The Media Is Already Starting

He's not in the HOF. Plunkett deserves it more than Theisman.

 

Ok...so You do care???
It all starts somewhere. I guess You don't take unti account Playoffs with P. Manning...almost the same, or that P. Manning played against nobody in His division(while AFCN during that time had 3 Playoff team more than once),or that He played indoors.....I guess none of that matters....
Never once did I say KFP was good yet.....I said if, or when, but You knew that.

 

First things First have talked about the Steelers the last couple of days, and Nick picked the Steelers to win the division. At least it sounded like Nick.

 

Especially the one starting with a T.

At least most posters here feel the roster is strong so that excuse can go to hell. Let’s see how the year plays out I am optimistic besides coaching.

 

I believe any competent team He does. Ravens ,Steelers, NE, Dallas, 49ers, and Seattle to name a few I believe He would have.

 

What about Arizona? Or Houston?

 

Acho played for the Browns, and was an average player while His brother was pretty good.

 

Joe Gibbs maybe one of the most underrated HCs ever. Although Heisman was pretty dang good, and yes I know He isn't in the HOF....LT maybe a reason for that.

 

I said competent team, but all teams can be competent, and Qb helps majorly. Ask the Bengals they had great players before, and the last time they did they were scary. Some don't remember C. Palmer before his injury, and then Seeing Steelers ghost afterwards, but they probably beat us if He doesn't get hurt that game. Put it this way they haven't won a playoff game in a very very long time, and Burrow comes in, and they have been to two AFC Championships, and one SB.

 

OK. So here is the list of quarterbacks to win all Super Bowls. Feel free to point out all those mediocre QBs as if it is the norm.

Super Bowl 1. Bart Starr (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 2. Bart Starr (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 3. Joe Namath (MVP), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 4. Len Dawson (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 5. John Unitas (Chuck Howley), 1 TD
Super Bowl 6. Roger Staubach (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 7. Bob Griese (Jake Scott), 1 TD
Super Bowl 8. Bob Griese (Larry Csonka), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 9. Terry Bradshaw (Franco Harris), 1 TD
Super Bowl 10. Terry Bradshaw (Lynn Swann), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 11. Ken Stabler (Fred Biletnikoff), 1 TD
Super Bowl 12. Roger Staubach (Harvey Martin & Randy White), 1 TDs
Super Bowl 13. Terry Bradshaw (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 14. Terry Bradshaw (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 15. Jim Plunkett (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 16. Joe Montana (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 17. Joe Theismann (John Riggins), 2 TDs,
Super Bowl 18. Jim Plunkett (Marcus Allen), 1 TD
Super Bowl 19. Joe Montana (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 20. Jim McMahon (Richard Dent), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 21. Phil Simms (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 22. Doug Williams (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 23. Joe Montana (Jerry Rice), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 24. Joe Montana (MVP), 5 TDs
Super Bowl 25. Jeff Hostetler (Ottis Anderson), 1 TD
Super Bowl 26. Mark Rypien (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 27. Troy Aikman (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 28. Troy Aikman (Emmitt Smith), O TDs
Super Bowl 29. Steve Young (MVP), 6 TDs
Super Bowl 30. Troy Aikman (Larry Brown), 1 TD
Super Bowl 31. Brett Favre (Desmond Howard), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 32. John Elway (Terrell Davis), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 33. John Elway (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer (Ray Lewis), 1 TD
Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 47: Joe Flacco (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 48: Russell Wilson (Malcolm Smith), 2TDs
Super Bowl 49: Tom Brady (MVP), 4TDs
Super Bowl 50: Peyton Manning (Von Miller), 0TDs
Super Bowl 51: Tom Brady (MVP), 2TDs
Super Bowl 52: Nick Foles (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 53: Tom Brady (Julian Edelman), 0TDs
Super Bowl 54: Patrick Mahomes (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 55: Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 56: Matthew Stafford (Cooper Kupp), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 57: Patrick Mahomes (MVP), 3 TDs

 

The last of those was over 30 years ago. Theismann and Rypien were far from mediocre those years.

 

I don’t care about what the guy in the video said. The attack on the media and some of the nonsense that followed, however, has my attention.

I never claimed that you said Pickett was good yet. I’m pointing out that it was silly for you to get bent out of shape over that guy not giving Pickett enough credit when there is so little to give him credit for right now. Maybe we should wait to see what happens if and when Pickett puts up big numbers.

The argument doesn't make much sense. They don't give Steelers' quarterbacks credit? You write that as if the media is some monolithic group of people who all do the same thing. Hell, it isn't even the same people who covered Bradshaw. Fans always seem to think the media is out to get their team and it is silly every time.

 

Admittedly, I can't stand the guy. Where's Turkey Joe Jones when you need him?

 

I don't know that a recap of your activities last night is lending much to this discussion.

 

But he was still good in 1982(and 1983)...He won the MVP in 1983

Like,Flacco and Foles are not in the HOF but they were great during the playoffs in their super bowl years...But of course we have always some exception like when the broncos won with Peyton Manning who was maybe the worst starting QB in the league in 2015!

But to have a true chance to be a super bowl contender year after year you need a true special QB.Like Mahomes is for the chiefs right now or what Brady was for the pats

 

Eagles were a Playoff team under Reid with McNabb. Couldn't get over the hump but sure came close. Mahomes got Andy to the promised land.

Reid was God like in Philly. Guy was adored. IMO Philly fans have little respect for what McNabb did for them.

 

It is why for like 30 years the Packers were considered contenders. Farve then Rodgers. (please let the Jets suck balls)

 

QB's sure win a lot of MVP's. It is funny that Broadway Joe won MVP and didn't have a TD. Looks like he is only MVP without a TD.

 

I think some are missing the point in all this. Great QBs go without even making a SB. So do great coaches. So do greats all over the field. It takes a team effort, lots of focus and discipline, and even a fair share of dumb luck. Even our beloved 70s dynasty won one because a wide open Cowboy dropped a pass in the EZ.

Some teams in the SB era won with running the ball, some with defense. Nobody won a SB by themselves. I think this young Steelers team is a dangerous combo of young and hungry, and veteran know-how. Gonna be a fun season.

 

I don't disagree but a QB like Mahomes gives you a big advantage.

 

Ok. Like what has been mentioned before in this conversation. IF…Mahomes played on a struggling team, does he make them a contender by himself? The rub is that we’ve seen it both ways. Does that Ravens team make it without that defense even as good as Flacco was playing? Does that defense make it without Flacco that year?
For everything the Patriots did accomplish they don’t accomplish any of it without Brady. Same years, Brady playing for the Jets is probably just another guy.
A team must have a good QB typically to be a contender. But that QB requires the team to be a contender. Your earlier point about P. Manning is spot on.

 

I’ll take it over to the Watercooler forum

 

Redskins also benefited from strike years and shortened seasons. They snuck up on the NFC.... which was stacked at the time.... Giants, Bears, 49ers. 1982 and 1987. Actually, 1991 may have been a strike year, too. Redskins had great defenses when they won all 3 of their Super Bowls. Especially, 1991.

 

I'm not saying Mahomes is alone and Andy Reid and his team deserve a lot of credit for the work they've done, but when you have a QB like Mahomes, the margin for error is much bigger too. Of course, I know that if your team is garbage, it will not matter to have a special player!