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Mike Tomlin Pulled The Reins On Deep Passing Game Last Year

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Steelersfan43, Aug 1, 2023.

  1. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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  2. GoldBurgh

    GoldBurgh Well-Known Member

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    I'm no Tomlin fan, but I'm fine with this. Kenny was headed towards permanent damage until things calmed down after the bye and the interceptions went away. All systems go this year, however.
     
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  3. thorn058

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  4. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    Exact and before the bye week, the number of big plays were even smaller.... It was as if the steelers were running the old Ben offense at the end of his career with over 40 pass per game and that the majority it was dink and dunk with some long passes on the sideline with little chance of success...it was awful

    I have no problem seeing the steelers go progressively and continue for ball control but the next step is to have more big play but they don't need to go to the other extreme!
     
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  5. Blast Furnace

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    Happy Tomlin put a stop to that but so disappointing Canada didn’t.
     
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  6. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    seems canada isn't the culprit. :cool:
     
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  7. DJ18Baller

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    In a progressive passing league in which the rules clearly favor passing offenses this is what our brilliant HC decides. I understand KP was a rookie and you want to limit his mistakes but playing not to lose to maintain some ridiculous regular season streak that most of us could care less about? Pathetic.
     
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  8. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    Only about once every three years it seems that the Steelers actually blow out a team. This is one of the reasons why.
     
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  9. strummerfan

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    You keep setting the bar lower and lower. They won 7 of their last 9, but somehow you manage to spin that into a negative. Truly impressive
     
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  10. Steelersfan43

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    One thing is for sure, what the Steelers were doing in the first half, like over 40 passes per game and running the old Ben offense didn't work...The offense was much better in the second half....Now they need to take the next step and that is to have big play when they get the chance

    For those who talk about the schedule of the reason for the improvement in the second half, in the first half, they lost against the bills and eagles but the other 4 losses were against average or below average team too
     
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  11. Steelersfan43

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  12. CK 13

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    Can't fault him for that, Pickett was a pick machine early on, then turned the corner at the end of the season.

    We now are seeing a different Pickett carrying over his late season rise.

    I blame Tomlin for not having any answer for Watt's injury. Lost 6 of 7 without him. Hopefully TJ stays healthy.
     
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  13. pczach

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    But nobody really has an answer for replacing maybe the best defender in the NFL. There are some things that are almost impossible to overcome, because there wasn't quality depth behind him. They didn't know that Ingram was going to boycott the team for not playing enough and demand a trade in 2021, and they weren't able to replace him when they were still building the roster and they had some salary cap issues. Ingram played something like 62% of the snaps but only had a couple starts, so it was too much for his ego. They let Highsmith play and improve instead of caving to Ingram and look how that turned out. Not really Tomlin's fault.

    This season, they have Golden as a backup, and Herbig at least looks like a guy that can do some things as a pass rusher. They have some depth on this roster now. That's the difference.

    Now if Watt goes down for a few games, they have that depth now to come in and play at a quality NFL level with a guy like Golden, and a young stud in Herbig to develop. I think they're in a good spot now.
     
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  14. strummerfan

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    You’re new here, but you’ll learn soon enough. There is a large portion of the community here that will argue until their last breath Tomlin is responsible for all of our ills. Offense spots the browns 28 points in a quarter is all on Tomlin. Some will try to tell you they don’t dislike him it’s just his message is stale. A message they’ve never heard, but that isn’t important. It doesn’t matter what the players have to say. These posters know better.
     
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  15. pczach

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    That may be true, but I will still call it as I see it.

    I think I just laid out a case that it was handled as well as possible. By managing the situation as they did, Giving Highsmith the time to develop, making one shrewd free agent signing in Golden, and a great draft pick in Herbig, they now have another stud OLB in Highsmith, a seasoned productive player in Golden as a swing EDGE guy, and a young, talented draft pick to develop and maybe become another weapon. They are probably in a much better place now because of handling a bad situation extremely well and not panicking.

    That is how the situation happened and how everything went down, and the end results speak for themselves. Ultimately a win for the front office and Tomlin.
     
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  16. HeinzMustard

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    Aren't the Steelers using Leal as a hybrid OLB/DE? Kinda like how the Ravens used Terrell Suggs. This should also be a big help for OLB depth.
     
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  17. SteelersFan369

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    Patriots Bailey Zappe and 49ers Brock Purdy didn't seem limited by their coaching in what they did, and the Patriots had a DC as the OC. Receivers stone hands caused much of Pickett's pick issues early, plus play calling with little open space for the receivers to catch and run was another issue.
     
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    Yes, he's gotten time too. They have been moving him around, and Leal has played at any position the team needed him to play. That's a valuable player that can give you quality snaps at multiple positions, many of which were completely foreign to him when he was drafted. We will see what the plan is for him this season, but they are definitely in a good spot. With the addition of Golden and Herbig, he may not see as much time there, but who knows. I can't wait to see what he can turn into if he locks in on a position and is able to form his body to the perfect weight while training and doing drills more specific to a position or two.

    Leal can be a DE in a 4-3 or EDGE in a 3-4. He can play along the DL if he bulks up because he has elite quickness and great athleticism as well. His versatility is amazing. I really like him and hope he continues to develop.
     
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  19. strummerfan

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    Is everything else the same? Outside of purdy and Pickett? Same line? Same receivers? Same running backs?
     
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  20. DJ18Baller

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    Did you see the ****ty teams they beat? Wake me up when they win a playoff game. Because it certainly won’t be anytime soon with this loser mentality.
     
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  21. S.T.D

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    I don't use disagree much, but must on this. The coaches job is to win games, and if starting off allowing Your rookie to throw all over was causing lots of picks, and losing games(which it was).....then that is His job.
     
  22. DJ18Baller

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    But I don’t think he was throwing all over? We never used the middle of the field and rarely even threw downfield at all.

    Playing scared to beat the Panthers and Falcons isn’t impressive. What happens in the playoffs if you make it against better teams? Don’t answer I already know. You get blown out by 20.
     
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  23. S.T.D

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    I wouldn't know....I've never seen Pickett, Pickens, or many others on this team in the playoffs. I hate to break it to You, but there is a very fine line between all of the NFL teams. There is a reason so many games are close....,and yes a rookie throwing the ball over 40 times a game is too much...., and thats what was going on at the beginning.
     
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  24. SteelersFan369

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    Can anyone name a WR or TE or RB on the Patriots without looking it up. We have great RB tandem, good TE and DJ and Pickens at WR. Play calling was different
     
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  25. DJ18Baller

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    Throwing the ball 40 times bubble screen left bubble screen right. Nothing more than a long handoff.
     
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