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If Pickett can’t play…

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by JackAttack 5958, Dec 11, 2022.

Who should start if Kenny can’t?

  1. Mitch is the man!

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  2. Let Rudolph guide the sleigh!

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  1. Brandon556211

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    We’ve already seen this **** show. I’d rather watch GOT or Lost series finales. They were awful but not as bad as Mason motherfucking Rudolph.
     
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  2. troybellringer55

    troybellringer55 Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't benefit them really other than being nice to Rudolph and giving him a playing chance.
     
  3. Brandon556211

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    been there done that. He sucks.
     
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  4. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Cowher coached exactly one more season after leading the Steelers to the Super Bowl. Did you think they should fire him after they won it all in 2005? Did you think they should have given up on him before he led them to a Super Bowl?

    If anything, Cowher proved that being patient with a head coach can pay off. I'm not saying that I advocate that approach with Tomlin, but your argument regarding Cowher doesn't really hold up.
     
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  5. Karl

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    You have an interesting world.
    3 coaches, 3 HIGHLY respected coaches.
    1 with 4 Super Bowl rings.
    Wow....

    No matter, we are talking instant gratification now, fantasy football.

    You're right, the owner does have a bigger job than I said. I forgot "sign checks"
    No one is successful when the owner meddles. Jones has rendered the Cowboys to paper cowboys they haven't been relevant since the 90's.
    Dan Snyder, well, has destroyed a franchise.

    I always liked "The Squire" - Jack Kent Cooke.
    The guy was scary.
    I remember the story Charlie Casserly and Bobby Bethard told when they came back from the "Mahagony Row" to sell Joe Gibbs to the Squire.
    No one knew who Gibbs was. The Squire told them, barely lifting his eyes from the paper, that "if you are wrong, it is your job."
    The rest is history.

    History aside, we have a new front office, none of which I am positive you know.
    I have no idea what these guys have on their agenda. No Idea.
    You keep tossing out "it'll never change" and so on.. "The owner this and the owner that stuff."
    Tomlin is finishing season 16, that is an eternity in the NFL.
    The front office changed, some coaching has changed... they may well say enough is enough.
    I don't think any of them look here for advice.
     
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  6. Brice

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    Keep Mitch, ARE YOU CRAZY? Trubisky's cap hit next year will be over $10 million; they save $8 million if they release him.
     
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  7. Blast Furnace

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    Seen enough of Mitch but don’t expect much from Rudolph if he plays.

    Maybe he would be good for Pickens as Rudolphs game is more vertical and better suited for getting him involved.
     
  8. Formerscribe

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    I honestly hadn't looked ahead at his cap hit for next year, but I wasn't advocating for keeping him. I wouldn't be shocked to see them ask him to restructure the deal and cut him loose if he says no. My point was that if there is little difference between the two, you play the guy who is under contract for next season, not the guy who will be a free agent.
     
  9. Formerscribe

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    Maybe, but at this point I'm less worries about how effective the young guys are in a given game than I am on them improving. We know Pickens can make plays on the deep ball. What he needs to be doing is improving the rest of his route tree.
     
  10. YinzerBuckeye

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    What's Paxton Lynch up to these days?:lolol:

    Seriously, I'd let Mason have a crack at it. He can't do any worse.
     
  11. Brice

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    Something I was hoping to see was Mason with Kenny on the bench this year going over plays during the game. I have seen Sullivan and Mitch reviewing plays during games. I was hoping Mason would have stepped up and helped Kenny to try and read defenses like Dobbs did with Ben when he was in street clothes as the 3rd string QB. It just looks like Mason wants nothing to do with the QBs during the game on the sideline. I do see him spending time with Tomlin on occasion when the Steelers offense is on the field.

    I look at Chase Daniels and wonder if Mason could slip into that mold. Nothing wrong with being a backup in the NFL.
    https://www.the-sun.com/sport/56549...potrac, Daniel has,in basic salary since 2009.
    CHASE THE DREAM
    Meet NFL quarterback who has earned $41m – and won Super Bowl – despite starting just FIVE games in thirteen years
     
  12. Karl

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    Crap, I did mention $2.6.... brain aneurism.

    I would figure the Steelers would release him in Jan.
    So, his numbers go a little like
    2023 Dead Cap: $2,625,0002023 Cap Savings: $8,000,000 no hit in 2024.
    They don't change much in any scenario.
    So, his was contract based on hit or miss.
    I'd get rid of him and find a FA Vet and draft someone or more preferrable, sign another undrafted or rob a team.
    That way, they don't use up a Draft pick.
     
  13. S.T.D

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    Funny How Canada all of a sudden became a genius when it fits people's narrative. :shrug:
     
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  14. S.T.D

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    I see a bunch of people afraid of Being wrong. Is what I see. I see a bunch of people that gave up on Mason in not even a whole season of play.....that will tell You not to give up on KP the same. Which I agree on, but I said the same about Mason. Yet they act like over 60 games of Trubisky means nothing. LoL.
    They will probably not go to Mason....because not only will a huge amount of fans have a chance to be wrong....,but the entire organization will look bad.. Sad .
    I find is very strange that it's so hard to say.....I was wrong .
    I can think of a hundred instances where I actually learned something after I admitted I didn't really know, or was wrong about something. :shrug:
     
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  15. mikeyg

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    Cowher should have been removed or stepped away by 2000 - years and we saw all that he could do (or not do). 1998 and 99 horrific, it was time for change. 2000 was poor as well. He LUCKED into Ben, lucked, as he did not want him.
     
  16. Formerscribe

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    By that logic, Chuck Noll lucked into Franco Harris and Lynn Swann. He did not want to take either of them in the first round. He wanted Robert Newhouse over Harris in '72 and he was afraid to wait on Stallworth in '74.
     
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  17. MojaveDesertPghFan

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    We already know what Rudy and Mitchy have to offer. Therefore that leaves the Emergency QB - #81, Zack Gentry. As mentioned during game, he was an outstanding QB in High School. :rolleyes: It's obvious he can''t catch after Mitch's perfect 1st pass. He's certainly big enough to beat off defenders. What could go wrong or be worse? :shrug:
     
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  18. Formerscribe

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    I'm not sure which is more ridiculous, the idea that fans would root against having the best players out there for fear of being wrong or the idea that the team would refuse to put a player out there because it might look like they made a bad decision. Neither makes sense.

    The team admitted it was wrong about Rudolph when it signed Trubisky and drafted Pickett. They had thought that Rudolph could be Roethlisberger's replacement and he had clearly demonstrated otherwise.
     
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  19. OB1

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    I see the organization operating in a "decision by committee" and "cover your butt" mode. The whole QB situation has been illogical from the beginning and still continues to be. A bunch of the decisions (getting Trub, keeping Mason, drafting *two* QBs, using feelings and the force to decide when to yank Trub and put in Pickett) smells like the org wanting to cover their butts and not admit making mistakes and not holding anyone accountable.

    They all are making good pay cheques and want to keep their jobs. This behavior is exactly as it should be and one cannot fault people working to put food on the table for their children. It is up to the owner to step in to hold people accountable.
     
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  20. Formerscribe

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    They have been talking making decisions as a team for decades, before Tomlin was even the head coach.

    Keeping Rudolph made perfect sense. They had him under team control and he knows the offense.

    They didn't know if they could get the quarterback they wanted when they signed Trubisky, who was worth the cheap gamble. If he didn't pan out, as he hasn't, he is a small cap hit for 2023.

    Drafting the second quarterback made no sense. I'm with you there.

    Your evidence is faulty and it really doesn't fit your conclusion at all.
     
  21. mikeyg

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    yes - VETERAN Back up - ALWAYS should be. Tomlin blew it for years with Rudolph as a back up. just STUPID stuff there. it is not that hard, but Tomlin makes it hard. you do not draft and have a ROOKIE as a back up. Come on man, COME ON.
     
  22. mikeyg

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    this does not make sense. It was either Pickett or the kid from Liberty - or bust for 2022. Go w Mason. the season was a LOSS before it began, most of us knew that. They did not want Garrapolo, and did not want to get overly agressive with other FA QB's or trades. I wanted Derek Carr. The Trubisky deal was DUMB the day it was announced.
     
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  23. DJ18Baller

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    Trubisky was exactly what the Steelers always do go shopping in the bargain bin looking for something that was never there. It’s why this organization is being left in the dust especially without a franchise QB. They either get with the times and start changing the way they do business, including keeping coaches on lifetime contracts, or we will become even more irrelevant than we already are.
     
  24. Madmike77

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    If they shut Pickett down this week and for the foreseeable future, interest in the team is going to go down the toilet. It might be what’s best for the future, but there are going to be a lot less people tuning into the games.
     
  25. jeh1856

    jeh1856 I am free

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    Steeler fans will tune in

    Band wagon fans will jump
     
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