lack of turnovers by our defense

there was an article saying that lack of turnovers is primarily due to lack of talent. I think it's more of lack of proper coaching. I've seen team that give up yards but produces more turnovers than us. I think our defensive coaches are not teaching our defense how to strip the ball from runners.

 

Not teaching the players how to strip the ball? Yeah that's it!

 

colts have gotten less and given it away more yet they have a better record

if the secondary looked for the ball more than looking at the player so they can land a big "legal" hit they would have more picks
that's for damn sure.

 

Nope, sorry I thinnk it is talent but maybe from the standpoint of injuries keeping the better talent off the field if this is the article you were referrring to:
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories...wreaking-turnover-machine-it-once-was-666329/

I found Woodley's quotes in the article intersting. His excuse is that opposing quarterbacks are throwing the ball more quickly to avoid the Steelers pass rush ie, "Teams are doing stuff differently against us. Teams are doing a lot of 3-step and get rid of the ball when they play against us. They haven't been holding the ball that long. That's what most teams are doing against us this year. We're just not getting any turnovers because they're getting rid of the ball."

Sorry LaMarr but that's total BS. All teams deploy 3 step drop passing no matter who they're playing and the fact is other teams still sack those QB's more often than we have for 2 years running now. I'll buy low sack totals being driven by injuries to multiple star players at the same time but the 3 step drop crap is a lame excuse. Bottom line is that some of these guys need to step up and beat the guy in front of them and get to the QB.

 

Sorry, if a coach has to teach a professional defensive player how to strip the ball, they shouldn't be ni the NFL.

 

I agree! But who teaches the coach how to coach

 

Well, then LaMarr, if you see what other teams are doing to avoid your almighty pass rush, then how about you adjust what YOU are doing???

 

Fear, you realize that would take an individual who is motivated and ambitious to improve.
Woodley?more like Hardly.It would interfere with twitterville and facebook time

 

Good point.

 

I was thinking the main reason for Woodley's lack of production is the fact that he can't stay healthy enough to play. But maybe that's just me. For whatever reason though our D is not the turnover machine it once was and that totally sucks.

 

i have said this before. our younger coaches are inexpierienced. so is our head cheese MT. i think he misses BA in that regard. i think there was some head coaching help going on there. a teacher to tomlin. now he's not there. scottie montgomery is young. if nothing else BA was a very good WR coach. i still think that was where he was the best. our guys thrived under him and we picked very well when he was here at that position. i think he kind of held the offense together for MT. i'm not saying all spots were his strong suite, but wr was.


i think the offense lost it's way so far. MT doesn't have his right hand man. haley, MT,ben, scottie,kirby, have not meshed well yet. kuglar may not agree with the way things were going either and is bolting. maybe a slight power struggle going on, i don't know. everybody is trying to play nice, but they have their own way of wanting things to run. the guy MT counted on isn't there now. i'm saying this with MT's perspective in mind, not my high opinion of BA as an OC. though as i said i liked him as a wr coach.

 

Is their offense executing better? They could give it away, but defense stops the opposing drive, then the offense scores.

The Steelers offense is anemic. This occurred under BA, and now Haley. This is why I believe the issue is player execution.

 

Well, this team has issues that's for sure. The D doesn't turn it over. The O looks lost, sometimes for entire games. The special teams may be the worst of any group potentially to make the playoffs. The sad thing is, I truly believe that this team has the talent to do great things, but they never seem to put it together. It is going to be a painful offseason, because vets without starters behind them, are going to be let go off this team, we are going to make changes for sure.

 

yep
that's what i'm saying too

 

No you are right, but thats a whole other issue in itself isnt it?? WHY cant he stay healthy?

 

Makes me wonder about our strength and conditioning coach. I wonder if he's doing different things than other teams in the league are doing. Woodley coming into camp out of shape every year definitely doesn't help his constant injury problems. The guy puts on way too much weight in the off season which is why it always takes half the year for him to get going.

 

Its both talent and coaching. You can only coach up so much ... You have to have the talent in order to coach it and if your coaching talented players and not getting their best then you need to change who is coaching them..

 

or how they are being coached .... a change is not always necessary if the guy doing the coaching has the ability to alter his methods

 

The lack of turnovers is somewhat due to the defensive scheme and philosophy - don't give up big plays (which has been accomplished for the most part) seems to equate to not making big plays, either. Has been that way for a couple of years. The Blitzburgh days were a high risk, high reward philosophy, and now we seem to be in a low risk, low reward style. Maybe this change is due to changes in talent, injury, or the offenses we face, I don't know, but it seems to be a clear change.

 

Blitzburgh was high risk, high reward, but it helped us win 2 Superbowls, so I don't understand why we've gotten away from it. I just don't see the lack of talent that some keep bringing up. Many of the players are the same. Harrison, Woodley, Troy, Foote, Hampton, Clark, Ike, Keisel. Sure, some of these guys have been hurt from time to time, but even when they've played we still haven't been able to get turnovers or pressure. Something has gone wrong somewhere

 

Well for some of these guys they are just not physically able to impose their will like in the past. Troy is injured all the time and pretty much non existant in the game now. Non factor I say. Harrison still needs time to get back to 100%.. So its age and injury as near as I can tell that is keeping this team from exceling

Bman

 

Let's also take the time to consider that the high-risk, high-reward style defense led to much more defensive scoring than we see, now. Off rip, I'd say that's the difference.

With all these high-powered offensive weapons the Steelers have, it doesn't seem as though they're putting up much more in points.

Could this be the difference? With lower-risk defense that protects against the big play and sacrifices the take-away, the offense has to put up more points and continue to eat clock. Now consider the new offensive scheme... no longer "ground and pound" so less likely to eat up clock. The offense still stalls and commits too many penalties. The offense is still not carrying its weight.

Perhaps the issue is one of balance?