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Hypothetical Belichick question

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by JackAttack 5958, Dec 10, 2012.

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I think we would look like the Pats currently do and the Pats would look like the Steelers have this year. Belichek makes all the difference in the world. An argument could be made that if Brady hadn't been paired up with Belichek that Brady never would have turned into a HOF'er. Sure, Brady is clearly an elite QB now and will remain elite no matter who is his coach, but during his development years, I can't help but wonder if Belichek turned him into what he is now. Belichek made Matt Cassell look like a pro bowler, and that's no easy task.
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Shaner82
I see that you a senior member of this board, which tells me you follow the team closely. I have a question for you, every thread I see you post and although my name is not in the senior member, I have follow this board under the old message board and this great message board and you always talking of other coaches. I have never seem you post anything positive. Yes I have read a few of your threads under the Bill C era as well. So if you please can you tell me one thing positive about the Steelers. I know it easy to find negative but what are some positives. I believe Tomlin Era stated it best what has Belicheat done that was so great cause I am in the what have you done for me lately age. I will recap for you. Won alot of regular season games, playoff, and had a perfect season to lose super bowl. Mike Tomlin no losing season since becoming a coach of the Steelers, won one superbowl and lose another. I do believe Belicheat won most of his superbowls when Bill was running the Steelers so what was you saying then we need a new coach. Shaner82 you always to say this team is no prepared, well I am here to tell you just read what a coach can and can't do during practice (Roger G.). Second all these motivation speeches to get team ready to play, Thanks to ESPN I hear Ray Lewis speech every week and what have the Raven done lost 3 in a row to get OC fired. If i made million and million of dollar I don't need no speech I will go do my job. I am sure you go to work and what speech do your boss give to get you to work harder?
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What is there that's positive about this team right now? The last 2 seasons have been brutal. Just because I'm a fan of a team doesn't mean I'm going to start pulling positive thoughts out of my ass and spreading them around. I love the Steelers and desperately want them to win, but that doesn't mean I'm going to be positive about this team when they don't deserve it. I just don't see how anyone can be positive about this team right now. Sure, we have a chance to make the playoffs, but there's not a single aspect of this team that's playing well right now. When they start playing consistently good football, I will be positive, until then, I have nothing good to say about this team.

As for Belichek, I don't understand how anyone can doubt he's a good coach. His team shows up to play every week. Belichek's teams never seem to make the same mistakes constantly. He makes sure they're prepared to play and he makes sure they don't repeat mistakes. He holds them accountable, all of them, not just certain players. They play disciplined, mistake free football. On the other hand, our guys do nothing but come to games unprepared, come to camp fat and out of shape year after year after year, the same guys are constantly committing penalties, etc. We've had the same problems year after year with this team and nothing seems to be changing.

You can say what you want about the pats not winning a SB recently, but every single year they are in contention to win the SB. Only one team can win, and no matter how good a team is they're not going to win every year, or every other year for that matter. Look how good GB was last year and they didn't win the SB. It's incredibly difficult to win the SB even if you are a very good team. The fact is, the Pats will be in a position to win it all every year and they'll get close every year. Belichek is a very good coach. Even if you want to convince yourself that Tomlin is a better coach than Belichek, lets not pretend that Belichek isn't a great coach. Denying that fact sounds like sour grapes.
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I'll try this with you Shaner, you and I disagree on things but at least you can have an adult conversation without making it personal. No doubt, Belichick is a great coach, I would go as far to even say the best but people put him on a pedestal which I think is a little silly. I'd venture to guess that maybe, maybe, we would have one more victory then we do now and I'm being generous. And the reason I say that is because what do you think he would be doing that Tomlin isn't? And Tomlins entire coaching staff? You're a guy that's always trying to inject realism into conversations that involve the refs, you call out people who seem to think that the refs are always out to get us, and I agree with that 100%. You need to do that here, with Tomlin and the coaches. You've seen Tomlin bench players now, you've seen him move players down the depth chart, you've seen a player suspended now for setting a bad example. After Sundays game, he was heard blasting the guys about how they just played, it was on the home page here with the feeds, so if he's doing all that, what's left? It's the players. They aren't getting the message Shaner, what would you like Tomlin to do? What do you think Belichick would do? Plus, the new CBA protects theses guys, the coaches can't even get after them that way anymore.

Let me ask you, did you think the team was playing well before Ben got hurt? I think that's the positive you have to look for, it was Bens first game back Sunday, team was obviously out of sync, lets see how they do in Dallas before writing them off for the season. I still think they can get on a roll, the secondary concerns me now though, that could ruin us for sure, we need Ike back.
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What would he do that Tomlin isn't? Simple question but there's no simple answer. I don't know what Tomlin should be doing differently because I'm not there to see it myself. What I do know is it's his responsibility to fix problems that arise. That's his job. Yeah, he benched and then scratched Mendy, and I wrote a book about my issues with that in another thread. He demoted Wallace on paper only, although Wallace admitted himself that it changed nothing. It was a meaningless move that affected nothing. Wallace got the same number of snaps he would have otherwise. The depth chart is meaningless to everyone but fantasy football fans. The fact is that when players continue to make stupid mistakes, it's Tomlin's job to fix it. When we have Oline problems for 5+ years, it's Tomlin's job to fix it. When we can't get pressure on the QB for 2 years, it's Tomlin's job to fix it. When we can't get turnovers, it's Tomlin's job to fix it. I don't know how he can fix those problems, if I had that answer I would be working for the Pittsburgh Steelers. What I do know with 100% certainty is that it's on Tomlin to find a way to fix those problems. Are the players all clinically retarded and as such are too simple to understand direction? Perhaps, but then it's on Tomlin to either make them understand and make them play well, or get new players. If the starters are playing undisciplined and showing up to camp fat, then those starters should become backups.

So what, he yelled at the team after a loss. Every coach on earth has yelled at their team. He suspended Mendy, yet he appears to let the rest of the team do whatever the hell they want with no repercussions. He's taking a stand against Mendy for a reason that I can't understand. Scratch the teams most talented RB because in his 2nd game of the year he fumbled the ball? Really? That's what Tomlin is going to take a stand on. Wallace can drop 50 balls per year, admit he loses focus in the middle of games, and that's perfectly fine. The same morons commit the same penalties every single week, yet nothing is done about them. It's beyond ridiculous at this point.

You're right though, Tomlin can't practice more often, but he sure can practice differently. During the Pats practice, Belichek simulated JJ Watt's ability to bat down balls, and look what happened, JJ Watt was a non-factor. Perhaps Tomlin needs to run his practices differently. Perhaps what he's doing in practice is ineffective. Perhaps Tomlin's insistence on never looking back at past games is the reason our guys keep making the same damn mistakes every week.

What I do know is something has to change. We've been having some of the same problems for years now and there doesn't appear to be a light at the end of the tunnel.
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I know, I get it, starts at the top and Tomlin is at the top, I just think too much is being put on him and the players are being given a pass for being imbeciles. I mean really, does AB need to be told to kick the ball out of bounds? Or just fall on it? The stupid penalties like the ones that keep negating good returns? All the holding penalties? I can't get on Tomlin for that, you know every coach down the line is preaching that to those guys. As for turnovers, if that has do to with scheme and I'm not sure it is, I'm referencing your thoughts from another post here, that won't change until DL retires, no way will Tomlin usurp DL. I think mostly its just that our DB's can't catch. And they are trying to fix the line, no one could foresee our top 2 picks being hurt, and it's more then them, we got guys out, guys always shuffling positions, it's tough like that. And I don't think they are done addressing the line yet either, I think you will see some more high draft choices that go towards that next year.

I think Tomlin can probably prepare his guys better, I'll give you that, and I'm talking about film prep, not rah rah crap, these guys are professionals, they shouldn't need a coach to tell them to get up for a game. Belichick definitely has that over everyone else, he prepares like a mother f--ker

Blast Furnace, Dec 12, 2012

Blast Furnace, Dec 12, 2012

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Tomlin_Era said: ↑

shaner82 said: ↑

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

shaner82 said: ↑

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shaner82 said: ↑

I think we would look like the Pats currently do and the Pats would look like the Steelers have this year. Belichek makes all the difference in the world. An argument could be made that if Brady hadn't been paired up with Belichek that Brady never would have turned into a HOF'er. Sure, Brady is clearly an elite QB now and will remain elite no matter who is his coach, but during his development years, I can't help but wonder if Belichek turned him into what he is now. Belichek made Matt Cassell look like a pro bowler, and that's no easy task.
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Shaner82
I see that you a senior member of this board, which tells me you follow the team closely. I have a question for you, every thread I see you post and although my name is not in the senior member, I have follow this board under the old message board and this great message board and you always talking of other coaches. I have never seem you post anything positive. Yes I have read a few of your threads under the Bill C era as well. So if you please can you tell me one thing positive about the Steelers. I know it easy to find negative but what are some positives. I believe Tomlin Era stated it best what has Belicheat done that was so great cause I am in the what have you done for me lately age. I will recap for you. Won alot of regular season games, playoff, and had a perfect season to lose super bowl. Mike Tomlin no losing season since becoming a coach of the Steelers, won one superbowl and lose another. I do believe Belicheat won most of his superbowls when Bill was running the Steelers so what was you saying then we need a new coach. Shaner82 you always to say this team is no prepared, well I am here to tell you just read what a coach can and can't do during practice (Roger G.). Second all these motivation speeches to get team ready to play, Thanks to ESPN I hear Ray Lewis speech every week and what have the Raven done lost 3 in a row to get OC fired. If i made million and million of dollar I don't need no speech I will go do my job. I am sure you go to work and what speech do your boss give to get you to work harder?
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What is there that's positive about this team right now? The last 2 seasons have been brutal. Just because I'm a fan of a team doesn't mean I'm going to start pulling positive thoughts out of my ass and spreading them around. I love the Steelers and desperately want them to win, but that doesn't mean I'm going to be positive about this team when they don't deserve it. I just don't see how anyone can be positive about this team right now. Sure, we have a chance to make the playoffs, but there's not a single aspect of this team that's playing well right now. When they start playing consistently good football, I will be positive, until then, I have nothing good to say about this team.

As for Belichek, I don't understand how anyone can doubt he's a good coach. His team shows up to play every week. Belichek's teams never seem to make the same mistakes constantly. He makes sure they're prepared to play and he makes sure they don't repeat mistakes. He holds them accountable, all of them, not just certain players. They play disciplined, mistake free football. On the other hand, our guys do nothing but come to games unprepared, come to camp fat and out of shape year after year after year, the same guys are constantly committing penalties, etc. We've had the same problems year after year with this team and nothing seems to be changing.

You can say what you want about the pats not winning a SB recently, but every single year they are in contention to win the SB. Only one team can win, and no matter how good a team is they're not going to win every year, or every other year for that matter. Look how good GB was last year and they didn't win the SB. It's incredibly difficult to win the SB even if you are a very good team. The fact is, the Pats will be in a position to win it all every year and they'll get close every year. Belichek is a very good coach. Even if you want to convince yourself that Tomlin is a better coach than Belichek, lets not pretend that Belichek isn't a great coach. Denying that fact sounds like sour grapes.
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I'll try this with you Shaner, you and I disagree on things but at least you can have an adult conversation without making it personal. No doubt, Belichick is a great coach, I would go as far to even say the best but people put him on a pedestal which I think is a little silly. I'd venture to guess that maybe, maybe, we would have one more victory then we do now and I'm being generous. And the reason I say that is because what do you think he would be doing that Tomlin isn't? And Tomlins entire coaching staff? You're a guy that's always trying to inject realism into conversations that involve the refs, you call out people who seem to think that the refs are always out to get us, and I agree with that 100%. You need to do that here, with Tomlin and the coaches. You've seen Tomlin bench players now, you've seen him move players down the depth chart, you've seen a player suspended now for setting a bad example. After Sundays game, he was heard blasting the guys about how they just played, it was on the home page here with the feeds, so if he's doing all that, what's left? It's the players. They aren't getting the message Shaner, what would you like Tomlin to do? What do you think Belichick would do? Plus, the new CBA protects theses guys, the coaches can't even get after them that way anymore.

Let me ask you, did you think the team was playing well before Ben got hurt? I think that's the positive you have to look for, it was Bens first game back Sunday, team was obviously out of sync, lets see how they do in Dallas before writing them off for the season. I still think they can get on a roll, the secondary concerns me now though, that could ruin us for sure, we need Ike back.
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What would he do that Tomlin isn't? Simple question but there's no simple answer. I don't know what Tomlin should be doing differently because I'm not there to see it myself. What I do know is it's his responsibility to fix problems that arise. That's his job. Yeah, he benched and then scratched Mendy, and I wrote a book about my issues with that in another thread. He demoted Wallace on paper only, although Wallace admitted himself that it changed nothing. It was a meaningless move that affected nothing. Wallace got the same number of snaps he would have otherwise. The depth chart is meaningless to everyone but fantasy football fans. The fact is that when players continue to make stupid mistakes, it's Tomlin's job to fix it. When we have Oline problems for 5+ years, it's Tomlin's job to fix it. When we can't get pressure on the QB for 2 years, it's Tomlin's job to fix it. When we can't get turnovers, it's Tomlin's job to fix it. I don't know how he can fix those problems, if I had that answer I would be working for the Pittsburgh Steelers. What I do know with 100% certainty is that it's on Tomlin to find a way to fix those problems. Are the players all clinically retarded and as such are too simple to understand direction? Perhaps, but then it's on Tomlin to either make them understand and make them play well, or get new players. If the starters are playing undisciplined and showing up to camp fat, then those starters should become backups.

So what, he yelled at the team after a loss. Every coach on earth has yelled at their team. He suspended Mendy, yet he appears to let the rest of the team do whatever the hell they want with no repercussions. He's taking a stand against Mendy for a reason that I can't understand. Scratch the teams most talented RB because in his 2nd game of the year he fumbled the ball? Really? That's what Tomlin is going to take a stand on. Wallace can drop 50 balls per year, admit he loses focus in the middle of games, and that's perfectly fine. The same morons commit the same penalties every single week, yet nothing is done about them. It's beyond ridiculous at this point.

You're right though, Tomlin can't practice more often, but he sure can practice differently. During the Pats practice, Belichek simulated JJ Watt's ability to bat down balls, and look what happened, JJ Watt was a non-factor. Perhaps Tomlin needs to run his practices differently. Perhaps what he's doing in practice is ineffective. Perhaps Tomlin's insistence on never looking back at past games is the reason our guys keep making the same damn mistakes every week.

What I do know is something has to change. We've been having some of the same problems for years now and there doesn't appear to be a light at the end of the tunnel.
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I know, I get it, starts at the top and Tomlin is at the top, I just think too much is being put on him and the players are being given a pass for being imbeciles. I mean really, does AB need to be told to kick the ball out of bounds? Or just fall on it? The stupid penalties like the ones that keep negating good returns? All the holding penalties? I can't get on Tomlin for that, you know every coach down the line is preaching that to those guys. As for turnovers, if that has do to with scheme and I'm not sure it is, I'm referencing your thoughts from another post here, that won't change until DL retires, no way will Tomlin usurp DL. I think mostly its just that our DB's can't catch. And they are trying to fix the line, no one could foresee our top 2 picks being hurt, and it's more then them, we got guys out, guys always shuffling positions, it's tough like that. And I don't think they are done addressing the line yet either, I think you will see some more high draft choices that go towards that next year.

I think Tomlin can probably prepare his guys better, I'll give you that, and I'm talking about film prep, not rah rah crap, these guys are professionals, they shouldn't need a coach to tell them to get up for a game. Belichick definitely has that over everyone else, he prepares like a mother f--ker
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You are 100% right. Antonio Brown shouldn't need to be told to kick the ball out of bounds or just fall on the god damn thing. He should know better. He also shouldn't need to be told to not run backwards. Perhaps that's the problem, perhaps Tomlin has the same attitude. Perhaps Tomlin believes he doesn't need to tell these guys this stuff because they should know better. The problem is, these idiot players don't seem to know better. Our guys come across as complete morons. Perhaps it's time to start from square one. Go back to the basics. Have Antonio Brown spend an entire practice falling on a ball. Have Brown fall on a football 500 times, then have him run 800 yards backwards since he apparently likes to run backwards like an *******.

You're right, I don't think Tomlin will usurp DL, but it's about time he took over this team. He is the head coach and he has a defensive background. I don't care if God himself is our DC, if things aren't working, then Tomlin needs to step in and make sure it works. I just can't accept the same problems year after year. We had losing seasons under Cowher, and I can handle a losing season, it happens to the best of them. What I can't handle is watching a team implode the way we do. Watching our players come into camp fat and out of shape every year. Listening to our guys admit they weren't prepared for a game. That's just unacceptable in week 1, let alone week 14. It should happen once and only once, and then never again. You're right, the players are at fault as they are the ones that need to execute the game plan, but if the problems continue week after week, year after year, you have to look past the players. You can only blame the players so many times before the blame gets redirected to the guy who is supposed to hold the players accountable.

shaner82, Dec 12, 2012

shaner82, Dec 12, 2012

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Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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shaner82 said: ↑

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

shaner82 said: ↑

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

shaner82 said: ↑

bnasty23 said: ↑

shaner82 said: ↑

I think we would look like the Pats currently do and the Pats would look like the Steelers have this year. Belichek makes all the difference in the world. An argument could be made that if Brady hadn't been paired up with Belichek that Brady never would have turned into a HOF'er. Sure, Brady is clearly an elite QB now and will remain elite no matter who is his coach, but during his development years, I can't help but wonder if Belichek turned him into what he is now. Belichek made Matt Cassell look like a pro bowler, and that's no easy task.
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Shaner82
I see that you a senior member of this board, which tells me you follow the team closely. I have a question for you, every thread I see you post and although my name is not in the senior member, I have follow this board under the old message board and this great message board and you always talking of other coaches. I have never seem you post anything positive. Yes I have read a few of your threads under the Bill C era as well. So if you please can you tell me one thing positive about the Steelers. I know it easy to find negative but what are some positives. I believe Tomlin Era stated it best what has Belicheat done that was so great cause I am in the what have you done for me lately age. I will recap for you. Won alot of regular season games, playoff, and had a perfect season to lose super bowl. Mike Tomlin no losing season since becoming a coach of the Steelers, won one superbowl and lose another. I do believe Belicheat won most of his superbowls when Bill was running the Steelers so what was you saying then we need a new coach. Shaner82 you always to say this team is no prepared, well I am here to tell you just read what a coach can and can't do during practice (Roger G.). Second all these motivation speeches to get team ready to play, Thanks to ESPN I hear Ray Lewis speech every week and what have the Raven done lost 3 in a row to get OC fired. If i made million and million of dollar I don't need no speech I will go do my job. I am sure you go to work and what speech do your boss give to get you to work harder?
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What is there that's positive about this team right now? The last 2 seasons have been brutal. Just because I'm a fan of a team doesn't mean I'm going to start pulling positive thoughts out of my ass and spreading them around. I love the Steelers and desperately want them to win, but that doesn't mean I'm going to be positive about this team when they don't deserve it. I just don't see how anyone can be positive about this team right now. Sure, we have a chance to make the playoffs, but there's not a single aspect of this team that's playing well right now. When they start playing consistently good football, I will be positive, until then, I have nothing good to say about this team.

As for Belichek, I don't understand how anyone can doubt he's a good coach. His team shows up to play every week. Belichek's teams never seem to make the same mistakes constantly. He makes sure they're prepared to play and he makes sure they don't repeat mistakes. He holds them accountable, all of them, not just certain players. They play disciplined, mistake free football. On the other hand, our guys do nothing but come to games unprepared, come to camp fat and out of shape year after year after year, the same guys are constantly committing penalties, etc. We've had the same problems year after year with this team and nothing seems to be changing.

You can say what you want about the pats not winning a SB recently, but every single year they are in contention to win the SB. Only one team can win, and no matter how good a team is they're not going to win every year, or every other year for that matter. Look how good GB was last year and they didn't win the SB. It's incredibly difficult to win the SB even if you are a very good team. The fact is, the Pats will be in a position to win it all every year and they'll get close every year. Belichek is a very good coach. Even if you want to convince yourself that Tomlin is a better coach than Belichek, lets not pretend that Belichek isn't a great coach. Denying that fact sounds like sour grapes.
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I'll try this with you Shaner, you and I disagree on things but at least you can have an adult conversation without making it personal. No doubt, Belichick is a great coach, I would go as far to even say the best but people put him on a pedestal which I think is a little silly. I'd venture to guess that maybe, maybe, we would have one more victory then we do now and I'm being generous. And the reason I say that is because what do you think he would be doing that Tomlin isn't? And Tomlins entire coaching staff? You're a guy that's always trying to inject realism into conversations that involve the refs, you call out people who seem to think that the refs are always out to get us, and I agree with that 100%. You need to do that here, with Tomlin and the coaches. You've seen Tomlin bench players now, you've seen him move players down the depth chart, you've seen a player suspended now for setting a bad example. After Sundays game, he was heard blasting the guys about how they just played, it was on the home page here with the feeds, so if he's doing all that, what's left? It's the players. They aren't getting the message Shaner, what would you like Tomlin to do? What do you think Belichick would do? Plus, the new CBA protects theses guys, the coaches can't even get after them that way anymore.

Let me ask you, did you think the team was playing well before Ben got hurt? I think that's the positive you have to look for, it was Bens first game back Sunday, team was obviously out of sync, lets see how they do in Dallas before writing them off for the season. I still think they can get on a roll, the secondary concerns me now though, that could ruin us for sure, we need Ike back.
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What would he do that Tomlin isn't? Simple question but there's no simple answer. I don't know what Tomlin should be doing differently because I'm not there to see it myself. What I do know is it's his responsibility to fix problems that arise. That's his job. Yeah, he benched and then scratched Mendy, and I wrote a book about my issues with that in another thread. He demoted Wallace on paper only, although Wallace admitted himself that it changed nothing. It was a meaningless move that affected nothing. Wallace got the same number of snaps he would have otherwise. The depth chart is meaningless to everyone but fantasy football fans. The fact is that when players continue to make stupid mistakes, it's Tomlin's job to fix it. When we have Oline problems for 5+ years, it's Tomlin's job to fix it. When we can't get pressure on the QB for 2 years, it's Tomlin's job to fix it. When we can't get turnovers, it's Tomlin's job to fix it. I don't know how he can fix those problems, if I had that answer I would be working for the Pittsburgh Steelers. What I do know with 100% certainty is that it's on Tomlin to find a way to fix those problems. Are the players all clinically retarded and as such are too simple to understand direction? Perhaps, but then it's on Tomlin to either make them understand and make them play well, or get new players. If the starters are playing undisciplined and showing up to camp fat, then those starters should become backups.

So what, he yelled at the team after a loss. Every coach on earth has yelled at their team. He suspended Mendy, yet he appears to let the rest of the team do whatever the hell they want with no repercussions. He's taking a stand against Mendy for a reason that I can't understand. Scratch the teams most talented RB because in his 2nd game of the year he fumbled the ball? Really? That's what Tomlin is going to take a stand on. Wallace can drop 50 balls per year, admit he loses focus in the middle of games, and that's perfectly fine. The same morons commit the same penalties every single week, yet nothing is done about them. It's beyond ridiculous at this point.

You're right though, Tomlin can't practice more often, but he sure can practice differently. During the Pats practice, Belichek simulated JJ Watt's ability to bat down balls, and look what happened, JJ Watt was a non-factor. Perhaps Tomlin needs to run his practices differently. Perhaps what he's doing in practice is ineffective. Perhaps Tomlin's insistence on never looking back at past games is the reason our guys keep making the same damn mistakes every week.

What I do know is something has to change. We've been having some of the same problems for years now and there doesn't appear to be a light at the end of the tunnel.
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I know, I get it, starts at the top and Tomlin is at the top, I just think too much is being put on him and the players are being given a pass for being imbeciles. I mean really, does AB need to be told to kick the ball out of bounds? Or just fall on it? The stupid penalties like the ones that keep negating good returns? All the holding penalties? I can't get on Tomlin for that, you know every coach down the line is preaching that to those guys. As for turnovers, if that has do to with scheme and I'm not sure it is, I'm referencing your thoughts from another post here, that won't change until DL retires, no way will Tomlin usurp DL. I think mostly its just that our DB's can't catch. And they are trying to fix the line, no one could foresee our top 2 picks being hurt, and it's more then them, we got guys out, guys always shuffling positions, it's tough like that. And I don't think they are done addressing the line yet either, I think you will see some more high draft choices that go towards that next year.

I think Tomlin can probably prepare his guys better, I'll give you that, and I'm talking about film prep, not rah rah crap, these guys are professionals, they shouldn't need a coach to tell them to get up for a game. Belichick definitely has that over everyone else, he prepares like a mother f--ker
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You are 100% right. Antonio Brown shouldn't need to be told to kick the ball out of bounds or just fall on the god damn thing. He should know better. He also shouldn't need to be told to not run backwards. Perhaps that's the problem, perhaps Tomlin has the same attitude. Perhaps Tomlin believes he doesn't need to tell these guys this stuff because they should know better. The problem is, these idiot players don't seem to know better. Our guys come across as complete morons. Perhaps it's time to start from square one. Go back to the basics. Have Antonio Brown spend an entire practice falling on a ball. Have Brown fall on a football 500 times, then have him run 800 yards backwards since he apparently likes to run backwards like an *******.

You're right, I don't think Tomlin will usurp DL, but it's about time he took over this team. He is the head coach and he has a defensive background. I don't care if God himself is our DC, if things aren't working, then Tomlin needs to step in and make sure it works. I just can't accept the same problems year after year. We had losing seasons under Cowher, and I can handle a losing season, it happens to the best of them. What I can't handle is watching a team implode the way we do. Watching our players come into camp fat and out of shape every year. Listening to our guys admit they weren't prepared for a game. That's just unacceptable in week 1, let alone week 14. It should happen once and only once, and then never again. You're right, the players are at fault as they are the ones that need to execute the game plan, but if the problems continue week after week, year after year, you have to look past the players. You can only blame the players so many times before the blame gets redirected to the guy who is supposed to hold the players accountable.
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That's fair. This season has definitely been very unpleasant. Like many fans here, I totally look forward to Sundays and watching this team play, and far too many times the games have just been uncomfortable to watch. I mean, no one likes to see a loss but when its just so ugly like it was Sunday, very disheartening. Here's hoping we see not only a win against Dallas but a good solid all around game.

Blast Furnace, Dec 12, 2012

Blast Furnace, Dec 12, 2012

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Not sure this is the right thread for my first post, but what the hell here goes. I think one of the big issues this year is leadership, but as much player leadership as coaching leadership. There was a big vacuum when Aaron Smith, Hines, Farrior, and Hoke. All of those guys were strong personalities and strong leaders. That's one of those intangibles that you can't measure. All of those guys commanded a lot of respect from both sides of the ball, and I don't see anyone with the exception of Keisel and Clark, trying to fill those shoes, maybe Pouncey. There's an accountability factor among the players that seems to be missing somewhat. Can't all be Tomlin.

Snapman, Dec 12, 2012

Snapman, Dec 12, 2012

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Snapman said: ↑

Not sure this is the right thread for my first post, but what the hell here goes. I think one of the big issues this year is leadership, but as much player leadership as coaching leadership. There was a big vacuum when Aaron Smith, Hines, Farrior, and Hoke. All of those guys were strong personalities and strong leaders. That's one of those intangibles that you can't measure. All of those guys commanded a lot of respect from both sides of the ball, and I don't see anyone with the exception of Keisel and Clark, trying to fill those shoes, maybe Pouncey. There's an accountability factor among the players that seems to be missing somewhat. Can't all be Tomlin.
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Good first post. Welcome aboard.

TerribleTowelFlying, Dec 12, 2012

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shaner82 said: ↑

I think we would look like the Pats currently do and the Pats would look like the Steelers have this year. Belichek makes all the difference in the world. An argument could be made that if Brady hadn't been paired up with Belichek that Brady never would have turned into a HOF'er. Sure, Brady is clearly an elite QB now and will remain elite no matter who is his coach, but during his development years, I can't help but wonder if Belichek turned him into what he is now. Belichek made Matt Cassell look like a pro bowler, and that's no easy task.
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Yes, Brady is a great QB, but his receivers are also a big part on the equation. They get open quickly and he fires the ball fast. Ours do not get open as fast and in the NFL seconds count.

bettissb40, Dec 12, 2012

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Snapman said: ↑

Not sure this is the right thread for my first post, but what the hell here goes. I think one of the big issues this year is leadership, but as much player leadership as coaching leadership. There was a big vacuum when Aaron Smith, Hines, Farrior, and Hoke. All of those guys were strong personalities and strong leaders. That's one of those intangibles that you can't measure. All of those guys commanded a lot of respect from both sides of the ball, and I don't see anyone with the exception of Keisel and Clark, trying to fill those shoes, maybe Pouncey. There's an accountability factor among the players that seems to be missing somewhat. Can't all be Tomlin.
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what a lemonhead

Dwinsgames, Dec 12, 2012

Dwinsgames, Dec 12, 2012

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Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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Dwinsgames said: ↑

Snapman said: ↑

Not sure this is the right thread for my first post, but what the hell here goes. I think one of the big issues this year is leadership, but as much player leadership as coaching leadership. There was a big vacuum when Aaron Smith, Hines, Farrior, and Hoke. All of those guys were strong personalities and strong leaders. That's one of those intangibles that you can't measure. All of those guys commanded a lot of respect from both sides of the ball, and I don't see anyone with the exception of Keisel and Clark, trying to fill those shoes, maybe Pouncey. There's an accountability factor among the players that seems to be missing somewhat. Can't all be Tomlin.
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what a lemonhead
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You're such an insecure sensitive little twat you know that? All you do is go around insulting people who don't agree with your dumb little statistics that alarm only a dunce like you because you're too much of a simpleton to realize that upsets happen every week in the NFL. Crawl back to your other **** board would you, you're not going to fit in here, people actually have their own opinions on this board ya freaking commie.

Blast Furnace, Dec 12, 2012

Blast Furnace, Dec 12, 2012

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Dwinsgames Well-Known Member

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Tomlin_Era said: ↑

Dwinsgames said: ↑

Snapman said: ↑

Not sure this is the right thread for my first post, but what the hell here goes. I think one of the big issues this year is leadership, but as much player leadership as coaching leadership. There was a big vacuum when Aaron Smith, Hines, Farrior, and Hoke. All of those guys were strong personalities and strong leaders. That's one of those intangibles that you can't measure. All of those guys commanded a lot of respect from both sides of the ball, and I don't see anyone with the exception of Keisel and Clark, trying to fill those shoes, maybe Pouncey. There's an accountability factor among the players that seems to be missing somewhat. Can't all be Tomlin.
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what a lemonhead
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You're such an insecure sensitive little twat you know that? All you do is go around insulting people who don't agree with your dumb little statistics that alarm only a dunce like you because you're too much of a simpleton to realize that upsets happen every week in the NFL. Crawl back to your other **** board would you, you're not going to fit in here, people actually have their own opinions on this board ya freaking commie.
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oh really ???

well well look at the pot calling the kettle black ... For your information Snapman is Lemonhead on another forum

now don't you feel stupid !

maybe it is you that need to grow the hell up and take some of his own advice with your snide remarks and childish attitude that always answers a question by deflection so as to not look bad by not knowing what your talking about 75% or more of the time ...

in other words LOOK IN THE MIRROR

Dwinsgames, Dec 12, 2012

Dwinsgames, Dec 12, 2012

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Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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Dwinsgames said: ↑

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

Dwinsgames said: ↑

Snapman said: ↑

Not sure this is the right thread for my first post, but what the hell here goes. I think one of the big issues this year is leadership, but as much player leadership as coaching leadership. There was a big vacuum when Aaron Smith, Hines, Farrior, and Hoke. All of those guys were strong personalities and strong leaders. That's one of those intangibles that you can't measure. All of those guys commanded a lot of respect from both sides of the ball, and I don't see anyone with the exception of Keisel and Clark, trying to fill those shoes, maybe Pouncey. There's an accountability factor among the players that seems to be missing somewhat. Can't all be Tomlin.
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what a lemonhead
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You're such an insecure sensitive little twat you know that? All you do is go around insulting people who don't agree with your dumb little statistics that alarm only a dunce like you because you're too much of a simpleton to realize that upsets happen every week in the NFL. Crawl back to your other **** board would you, you're not going to fit in here, people actually have their own opinions on this board ya freaking commie.
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oh really ???

well well look at the pot calling the kettle black ... For your information Snapman is Lemonhead on another forum

now don't you feel stupid !
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No, why would I feel stupid when I don't know the guy and I've seen you insult several posters already? Everything I said true about you, piss off.

Blast Furnace, Dec 12, 2012

Blast Furnace, Dec 12, 2012

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Dwinsgames Well-Known Member

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Tomlin_Era said: ↑

Dwinsgames said: ↑

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

Dwinsgames said: ↑

Snapman said: ↑

Not sure this is the right thread for my first post, but what the hell here goes. I think one of the big issues this year is leadership, but as much player leadership as coaching leadership. There was a big vacuum when Aaron Smith, Hines, Farrior, and Hoke. All of those guys were strong personalities and strong leaders. That's one of those intangibles that you can't measure. All of those guys commanded a lot of respect from both sides of the ball, and I don't see anyone with the exception of Keisel and Clark, trying to fill those shoes, maybe Pouncey. There's an accountability factor among the players that seems to be missing somewhat. Can't all be Tomlin.
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what a lemonhead
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You're such an insecure sensitive little twat you know that? All you do is go around insulting people who don't agree with your dumb little statistics that alarm only a dunce like you because you're too much of a simpleton to realize that upsets happen every week in the NFL. Crawl back to your other **** board would you, you're not going to fit in here, people actually have their own opinions on this board ya freaking commie.
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oh really ???

well well look at the pot calling the kettle black ... For your information Snapman is Lemonhead on another forum

now don't you feel stupid !
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No, why would I feel stupid when I don't know the guy and I've seen you insult several posters already? Everything I said true about you, piss off.
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fa-q

Dwinsgames, Dec 12, 2012

Dwinsgames, Dec 12, 2012

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Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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Dwinsgames said: ↑

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

Dwinsgames said: ↑

Snapman said: ↑

Not sure this is the right thread for my first post, but what the hell here goes. I think one of the big issues this year is leadership, but as much player leadership as coaching leadership. There was a big vacuum when Aaron Smith, Hines, Farrior, and Hoke. All of those guys were strong personalities and strong leaders. That's one of those intangibles that you can't measure. All of those guys commanded a lot of respect from both sides of the ball, and I don't see anyone with the exception of Keisel and Clark, trying to fill those shoes, maybe Pouncey. There's an accountability factor among the players that seems to be missing somewhat. Can't all be Tomlin.
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what a lemonhead
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You're such an insecure sensitive little twat you know that? All you do is go around insulting people who don't agree with your dumb little statistics that alarm only a dunce like you because you're too much of a simpleton to realize that upsets happen every week in the NFL. Crawl back to your other **** board would you, you're not going to fit in here, people actually have their own opinions on this board ya freaking commie.
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oh really ???

well well look at the pot calling the kettle black ... For your information Snapman is Lemonhead on another forum

now don't you feel stupid !

maybe it is you that need to grow the hell up and take some of his own advice with your snide remarks and childish attitude that always answers a question by deflection so as to not look bad by not knowing what your talking about 75% or more of the time ...

in other words LOOK IN THE MIRROR
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You should take your own advice pal, go back and find me 1 post of mine where I insulted you to start this fight, won't find one, you threw a hissy fit earlier because I was disagreeing with you and then you started with the insults. Yeah, you're a mature one all right:thumbsup:

Blast Furnace, Dec 12, 2012

Blast Furnace, Dec 12, 2012

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Tomlin_Era said: ↑

Dwinsgames said: ↑

Snapman said: ↑

Not sure this is the right thread for my first post, but what the hell here goes. I think one of the big issues this year is leadership, but as much player leadership as coaching leadership. There was a big vacuum when Aaron Smith, Hines, Farrior, and Hoke. All of those guys were strong personalities and strong leaders. That's one of those intangibles that you can't measure. All of those guys commanded a lot of respect from both sides of the ball, and I don't see anyone with the exception of Keisel and Clark, trying to fill those shoes, maybe Pouncey. There's an accountability factor among the players that seems to be missing somewhat. Can't all be Tomlin.
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what a lemonhead
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You're such an insecure sensitive little twat you know that? All you do is go around insulting people who don't agree with your dumb little statistics that alarm only a dunce like you because you're too much of a simpleton to realize that upsets happen every week in the NFL. Crawl back to your other **** board would you, you're not going to fit in here, people actually have their own opinions on this board ya freaking commie.
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No worries, he's been abusing me for years.....al the way back to the OSMB.

Snapman, Dec 14, 2012

Snapman, Dec 14, 2012

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Dwinsgames Well-Known Member

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Snapman said: ↑

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

Dwinsgames said: ↑

Snapman said: ↑

Not sure this is the right thread for my first post, but what the hell here goes. I think one of the big issues this year is leadership, but as much player leadership as coaching leadership. There was a big vacuum when Aaron Smith, Hines, Farrior, and Hoke. All of those guys were strong personalities and strong leaders. That's one of those intangibles that you can't measure. All of those guys commanded a lot of respect from both sides of the ball, and I don't see anyone with the exception of Keisel and Clark, trying to fill those shoes, maybe Pouncey. There's an accountability factor among the players that seems to be missing somewhat. Can't all be Tomlin.
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what a lemonhead
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You're such an insecure sensitive little twat you know that? All you do is go around insulting people who don't agree with your dumb little statistics that alarm only a dunce like you because you're too much of a simpleton to realize that upsets happen every week in the NFL. Crawl back to your other **** board would you, you're not going to fit in here, people actually have their own opinions on this board ya freaking commie.
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No worries, he's been abusing me for years.....al the way back to the OSMB.
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gee thanks bro

Dwinsgames, Dec 14, 2012

Dwinsgames, Dec 14, 2012

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I mean that affectionately!!......Where's the wink icon???

Snapman, Dec 14, 2012

Snapman, Dec 14, 2012

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darcrav Well-Known Member

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WHAT???
Where's Myron and his popcorn?
i can't believe i missed this.I'm really freaking surprised about Myron.

back on topic
What the hell is Bill writing in his notepad all game?

darcrav, Dec 14, 2012

darcrav, Dec 14, 2012

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I don't post just read and admire, but as much as I dislike the Pats and Belicheat...the man can coach up his players because he fits a system to the players or players to a system and is forwardly thinking to know when to do which. Just look at Cassel hardly played a down at USC, taken seventh round at 230th, but takes over for Brady in game one of 2008, plays lights out more often than not, wins 10 games and misses the playoffs by a nose. If you're curious you can check out Cassel 2008 at this link. It's a pretty impressive season. Especially as compared to Cassel 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012.

http://archive.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=playerbio&bio=30943

rsilver3, Dec 14, 2012

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aces4me Well-Known Member

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Not to pick nits but they won 11 that year with Cassel as the QB. One of the few 11-5 teams to miss the playoffs.

aces4me, Dec 14, 2012

aces4me, Dec 14, 2012

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Rush2seven Well-Known Member

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aces4me said: ↑

Not to pick nits but they won 11 that year with Cassel as the QB. One of the few 11-5 teams to miss the playoffs.
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Well, I guess if there had been 14 or 16 teams in the playoffs, then the Steelers would have had to play the Patriots

Rush2seven, Dec 14, 2012

Rush2seven, Dec 14, 2012

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Myronwemissyinz TSF Supporter

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darcrav said: ↑

WHAT???
Where's Myron and his popcorn?
i can't believe i missed this.I'm really freaking surprised about Myron.

back on topic
What the hell is Bill writing in his notepad all game?
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I havent been here for a week or so. Also have not read all the post in this thread. Just glanced. However my opinion is the same as my post very early in this thread.

As Bum said of Bear.."He could take hisn and beat yourn. Than take yourn and beat hisn".

Thats Belichick in todays NFL. THE BEST!!

Myronwemissyinz, Dec 14, 2012

Myronwemissyinz, Dec 14, 2012

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blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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Myronwemissyinz said: ↑

darcrav said: ↑

WHAT???
Where's Myron and his popcorn?
i can't believe i missed this.I'm really freaking surprised about Myron.

back on topic
What the hell is Bill writing in his notepad all game?
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I havent been here for a week or so. Also have not read all the post in this thread. Just glanced. However my opinion is the same as my post very early in this thread.

As Bum said of Bear.."He could take hisn and beat yourn. Than take yourn and beat hisn".

Thats Belichick in todays NFL. THE BEST!!
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I agree with Myron. I just think that Belichik is a football genius. Also the question was not "would Bill win the Super Bowl?" But just "would Bill have a better record?" and I'd guess that he would. I mean he's used to winning more than 10 games per year right? So is Tomlin but I'm just saying. I don't think you have to LIKE Bill to simply admit that he knows the game of football and he knows EXACTLY what he's looking for in a player. The one thing that would probably drive us CRAZY as Steeler fans though is how he gets rid of guys so frequently. I mean we'd have a guy growing on us only to wake up one morning to find out that he'd been sent to the Rams for a 3rd round pick or something. LOL. That's GOTTA drive Pats fans crazy! I think our jersey sales would CERTAINLY suffer with Bill at the helm. LOL. I always try and buy the guys that are gonna be here but with Bill here you'd never know.

blountforcetrauma, Dec 14, 2012

blountforcetrauma, Dec 14, 2012

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Dwinsgames Well-Known Member

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I think that might be part of the issue in this thread ... defining who you think would do a better job is not proclaiming you would want him as the head coach ...

I think Billicheat would win 11+ with this same squad we have in Pittsburgh now even with the injuries ...

I would not want Billicheat as the head Coach under any set of circumstances ....

Dwinsgames, Dec 14, 2012

Dwinsgames, Dec 14, 2012

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I think that might be part of the issue in this thread ... defining who you think would do a better job is not proclaiming you would want him as the head coach ...

I think Billicheat would win 11+ with this same squad we have in Pittsburgh now even with the injuries ...

I would not want Billicheat as the head Coach under any set of circumstances ....
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Id take Billicheat in a heart beat over Deer in the headlights Tomlin!!!!

Myronwemissyinz, Dec 14, 2012

Myronwemissyinz, Dec 14, 2012

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Myronwemissyinz said: ↑

Dwinsgames said: ↑

I think that might be part of the issue in this thread ... defining who you think would do a better job is not proclaiming you would want him as the head coach ...

I think Billicheat would win 11+ with this same squad we have in Pittsburgh now even with the injuries ...

I would not want Billicheat as the head Coach under any set of circumstances ....
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Id take Billicheat in a heart beat over Deer in the headlights Tomlin!!!!
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I didn't know you were'nt a Tomlin fan Myron. I've always felt like I stick out like a sore thumb around here for liking Bill. I can't help it. I just like the guy. I think the ONLY thing he cares about is his team. He has no sentiment for players. You either shape up or ship out. I like that idea. Also he conducted my all time favorite presser in 07 in wk 2. He was being asked NOTHING but questions about the Spygate thing and ALL he would say is "I'm just thinking about the Chargers". I think he said it 17 times! LOLOLOLOL! Then they went out and beat them like a bunch of red headed stepkids! I think when he talks about not looking ahead and preparing and not letting in distractions I think he really means it and I respect that. He's not giving lip service to anyone.

blountforcetrauma, Dec 14, 2012

blountforcetrauma, Dec 14, 2012

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Myronwemissyinz said: ↑

Dwinsgames said: ↑

I think that might be part of the issue in this thread ... defining who you think would do a better job is not proclaiming you would want him as the head coach ...

I think Billicheat would win 11+ with this same squad we have in Pittsburgh now even with the injuries ...

I would not want Billicheat as the head Coach under any set of circumstances ....
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Id take Billicheat in a heart beat over Deer in the headlights Tomlin!!!!
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I didn't know you were'nt a Tomlin fan Myron. I've always felt like I stick out like a sore thumb around here for liking Bill. I can't help it. I just like the guy. I think the ONLY thing he cares about is his team. He has no sentiment for players. You either shape up or ship out. I like that idea. Also he conducted my all time favorite presser in 07 in wk 2. He was being asked NOTHING but questions about the Spygate thing and ALL he would say is "I'm just thinking about the Chargers". I think he said it 17 times! LOLOLOLOL! Then they went out and beat them like a bunch of red headed stepkids! I think when he talks about not looking ahead and preparing and not letting in distractions I think he really means it and I respect that. He's not giving lip service to anyone.
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Im not a hugh Tomlin fan. I give him a 70%.We could do worse. But yinz asking who I want as my coach Bill or Mike. No brainer.

Myronwemissyinz, Dec 14, 2012

Myronwemissyinz, Dec 14, 2012

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