How does Mike Tomlin compare to other NFL head coaches? There's no doubt the standard has fallen.

Yes I was wrong here. I’ve acknowledged that.

Just 2 Steelers fans talking trash biding time thru the offseason

can’t disagree with anything here.
Just curious tho, looking back do you think that Ben was a deserving of being treated like a franchise QB

 

I missed that. Sorry to pile on.

 

No, I had said many times that he was over-coddled. He did not deliver his final 11 seasons, when the offense was LOADED with talent. He was far from one of the all time great QB's - he was just a GREAT gamer. there is big difference. I debated for a while whether he was a HOF'r. I still am hesitant in my thinking

 

I'm sorry....., but I must laugh.
We are talking about a Qb that not only holds a few NFL records, but is top 5 to top 10 in all major Qb stats of all time. Top 5 in wins all time, and been to three SBs. Hell only 7 Qbs in the History of the NFL have been to more SBs, and only 3 of them have more SB wins. So if everyone that is right below Him, and right above Him in everything all time is in the HOF....only hate would make You think He doesn't deserve to be in the HOF, or even more laughable....a franchise Qb.

 

I think that Ben deserves to be in the hall. His personal stats mixed with the team accomplishments that shaped the beginning of his career warrant a gold jacket. I also agree that he’s been overrated tho.

I agree with pretty much all of this, and still say that he’s overrated.

A lot of his stats are inflated due to the era that he played in and the team accomplishments are greatly due to him being drafted to this franchise. Had he been drafted to the jets or something, his career would’ve played out different and he probably wouldn’t be a hall of famer.

 

he is over rated, by some here. He played in an era and FOREVER, where you can just pile on stats year in and year out. He is not thought of for me as one of the all time great QB's. He was an amazing competitor, and I will defend him to the hill, but HOF is a beauty contest, with moving subjective guidelines. He was coddled, which was the big piece. I don't think he was a super hard worker. He played off of pure talent. Even in his prime, he was the 3rd of 4th best of any given year, behind Manning, Brady, Brees usually, Rodgers and another, here and there.

 

How is it We had many great teams between Bradshaw, and Ben.....Yet none of them won a SB???
I could argue We had some teams that were even better than the ones We won SBs with.
Also most of the leaders on everything I said come from the same time Ben played. Let's not act like He played there alone.

 

Yet He has beaten all of them You name, and has the same , or more SBs wins except one you name. LoL. Are You really young....because all those biggest rule changes didn't come until Ben was in the League for quite awhile. I'm done defending Him....if You actually watched....You know....You have never seen a Qb do something that You haven't seen Ben do.
So now in the softest time of the NFL the Qbs don't count???
So nothing Pat Mahomes does should count????
It's not easy going to 3 SBs....ask about a 800 Qbs that have tried.

 

take it easy pal, Ben does not need your defense.

Ben got to 3 SB's with 3 great TEAMS and STAR STUDDED defenses. when he had to do it ALONE, he could not

you may seen a game or 2 - it is a TEAM sport

nuff said

 

You are thinking of a long pass he threw to Ward early in the game, but that wasn't a touchdown. They converted third-and-28 on the play, setting up Roethlisberger's short touchdown run.

The touchdown pass was in the fourth quarter. Randle El took an end-around and threw it deep to Ward for the score.

 

Bad luck and bad qb play. I remember the ‘01 team specifically. They were a very good team but they had slash at qb. He had 4 turnovers by himself in the afc championship game. If they just had a decent game manager they would’ve won that. Ben deserves credit for being the final piece that put the core he was drafted to over the top and being able to lead the revised core that was in place a few years later back to win another 1. None of the teams that he qb’ed to the sb were built around him tho. That’s my only point. Once they switched philosophy making Ben and the passing game the focal point, that’s when they underachieved. I think that Tomlin is trying to get the team back to where Cowher had it before Ben got there and I think that’s a great thing.

Exactly. All QBs from his era have inflated stats but even when you compare Ben to peers from his era, he’s like 5th best at best despite being the most fortunate.

 

How did this topic get derailed into a bash-Ben and QB discussion?

Oh ya... Jeh did his mindless trolling of turning things into bash-Ben threads.

 

Too bad the game is completely different than the one that was played in 1995. The rules have been tweaked to benefit passing spread offenses. Steelers won’t be able to compete doubly so in the playoffs trying to play some clock control conservative MC motion BS offense.

 

Except that’s exactly what the Steelers did for the 2nd half of the season here in ‘22-23 to finish up 6-2. Also teams like the eagles, 49ers and Bengals were all near the top of the league in time of possession. That’s 3 of the final 4 teams that were in the playoffs.

Did you even watch the SB? The Chiefs ran the ball for like 150. Mahomes had less than 200 yards passing.

Look at what the Steelers have done so far in the off-season. They’ve already signed 2 guards and their dream scenario for the draft is to take 1 of the 3 supposed can’t-miss tackles with their first pick. There’s even rumors of trading up in the draft to get a guy like Broderick Jones. The writing is on the wall man. They’re trying to rebuild a smash mouth power run game to help and keep some pressure off of Kenny who had 2 concussions in his first season. I agree with the direction. They’ve already tried the spread out offense pass-first philosophy with Ben and the killer B era. You want to try that again with Kenny?

 

Zig when others are zagging. Shake and bake!

 

But we have winning seasons!

 

Would you rather have losing seasons ?

 

Id rather have a Super Bowl season.

 

Name the coaches that you’d have felt comfortable betting on to lead the team to a SB over the last 10 years.

Why do some think that these SB appearances are so easy and that the process shouldn’t be appreciated and respected?

 

Forget SBs how about a playoff win? 3 in 12 years with the talent we have had is inexcusable. The blame can certainly go around but at the end of the day the brunt should fall mainly on one man yet it won’t.

The road to the SB is certainly hard but the road to winning a playoff game shouldn’t be this difficult.

 

So he was the 3rd or 4th best in a period of time, and all of them are in or will be in the HOF. The only time Ben was over rated was the final couple of years, even dilapidated and with limited talent he did pretty damn well. The argument made about him being drafted by the right team, well the same can be said about most any player. At times way to much credit is given to the QB position, but you are either blind or a complete idiot to say Ben is not a HOF'er.

 

More like arguably 5th best of his era. I’ve got Ben in the hall but it’s on the strength of the team success that he was fortunate to have early in his career before he actually reached his peak. Without those 3 SB appearances in his first 7 years he’s not hall of fame.

Ben is more comparable to a guy like Phillip rivers. Rivers just didn’t have the team success. Rivers has great stats due to the era he played in, but I doubt he gets into the hall tho.

You say that the brunt should fall mainly on one man and thats just ignorant. The main reason that the team has seemingly underachieved over the last 10-12 years is because they were built around a qb and offense that didn’t produce up to expectations in the biggest games. The decision to build around Ben was over Tomlin’s head. That was an organization decision.

There are 32 teams, but only 13 have won more than 3 playoff games in the last 10 years. Winning playoff games isn’t easy either. A lot of you would probably find more enjoyment as fans if you actually respected the game, respected the process, and stop acting so entitled.

 

Roethlisberger was better than Rivers. Part of that was team success, but not all of it. Roethlisberger had talent around him, but so did Rivers. Roethlisberger elevated his own play and that of the guys around him. He created opportunities with his ability to throw receivers open and improvise. Remember the insane passing numbers he had after a defender had made contact with him during his prime. That is why he is a Hall of Famer, and that wasn't a product of the team around him. That was his own talent.

 

So would 31 other teams