grace football. But Andy Reid has his flaws too. He used to ignore the run and throw the ball 40 times a game with Donovan McNabb as his quarterback. He was so sure he could out-coach everything and win because of his stubborn belief in his superior offensive system, but he couldn't. He now has an elite quarterback and he has learned from some of his past mistakes to become a better coach IMO.

We are about to see how Tomlin does now that he has a new roster filled with young talent, and hopefully a franchise quarterback. If Kenny Pickett becomes close to 90% of Patrick Mahomes, the future looks very bright. If the team doesn't perform well, Tomlin is going to get heat for it.

 

It was sort of a latter version of them. Mark May and Russ Grimm were gone by then, but they still had Joe Jacoby, Jeff Bostic, and tight end Don Warren from the original group in 1991. The 1991 line was probably better than the original Hogs. Jim Lachey was arguably the best left tackle in the league at the time.

 

Carroll threw away a Super Bowl against the Patriots. He's comparable, but I wouldn't put him ahead of Tomlin.

Tomlin has a winning record against Harbaugh. They have certainly coached against one another often enough for that number to be valid.

Shanahan needs to win a Super Bowl for me to put him there. The same is true of Siriani.

The only contemporaries I would definitely put ahead of him are Belichick and Reid. The rest are debatable.

 

Rebuilding can come in different ways, and because of past different strategies. TB is currently 3 million over per one source, 1.2 under in another. Brady alone accounts for 25 million or 15%,they have around 76 million in dead cap, so they got their SB but at still paying for it. 6 or 7 UDA's made the final 53 this year, not sue how many drafted made the roster, but they essentially are starting over. Having really looked at the Rams, but I imagine similar very soon.

 

I mentioned Weidl in my recent Khan thread .

 

Notice You left out Reid losing to Tomlin in one of those playoff games, and You only gave Reid appearances in playoff....not win or losses. LoL. Reid was fired from Philadelphia....no matter what they say about Him now ....they wanted him gone. Hell history is being rewritten now.....because there was a time even in KC they were talking about He couldn't win the big games....that is until P.Mahomes showed up......Mike Tomlin again against Reid before Mahomes....Tomlin owned Him. Enough said.

 

This exactly.

 

I like Tomlin, but it's time for a new direction for the Steelers at HC. Cowher went out on a high note...even though Ben crashed his motorcycle and appendectomy. Ruined Cowher's swan song season...but it was still a success because Steelers started out 2-6 and ended up 8-8. I hope Pickett and the new youth movement on offense and defense can provide enough talent for Tomlin to win #7. The weapons are there again....like we had from 2014-2018, our previous Super Bowl window.

 

It is funny to see a Tomlin critic referring to an 8-8 season as successful.

 

Even when Gunner muffed that punt vs the Pats last season it was somehow Tomlin's fault.

When Tomlin told the media, 'been 2-6 before', the league should've known that man was coming. Never underestimate a Mike Tomlin team.

 

At this point, I’m not interested in the past. I couldn’t care less where talking heads rank Tomlin.

Here’s what I know:
Just a short time ago, they were 11-0 in 2020 and I expected them to go to the SuperBowl, then injuries happened.
2021 comes around and they weren’t that good. Made the playoffs, but they had lots of painfully obvious needs.
Last year, at the beginning of the season people rightfully so, thought this might be a last place team.
Fast forward to this year, winning in the playoffs is a reasonable expectation.
So for me, I only care about them winning this year. I don’t care where Tomlin ranks among peers, but if he were to win this year; win a ring with two different QBs (Shula, Gibbs and Seifert) his place in the rankings will be justified.
Besides, they can’t repeat next year if they don’t win this year.

 

key difference here is we also have a defense, unlike those years you mentioned. I think this year could surprise, but might not be there yet, still have 2024 and 5 though.

 

My theory is losing Worilds and Shazier was the downfall of the Steelers and Roethlisberger later years. Defense suffered and Steelers were never the same. Killer B's were fun to watch, but Steelers were never complete like they were in 00's decade. Just a theory.

 

This, and the secondary never recovered, Troy was gone, various CB's just did not cut it, and as much as people want to look at the Killer B's, you still need a D. Statistically ours may have even had some decent numbers (I cannot honestly remember), but there never seemed to be any confidence that they could keep//or put away a game.

 

and losing Shazier was such a killer....And don't forget,Bell missed the 2014 and 2015 playoffs (same for DeAngelo Williams in 2015), Brown missed the game against Denver in 2015, in 2016 the Steelers had nothing in offense after Bell and Brown and Bell missed the majority of the game against the Pats

The 2017 loss to Jaguars was awful, but Shazier's loss was so big... But the other problem in the killer B's era was too much drama on this team and it was just a matter of time before that the steelers implode and it happen in 2018 with the Bell holdout and the ugly AB situation

For me, despite the last few difficult years of the steelers when they weren't a contender for several reasons, I don't miss the killer B's era since off the field, it was a true circus

 

You mentioned a window, the fact that KC has kept their run going is a testament to Reid and Mahomes, for us the rebuild came at a difficult time, Covid cut the CAP, and we were over by a huge margin, Ben was at the end but still paid and the CAP hit was significant. There were pieces being put in place, some made by Colbert were genius, Minkah, others facepalms, Green...it happens. I'll leave MT on the side, it has been discussed and it is what it is, but this truly became rebuild when Omar took over, and Andy took his position.

 

I pointed out both coaches post season success. What hell are you even talking about? You wanna look at Post season wins? Let's do that. Reid has 12 to Tomln's 2. I say 2 because I previously credited Tomlin with 3 wins since 2015. 1 of those wins was against the Bengals who had us completely beaten until they started assaulting our players to end the game. We essentially won by forfeit. Any way you slice the two coaches post season history, Reid is FAR better. It's not even close. I don't give a crap if we beat the eagles We should have. We were FAR superior in terms of talent in that game. We had ,Ben, Bell, And brown....all in their prime. They had Alex Smith, Spencer Ware, and their leading receiver was a TE in Kelcey.

Tomlin has 2 post season wins in the last 13 seasons. Reid has 12 wins in that same period. Tomlin has coached in 17 post season games. Reid has 38. Tomlin has a post season winning % of .471. Reid has .579. Even if you look at just his post season winning % w/ the Eagles it's better than Tomlin's as well. Those of you who harp on Reids post season failures must be really unhappy about Tomlin's lack of success. The fact anyone would even argue Tomlin is somehow anything close to Reid in terms of coaching talent is laughable.

 

No, the Steelers didn't win that game by forfeit. Penalties count. Teams doing stupid **** counts, too. The Bengals rolled the dice by playing a guy like Burfict. It nearly won them the game. People might forget that he was fantastic most of that playoff game, then committed the killer penalty. As a team, the Bengals lost their cool. The Steelers did not. If anything, that speaks even more to an advantage in coaching.

Regarding that game against the Chiefs (not the Eagles), there is more to a team than the skill positions on offense. Also, there have been games in which Reid has had far superior talent, too. Those also count. Reid is among the few current coaches who is clearly better than Tomlin, but the difference isn't close to what you make it out to be. The primary difference when those teams have met the last five years or so hasn't been coaching. It has been Mahomes.