Career Coaches Challenges and League Average

The league average for successful coaches challenges is 41%.

Through last week:

Mike Tomlin
Total Challenges: 86
Overturned: 36
Success Rate: 41.9%

2022 Season: 0 for 2

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Bill Belichick
Total Challenges: 127
Overturned: 51
Success Rate: 40.2%

2022 Season: 0 for 1

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Andy Reid
Total Challenges: 132
Overturned: 66
Success Rate: 50.0%

2022 Season: 1 for 1

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John Harbaugh
Total Challenges: 119
Overturned: 52
Success Rate: 43.7%

2022 Season: 0 for 2

 

I think what is more disturbing here is that there are that many wrong calls

 

Somehow this will get twisted into a bash Tomlin thread when it shouldn’t

 

I don't get it. In today's world of instant everything can't the Coach see the replay before he throws the flag????? I was shocked at those numbers.

 

Time

Refs get a lot more time to review it

 

Actually no, they can't. Home teams control the replay within the stadiums and the game broadcasts are not allowed to be shown on sidelines or coaches boxes due to the fact the mics pick up sideline conversations and QB signals.

The replays we see on TV, especially at away games, are not the same replays the coaches have access to. The coaches usually see less than the people watching at home.

 

Yea..beyond Reid his challenges are right there. Even with Reid it's 50/50. Nothing to get my drawers bunched up about lol

 

I will be the first.

These numbers provided by the OP do not account for the numerous times Tomlin does not challenge plays that clearly should be challenged. Using a stat like this to suggest Tomlin is amongst the leagues best at challenges is laughable. They say you can come up with stats to prove just about anything. This thread is proof of that.

 

And there you are ladies and gentlemen

 

It would be impossible for stats to be taken on that though - as when he “should” challenge is subjective.

Same with looking at all the “least penalised teams” when it doesn’t count the missed calls

 

Tomlins challenges are the least of his problems. He literally hired the worst OC in the NFL because he got his son Dino into Maryland.

 

How many here think a coach will always throw a challenge flag based solely on his observation of the play/ call in question? Someone is advising the HC on whether to challenge the play based on their seeing a replay and/or having a better view of it. This isn't a HC only judgement call so if a HC has a bad challenge percentage, he's getting a lot of help. Being on a sideline does not give the best of vantage points on many of the calls being challenged which is why lots of coordinators are in the press box in order to see better. Therefore, this is not a great example of a HC's competency. This goes both ways in whether to challenge or not to challenge. Yes, the HC makes the final decision, but I just can't put it all on the HC (as much as I'd like him gone). JMO>

 

I mean let’s hope he hired MC to do him a favor for his son. If he hired him because he actually thinks he’s a qualified NFL OC then he’s even more of a joke than I thought.

At least a you scratch my back I’ll scratch yours deal is understandable.

 

This

 

Well being totally honest....it doesn't bring up the same for any of the other coaches either....So there is that, and I personally have watched Monday night games with guys on the board in a post ,and we were all puzzled at a lack of a challenges by a couple coaches a few times this year.

 

I will gladly be the odd man out here. I'm not buying it. Not one bit. Stats shmats. Tomlin absolutely, horrendously, completely sucks at challenges.

I watch the games with my own eyes. Every stadium has an enormous jumbotron. The players themselves will lobby when they know a call should be over-tuned. There are multiple coaches that get a birds eye view of the game. It's Tomlin's arrogance and stubbornness that keeps the red flag is his pocket.

Bottom line is he challenges some calls that he shouldn't, and fails to challenge many plays that he should. The lengths some of you will go to defend a guy that once won a Superbowl here nearly 15 years ago sometimes amazes me.

 

Not buying it. I've been to multiple games in multiple cities. Replays are up on the screen. You are correct, coaches do not have access to broadcast feeds, however coaches still have plenty of access to different angles of plays. You are painting a picture that Mike Tomlin does not have enough information to accurately challenge calls and that would be false.

 

He has a limited time to look and throw a challenge flag while talking to his coordinators and/or the QB. He's not sitting there just staring at a replay screen trying to see the exact view he needs to be certain of a successful challenge. Unless he sees it instantly in front of his face, it takes a bit to get the guy in the booth to let him know they think it's challengeable.

Often Players will lobby thinking they made a play when they in fact didn't. Whether they do it knowingly, trying to get a favorable call or not. They're not infallible either.

 

And what is your proof of this accusation

 

You do realize that Tomlin gets paid many millions of dollars to do this. His job is to make the right calls in such matters in a limited amount of time. If he can't do that with some level of consistency then he isn't the right guy for the job.

No greater example than the Pickens catch a couple of weeks ago. Plenty of time to throw the flag. Romo was screaming for it. Calls like that, or lack there of, can cost you a game.

 

My perception is that Tomlin hasn't been very good at challenges in recent years. Checking the stats, he is 5-25 since 2017. I would say perception is living up to the reality.