My thoughts on preseason wk 1

That novelty has probably worn off

 

She was 28 when I saw her on TV for the first time in 1967, she's 84 now so I guess my attraction to her has waned a little.

 

You're just proving my point. And its not that i'm a Rudolph fan, i'm a KP fan, he's a franchise QB, and i don't want a guy whos a mental midget and has been seriously regressing since 2018 to be his backup (and this guy still thinks he's a starter). Rudolph is the better backup of the two.

Rudolph had no protection the whole time he was in there, so i give him all the credit in the world for that TD. Trubisky couldn't make that pass.

 

lol, Appropriate song

I think the helmet incident and Ben not liking the guy had something to do with it. Performance wise, Trubisky is really the terrible one, worse stats 'Here'. He should be a lot better but he's mentally cooked and still thinks he's a starter. All that but he doesn't nearly get the same hate.

 

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Mitch isn't a great QB, if he were he would be starting somewhere... but he isn't, and likely wont start again in his career. However, he is a decent back up, is supposedly really well liked among his teammates (including Kenny), has had success on the field, and is only 28 years old. I don't see why everyone is so quick to rush him off. He could be a back up option for us for the next 6-8 years

Nobody wanted Rudolph. I bet he would've signed anywhere but here if he had the choice (I know I would have if I were him)... but he didn't have a choice. Nobody offered him a spot/contract, so he came back to us. He's going to stay in the league as long as the Steelers pay him vet minimum to be the QB3 and not a second longer. As soon as we find a QB we want to develop into a back up role, Mason is gone. NFL is over. That wont be this year. Will it be next? The year after? Who knows. I'd be willing, however, to bet Mitch sticks around for a while.

 

I'm not taking a stand on who is better, but let's be honest both QB's had lines that stunk, beyond Nate H who has an injury I have little faith in anyone we have (especially interior) if a starter goes down. Heck I was ready to say they should see if the Giants cut JC Hassenauer but he is on injured reserve with a torn tricep.

 

I don't actually think its hate, I think there are a lot of people who somehow think that Mason is close to Mitch and should be given a better "shot" to be the back up. There are a number of people last season who wanted him to start because he didn't get a "true shot" to be the QB and there is a soft spot for him. He's the most hyped QB3 we've had in the Black and Gold probably ever. It's really a bit of an echo of Rudolph love, not some unnecessary hate for a guy who hopefully never sees the field.

 

Trubisky hasn't earned any hate for his time here.

1. You mentioned stats - Trubisky in his 5 starts (7 games appeared) had a higher completion percentage than Kenny, had a better TD/INT ratio, and had a better QB Rating and QBR. He threw for 6 yards less a game and had a slightly higher INT%, but both were really negligible.
a. Why is there not a QB1 competition if stats mattered that much? Now, this is an obvious rhetorical question, as there are many reasons why there isn't one. The stats aren't the story here.
b. Its easy to compare Mason and Mitch statistically while they were with the Steelers, however, it is not an apples to apples comparison to compare Mitch's stats from 2022 and Mason's from 2019. Last year's team wasn't very good. We went on a late season tear because Pickett clutched up a few games and we went 6-1 to end the season. Keep in mind that we allowed 17 points or less in EVERY SINGLE ONE of those games. That team SHOULD have been a 6 win team and wasn't. 2019's team was a potential Super Bowl contender with a healthy Ben at the helm, and would have been a playoff team with competent QB play, but we had Mason and Duck so we missed. Mason and Mitch are similar stat wise in the B&G, but one played on an awesome team and the other on a bad one.

2. Trubisky doesn't think he's a starter anymore. He signed originally with the understanding that he was going to start for a while, but he wouldn't have extended if he thought he was a starter in this league.

3. No one cares about the helmet incident. That wasn't his fault, and was squarely on Myles Garrett.
a. Also, nobody cares if Ben liked him or not either. Ben is hardly the beacon of morality or shining example of character.

It's not Rudolph hate, its really more of an assessment of his play. Mason has been terrible since he's gotten here. He's had one NFL caliber skill (his deep ball), but has never improved a single one of his deficiencies. Mason got a shot in the show BECAUSE he can make the throw he made in Tampa, however, there's a reason why there are 31 NFL teams think they have 3 QB's better than Mason on their roster.... People don't think he's good because he sucks.

Nobody is pimping Mitch either. The guy is what he is. He hasn't "regressed", he was just never as good as he played in 2018. He had a great year. Aside from that, he is just a guy that is probably going to win somewhere around 50% of his games on a somewhat competent team. The guy he's been all along.

 

I call it stupidity. How if You don't want to compare their different years here... ....compare the preseason they both have played last year ,and this year. Yeah no. That's what I thought. Gotta go back to Chicago is the only way to make Trubisky look good. I don't know anyone here that wants Mason as the Starter now, but I know a whole bunch that aren't blind, and want him as a backup. I would actually like a chance a winning if our starter goes down.

 

Mitch had a higher completion percentage (65 vs 61.5), but the higher TD to int ratio goes to Rudolph (1.45 vs 0.8). Passing yards per game are about the same 178.5 vs 176.5. Rating is about the same also about 82.

The win-loss record is in Rudolph's favor also, 5-4-1 versus 2-3. So i would give the stat edge to Rudolph.

As for the second point, Mitch has regressed - alot. He has the lowest on target rate in the league. Meaning he's the worst at being able to make the simple throw from a clean pocket. That's why the Bears let him go. they wouldn't have let him go if he went from having a great year to merely good ones. He did get sacked alot more in 19 and it evidently affected him. That misunderstanding some of us still have with his Chicago play is from not watching Trubisky play on a regular basis or ignoring the on target stat. the bears knew it. Alot of other teams that wouldn't consider him for a starting gig knew it - the Steelers took a chance. they thought they could bring him back to his better days. Maybe if we had Bill Walsh instead of Matt Canada the Steelers could've fixed him.

I don't know why he's considered a strong backup - that's a mystery to me, he's inconsistent. He makes bad decisions. He has single handedly cost us games. We need consistency in the backup - boring game manager consistency. I'd actually take Case Keenum over both - MT and MR - he has the real mental toughness and experience KP could learn from.

 

Trubisky agreed to an extension with a team knowing Pickett is the starter, so the narrative that he still thinks he's a starting quarterback does not hold up.

Trubisky has made that very same throw many times in his career, more than Rudolph has done it so that part of your argument also fails. It wasn't a special throw. Austin got well behind the defender. He had to slow down a bit for Rudolph's throw, which was very good, but not perfect. Just about every quarterback in the NFL can make that throw. Honestly, the seam route to Heyward was the only exceptional one Rudolph made Friday night.

Rudolph has done nothing to show he is better than Trubisky except put up good numbers against third and fourth-stringers last preseason and Friday night. He has turned into Babe Laufenberg. Look him up. He was a poster boy for fool's gold.

 

Stop making sense. What about that one year in Chicago that Trubisky had??? LoL

 

the hate is real

 

Hmmm pretty much the same throw that Trubisky severely under threw for a pick. Talk about a throw that Mason threw at someone's feet, but not a throw that I don't even know who Trubisky was throwing it to. Too Funny

 

what? Compare…. Preseason? People way smarter than me put Mitch ahead of Mason last year, then extended him another year so he can continue to be the QB2. Mason tried to play anywhere else in the league and couldn’t. 31 teams think they have 3 better QB’s than Mason Rudolph.

It’s not really an argument. The Steelers value Mitch more highly, and the rest of the league saw no value in Mason. It doesn’t matter what we fans think, NFL scouts, GM’s, and coaches unanimously think Mitch is a lot better than Mason. That should tell us enough

 

Again use Your brains. They were stuck with Trubisky cap hit from the mistake they made last year of getting Him. They had to extend him for cap reasons. You couldn't cut him without cap implications. Yet they didn't have to sign Mason. He was gone... Scott free, but they did actually bring Him back, and sign Him. They didn't do it because they are buddies.

 

So they made a mistake, extended the mistake in order to…. fix the mistake?

They then signed the other guy (who is “better”) to come play behind their mistake… Because they valued that guy so much to bring him back when they didn’t have to.

I’m the one not using my brains?

 

1. The main chunk of Mason Rudolph’s stats come from playing on a VERY good team. The 2019 team wins 11 games without much issue with quality QB play. Last year we finish that season with 9 wins less than 1 out of 10 times, and is probably a 6 win team with average luck and a bit less clutch from Kenny. That was not a good team. There’s a reason why we’re going to see at least 8 new starters of the main 22.

2. My point went over your head I guess. Trubisky HAS NOT REGRESSED. He was never that great to begin with, and he’s the same guy today that he was then. He had a singular great season in Chicago and was middling the other 3. He was ok but that’s about it. The Bears didn’t want to pay him big boy dollars to be the starter so they went back to lottery tickets in the draft. Mitch is Baker Mayfield but taller and less of a tool. Except Baker Mayfield is still getting starting gigs in the league somehow.

3. Well because there are 32 starters and he is closer to being the 33rd best QB in the league than he is the 64th. So yeah, that’s what that means. Mitch is consistent. Consistently just ok. If he were better than that, he’d be starting somewhere. If he was worse he’d be in Mason’s situation of just trying to find a single team in the league that wants him to play.

 

Bottom line is after reading all of this bickering over backup QBs... there's a major dropoff in talent from QB1 to QB2 and QB3. This is true for most NFL teams. Let's hope Pickett stays healthy for all 17 games.

 

No you still aren't. They extended the mistake....so the cap hit wouldn't be as high. They had too, or take the brunt of it. What they didn't have to do was sign Mason.....Yet they did.

 

Well You should worry. Not many Qbs play all 16 games a year, and now We play 17. So if everyone is fine with another 3 ints game that was solely lost By Trubisky like last year....Hmmm....I can't seem to remember Mason ever doing that....even though He goes down the field more. What can I say. I'm done discussing it.

 

Agree, but it's good to feel optimism at this time of year, just like last year. JMO>

 

Not sure if 31 other teams not wanting Mason means that much when those same 31 other teams didn't want James Harrison. We'll see what happens as preseason unwinds and let's hope whoever is still standing can get the job done. JMO>