Don’t get too excited with recent success

I guess we will have to agree to disagree, Ben was a wonderful talent his first 10 -12 years not so much after that.

 

So, this is profound

There are QB's that had mad skills that couldn't 'learn the playbook' and failed.
Ben is not one of them.

Peyton Manning was the king of knowing the playbook and going through it like he was Summit (a US supercomputer) while going to the line of scrimmage.
Ben was a lower level, though not too much lower. He knew the playbook exceptionally well.
What Ben was very good at, was that mind meld he had with his receivers. That data transfer that happened with a glance.
He also had good placement; he could put the ball in the right place.
His physical abilities faded, his passes weren't as sharp and he could no longer shake off LB's and make those big plays.
Even then, Ben was in the elite class, whether people like it or not. The proof is in every defensive coordinator that looked at the schedule and saw Big Ben and the Steelers on the schedule.

It's a shame Bell and Brown went nuts, that set the team back.
It's unknown what might have happened, but they sure added firepower to the Steelers offense.

I do wonder, it must be the cold in Pittsburgh that messes the mind up. After listening to JuJu recently, I am convinced that is what it is.

 

We couldn’t even win a playoff game for what 6 years

 

Oh, I remember. But if not winning the SB every year means a QB is a failure, we have 31 failures every year.

I'd argue that while Ben obviously wasn't the same as he was in his prime, the much bigger problem was the poor team coaching and playing around him. We've seen a lot of the same problems this year that we had when Ben was still playing. Ben, even in his later years, at least felt like he gave us a chance.

 

Its what happens before coffee.

 

Didn't have my coffee yet.

 

this is TRUE

ONCE we depended on him HEAVILY to win, we did not WIN as much. When Ben played with a GREAT D and running game, and threw 25 - 30x per game, the Steelers were at their best

some years, he was a TURNOVER MACHINE.

Ben, the GREAT ENIGMA!!

 

2 QB's come to mind immediately - there are others.
Dan Fouts and Dan Marino.
Then I think of the total loser that won a SB with the Ravens, actually two of them. Flacco and Dilfer.
Super Bowls don't come easy.

 

Flacco at least played really well that year in the playoffs. He was a big part of the reason the Ravens won that season. Put Eli Manning in that category, too, but the difference was he did it twice. He was a decent quarterback who had two strong postseason runs. Dilfer was mostly along for the ride.

 

well, THIS is not it.

it COULD be that Tomlin lets the inmates run the asylum....

 

exactly

Ben had the best weapons in the NFL for 3-4 years and we struggled to be a top 5 offense each year. He, Haley, Tomlin - something was wrong, that is for sure.

 

Sometimes I wonder if that strap on your foil hat is choking the blood flow off.

I have a real hard time envisioning Mike Tomlin being ran over by any player.
He does respect his players, but I've also seen him in action when they don't respect back.

Getting a new coach isn't an exact science as we've seen failures abound.
It is exciting and provides hours of posting pleasure.
Sometimes you hit, as we've seen on either side of us: Cincy and Philly
When that happens, it is great. It's what came in-between that I dislike.
There's a lot of Jim Zorn's out there.

In the meantime, I prefer he spend his time evaluating his two field generals - Austin and Canada.
Those two own their units and are accountable.

 

I wonder if they are going to even consider moving on from Austin so quickly, especially after a season in which Watt was either out or severely limited most of the way. I'm certainly not impressed with what they have done. You have to be able to adjust when injuries hit and they really haven't. They are still running the same scheme, relying on trying to get pressure with only four rushers most of the time even though it isn't working. The disastrous run defense against the Ravens was also as much scheme as physical talent.

Canada is a problem. I worry that the offensive improvements later in the season will save his job. They shouldn't. The running game got better because the line started to play better and Harris got healthy. He just doesn't do enough to create openings for receivers, something we see other opposing offenses do consistently.

 

The problem I have with Austin is that he is regressing. I know injuries play a part of that and maybe there is a little buffer there.
But for example, they still seem to go to a "soft shell" in pressure packages and using LB's to get pressure which allows a good space in front of the DB's.
I do believe, that if they acquire a very good corner and snag an upgrade at ILB (more speed/range) and keep up the rotation quality, they get better.
But I would definitely have a sit down with Austin.

Canada, I still struggle with his schematics. I would admit that it does look better now as opposed to the season start, but I think that's more of a product of Kenny coming online. Trubisky is barely adequate. I do think with an upgrade at OT and monkey around with the depth, things get better provided Kenny stays on course. That sophomore years can be difficult.

Either way, as the old saying goes; "You are what your record is"

 

You know I like You, but You talk about people making up stuff....We were just in the AFC Championship in 2017....I don't know if You know this, but....You must win playoff games so you can get there. This is 2022, and Ben is not even playing. Also He miss all of 2019....So ...
1. It's not been 6 years
2. So if We went to the AFC Championship in 2017, He didn't play in 2019, and only played till 2021 how the hell is that 6 years for Ben???
3. Terry Bradshaw went longer with No playoff wins.., and I don't hold it against Him....Yet somehow that's OK. It either just shows Your bias, this is something You didn't know, or have chosen to forget.

 

We are fairly close though. We got waxed against the good teams without Watt, Minkah for a game or so, the entire secondary for another, and with a rookie QB starting his first games. Pickett's improvement will determine how good we can be. If he turns into a top 10 QB next season we will be a playoff team next year without a doubt. This team has improved immensely. Still a way to go before we are SB contenders, but we are headed in the right direction. A good offseason and some improvement in Pickett's game will make for an exciting 2023

 

yes|||| you must win a Superbowl every year, or you have failed that year. doesn't mean you are not great< or> a legend--- you just failed the fans that year.<but guess what theres always the next year to succeed unless you retire or whatever>

 

Ben and Terry------- Steeler--------- <legends> HEROES forever.