Edmunds

correct
or maybe never drafted Edmunds.....

 

correct

major 1st rounds draft failures 3 of 4 years (nice work Tombert - no plan, no real vision, just a dart board....)

we are feeling it, shortage of great players

 

See, this is where you go off the rails. Just because you don't agree with the plan doesn't mean there wasn't one. Colbert was too good at this for too long to say that.

Edmunds addressed a position of need and they thought they could harness his physical talent and develop him into a playmaker. Clearly, they made the wrong call and overdrafted him, but that doesn't mean they didn't have a plan.

Harris fit into a plan, too, one that we are seeing be more effective the second half of this season with the improved running game. Again, I don't agree with the plan. I think the focus should have been on the line first. Even going back to Bush, the idea behind the move made sense. They needed speed at inside linebacker and he seemed like a good fit. That the pick didn't pan out as they hoped doesn't mean there wasn't a reasonable plan in place.

 

I am not off the rails. You just disagree

We will be Top D, bone crushing TP, JH, Hampton style - suffocating the opponent? Or will be be pass happy Ben, score 30+, forget the run (don't worry about the oline), go soft - pass protect but forget the nasty mauling offensive lineman. that is what I mean. Tombert ruined us the past 8 season. Something is broken.

and yes, terrible talent evaluators and COACHES. Little developed. Cannot develop a CB, and no plan at RB until Najee and I contend THAT was the wrong pick, BUILD the OLINE. Now we are building that. Warren has shown that HE could be every day starter and with a GREAT Oline, could be very good. The Ben transition plan sucked, but it was going to suck. HOF QB leaving, never easy. As my post said last week, 2 re-builds are coming. the one now - with Pickett and the one AFTER Tomlin leaves in 2024 (or is traded, which is my hope...)

the Edmunds pick sucked, so did Artie Burns, so did Jarvis Jones. Need I go on?
NO ONE had him there in Rd 1.

 

Bush sucks too. Who saw him as a pick that highly touted that you trade up and give away your second? it sucks, he sucks. We run the podium like we are genius' and we are failing.

 

Again, making mistakes does not mean there is no plan. Take running back for example. I disagree with the plan. I thought they should have taken Chubb because I thought it was clear Bell would be gone and didn't trust Conner. That said, they did have a plan. They thought Conner could be the guy if Bell left, then brought in others to team with him. They went for later-round picks at the position, then when that didn't work, they targeted one in the first round.

Just because you disagree with their plans doesn't mean they don't have one. Your claim regarding it being a dartboard is ridiculous.

 

Najee is different, he was hurt the first half of the year.

 

The other link just happens to the highest graded Safety in the NFL lol.

 

Let's not rewrite history. Bush was worth the trade up until he got injured. He was a force and even got votes for defensive rookie of the year.

 

I think the answer is somewhere in between. He was trending in the right direction, but I don't think he had proven he was worth everything they gave up to get him just yet. It is hard to assume the idiocy and entitlement he has shown wouldn't have come up eventually even without the injury.

 

no he was not. not even close. how many votes, who? Who won that year? good try, he was promising as a rookie, he has some good games, made a few 'splash plays' although the INT vs. BALT was not even an INT,it hit the ground

then he got injured - and has sucked since - maybe never to be anything but a rotating LB. and special teamer. I think he is soft - not able to build that frame stronger and not mentally tough as the better LB's in the league.

 

jury still out on Najee. I like him in a lot of ways. But there are many big capable backs like him, that have been and can be grabbed in later rounds. he has come on of late, altho the whole team regressed agasint a SUCK Ravens team that we should have beat. I wanted to see more of a back that can catch (Lev like......). for a #1 pick, he is so so as of now. Maybe it is is foot, maybe it is not. Dumlin should have sat him more, if that was the case.

BTW - we saw with our own eyes that if you are weak in the trenches, then you are WEAK.

Najee was stuffed. and they stuffed IT down out throats.

 

He also seemed to take a step forward at the start of his second season. That defense wasn't quite the same after he blew out his knee.

 

I'd say it was a bit more than trending in the right direction, but that's fair.

Personally, I don't think it's a talent or athleticism issues. I think it's a character issue with Bush. I'd question the team's ability to evaluate player character in regards to that pick and a few others.

 

No one was going to beat Nick Bosa that year. It doesn't change the fact that he was considered. There were plenty of other players to choose from if Bush wasn't it lol.

my entire point is that he WAS a good player until that knee injury. He showed tons of promise and ability to make splash plays. I can understand why the team drafted him, but I question the character evaluation process.

Bush has the speed, athlecism and talent to play the position, but I think he's okay with being "just a guy" and lacks character.

 

Agreed. I get taking some time to regain his confidence and aggressiveness after a knee injury, but he never really got it back. I think part of that is the sense of entitlement, that he doesn't really have to put in the work.

 

I don't think he even realizes he is just a guy. He really seems to think being picked that high makes him a stud forever even if his play at the pro level now isn't even close to justifying where he was selected.

 

He's probably been told how great he is his whole life. Wastef talent is tough to watch.

 

i think it is as much character and heart (lack thereof) as anything, as well. We missed on this cat. and others, as you say.

 

Agreed

And everyone missed on Brady who built his career on his desire to be good

I’m not sure however you talk to a say 21 year old kid and know what is in their heart

 

His dad seems to be his worst supporter

 

heart doesnt show up in an interview, heart shows up in desperate or "want to" times! You can sometimes find that "want to" attitude in practice situations when everyone's job is on the line or perceived on the line. I found out a lot about my buddies in the Gulf War and yes when you look in their eyes, you can definitely see their heart!!

 

ok - somewhat over the top - with a great deal of FRUSTRATION seasoned in. Still don't think we knew what we wanted to be. Tomlin wanted to move to lolly pop offense - not the big bad STEELERS that we grew up watching, the Cowher Power Greg Lloyd fear factor teams.....

 

A dartboard is exactly how they “plan”. Every day they get up, throw a dart, and react. That’s their “planning” process.

Then fans look back and try to make the random dots on the dart board connect with a narrative and call it a “plan”.

 

Even Cowher went away from the power game at times. Of course, that went badly when they tried it with Tommy Maddox, which was part of how they ended up with a high enough pick to take Roethlisberger.

The crowd that hates Tomlin has a lot wrong in comparing him to Cowher. There are many players who played for both who will tell you that Cowher was even more of a player's coach than Tomlin.

The league has been moving away from the power game for a long time. You still have teams like the Ravens and Titans who go the other way, but it is what elite teams like the Bills and Chiefs do. They rely on what I think you would call lollypop offenses.