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Better Play design probably helping Mcfarland

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by PWP, Aug 7, 2023.

  1. METALMAN_68

    METALMAN_68 Well-Known Member

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    I was waiting for this kind of "I told you so" post. I'm not a "McFarland lover", nor do I really care all that much how many touches or snaps he gets in any given game. My initial point was that if they can get him on the field in a productive way, I'm all for it. Somehow this whole conversation turned into a Warren/Harris vs. McFarland debate and that's rubbish. At least for me. I have no interest in watching Mac run for 1-3 yards a couple of times a game just to "get him on the field". I really think we're making this whole "taking touches away" thing bigger than it needs to be.
     
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  2. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Ok...we shall see
     
  3. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Wait what???? I'm starting to believe that You just skim over what I write. This is like the 3rd time in a couple of days You have done this......How is If ...... IF...this happens ,or if that happens a ...I told You so????LoL :shrug:
    Its actually a wait, and see. There was not hint at... I told You so....not yet.
     
  4. METALMAN_68

    METALMAN_68 Well-Known Member

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    That sounds like an "I told you so" coming from someone at some point. Clearly it's more likely that he won't even see the field much if at all. That's not really a bold prediction.
     
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  5. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    It’s kind of his thing. Criticize Ben and you are a Ben hater, say something positive about McFarland and you are a McFarland lover :lolol:
     
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  6. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    I think it boils down to setting up the defense to neglect guys like Washington and heyward. lull them to sleep with so many other playmakers and then boom. If they use resources to cover these guys then that is one guy less for our regular playmakers. That is why this team will be hard to defend, we have so many guys that can make plays at any given time. Makes it very hard on a defense to cover that many players all game.:cool:
     
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  7. Formerscribe

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    He isn't, but he demonstrated that he can make explosive plays against NFL starters. That is something McFarland still hasn't done, not even in preseason.
     
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  8. Formerscribe

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    You lost me with your very first sentence. It absolutely matters that Washington is already on the field as a blocker. That is a huge part of his value if he can produce as a receiver. It is also a huge part of the problem with McFarland, who limits the options on offense when he is on the field.

    What I'm saying is that for McFarland to have any value, he has to be getting the ball. There are many weapons on that team who are going to work better than him as a decoy and he doesn't help them as a blocker. He actually weakens them if they run him from the backfield rather than give those carries to Harris or Warren.

    I never tried to serve any crow. I was simply pointing out the danger of becoming overly enamored with a player's size or speed while ignoring their actual production or lack thereof. It is exactly what leads to mistakes like Kendrick Green or Malik Willis. You are still doing it with Willis. Yes, he's going to make the occasional pretty play. People got overly excited over a play or two that he made when they put him in the lineup last season, too. Then he was exposed for what he is, a bad quarterback. Maybe that can change with a ton of work, but it is inarguable among the sane that taking him in the first round last year would have been a massive mistake.

    Don't get me wrong. McFarland did show some improvement in preseason. He showed more patience on some runs. He showed more physicality on others. I am fine with them having him as their third running back and I hope he can become a playmaker. The evidence to this point just doesn't support that hope.
     
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  9. METALMAN_68

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    You are not wrong. Warren showed that burst last year to some degree as well. On that 62 yd run, it was the perfect play call against that defense and everybody did their job to perfection, including Warren. I just feel that if McFarland had been the one to run that touchdown in the exact manner as Warren, it would have been pointed out how everybody did their job and all he had to do was run.
     
  10. Formerscribe

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    I'm sure some might do that. Others would fawn over his amazing burst and ignore just how well everything was done around him. It was well executed by Warren. He had to show patience as his blocks developed, then cut and go at the right time to beat Poyer.
     
  11. METALMAN_68

    METALMAN_68 Well-Known Member

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    Well, I'm not much of a fawner. More of a high five, knuckles kind of guy but I see your point.
     
  12. Hanratty#5

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    I'm not so sure McFarland would have scored on that run. Instead of just out running Poyer his instincts would be to stop and try to dance around him. He has done that before where he has open field ahead of him but tries and juke someone instead of just keep on running.
     
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  13. Formerscribe

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    Good point. I'm hoping he has overcome that. He did just trust his speed on a couple of long runs during preseason. Hopefully, he continues to avoid that old mistake.
     
  14. METALMAN_68

    METALMAN_68 Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. Warren looked very decisive on that run. He looked to be almost at full speed as he was hitting the line. Very efficient run.
     
  15. jeh1856

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    Toss in say anything positive and you are a homer
     
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  16. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Snoozing

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    I get this a lot from someone here

    I’m glad we had Ben

    I also mention his work ethic shortcomings Mental shortcomings and moral character shortcomings
     
  17. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    That’s called having an unbiased opinion and not being a Ben cheerleader.
     
  18. S.T.D

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    Are You skipping the if, or do they not use that word around where You live.
    Big dang difference in....if I win a million dollar , and when I win a million dollars.....No????
    You are just looking for something that isn't there, and wasn't intended to be there. LoL
     
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  20. jeh1856

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    Thank you

    I feel all warm and fluffy inside now

    :smiley1: :drinks:
     
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  21. Blast Furnace

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    Except that wasn’t your argument. You stated that McFarland shouldn’t even be targeted because there are better playmakers on the field. In that case neither should Washington, the only thing he should do is block.

    It’s one thing to say McFarland is bad at pass protection. It’s ridiculous to say he couldn’t deliver a block like Johnson did to clear a path for Warrens TD. He absolutely could. So no, he doesn’t have to be receiving the ball to have any value.

    Sure dude, why be coy about it, it was funny. I did it to you with Muse and then you find a way to bring up Willis. Which you are still wrong about by the way. Titans made a mistake but it wasn’t Willis it was Levis. Now they forced themselves to carry three QB’s and cost someone else a roster spot. If he continues to develop then his physical attributes will absolutely set him apart.

    You miss the mark on Green as well. Yes, he completely failed while here no thanks to the Steelers. It was drafting a guard and playing him at center which led to his poor play. Then he didn’t play any position his entire next season and you’re pinning it on his athletic ability? No.

    And McFarland seems to be ready to contribute so thats not a great example either. Some players take longer than others especially when injuries stunt their growth.
     
  22. PWP

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    If McFarland doesn't succeed I will still stand by my pimp ..I don't back off of what I believe.. The kid has rare talent and he had some serious flaws when drafted ..It appears to me he has accepted those flaws and followed his Coaching to correct them ..I do believe him when he said he was clocked at 4.3 ..So lets just look at him at this point in time ..

    He is showing much more patience..He shows signs that he has learned to follow his blocks .. He has shown a willingness to put his head down and be a tough runner .. He has great hands and great route running skills this is per his Coach and Team Mates ..So is this the same version of McFarland that was drafted ? No it is not .. How good would he have been if he had these tools polished when drafted ? Even Coach T talked about how raw his talent was when they drafted him and he would need some time ..As I stated above him running the scout Team was exactly what he needed..

    Coach talking about situational Football and using guys with unique skills is exactly why he will show you guys just how hard he has worked ..I can see it already and it appears his mates and his Coach's can see it as well .. When your 1st. round RB states he can't be guarded 1 on 1 you should believe it .

    Coach already talking about Teams with 3 RB systems and how this is the way and it is the future of the NFL.. McFarland is good enough as a Slot WR that it's no gimmick .. He has elite speed from the RB spot so any touch could be a Splash play , when you combine those 2 things it puts the OC in a really nice spot , there is literally 3 or 4 complete playbooks that can be used having a guy like that.It's the Scat game.. Defenses have to prepare completely different and a lot of Coaches on the HS level run multiple Offenses, but if they had a Scat guy they usually built most of the splash plays around him because it's so hard to defend...

    Okay this is the most common adjustment the D moves the Safety down as a Robber to help the LB when a speedy RB motions to the slot ...This sounds great doesn't it ..Why ? Because a motion of a WR to the other side forces the coverage to slide to the strong side meaning the outside WR is 1 on 1 .. Damn we have a stud give him a chance force the D to move that Safety back to his hash and then start attacking the middle...
     
  23. S.T.D

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    The problem is the only thing You know for a fact is moral character.....you are guessing on everything else. Just as many people have said one way, as the other about how much He worked, and You know this. Nobody with a brain the size of a walnut believes a man can play in 5 different systems under 2 different HC, and thrive....yet put in no work. It's what You want to believe. I chose not to believe either side....I go with My eyes....because I don't know any of them that said He does, or doesn't work. To bad You Guys can't do the same. Hell I wouldn't even bring up Ben if You guys wouldn't. You people are the ones infatuated with bring up His name.
     
  24. S.T.D

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    Well I do believe the part of putting His head down to run. That looks like what He's been doing since the start. LOL
    We shall see. @METALMAN_68@METALMAN_68 ....that means not a fact it will happen either way....incase you are wondering. LoL....so no ....I told You so.
     
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  25. METALMAN_68

    METALMAN_68 Well-Known Member

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    Didn't read
     
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