Man, this hurts!

Need a little cheese with that whine?

 

Ok Jack

I didn’t quote you

I didn’t name you

I wasn’t even thinking of you

You make good posts that I enjoy reading but don’t necessarily agree with 100%

But on this board there are some people who repeatedly post really poorly thought ideas and I don’t think you can disagree with that

My post just wound up below yours

It was not my intent to insult you

 

Facts don't care about your feelings. I don't care who's buying and who says I'm selling anything. I'm simply stating my opinion and instead of disagreeing respectfully and stating why you disagree, you and "others of your ilk" like to start name calling and labeling. It's a tired act.

 

It's all good. You're one of the more reasonable members of the board and do a nice job of respectful debate. Unfortunately, there are a few other guys who don't understand that concept.

 

Original...

 

Is it ok to pick on SDOT

 

Now you want to play the victim? Spare me.


Since you know more about football than I ever will answer me this. Why do you always ignore what transpires on the field? Why do you discount significant or momentous plays in a game? Why do you go out of your way to point the finger anyone other than the player that made the mistake?
Examples the game against denver from over a decade ago. You bring it up all the time, but ignore actual facts pertaining to the game. The super bowl loss to Green Bay. You’ve got no problem blaming mendy for the loss. Yet conveniently ignore Ben throwing two interceptions including a pick 6. In case you forgot we lost by 6. I’m not going to go back and check, but I’ll bet dollars to donuts you blame O’Donnell for the second interception despite being pointed out to you during the broadcast the rookie Corey Holliday(playing for an injured?) had a hot route because of the Dallas blitz and missed it. More recently the loss to the browns in the playoffs. You completely dismissed Ben’s 3 interceptions in a quarter in this very thread by using “blah blah blah”.

 

"HoF QB makes team better shocker"

 

Strummer, you do realize that many times, in fact most of the time, what transpires on the field is a direct result of coaching and preparation don't you? Have you ever played football? I know that because there are humans playing the game they are going to make unforced errors. But have you thought about why Ben threw those interceptions? Were they just dumb throws or was it a lack of preparation and film study and coaching that caused Ben to be ill-prepared for some of the defensive schemes he saw during the game? DCs are smart (most of them anyway) and they like to try to fool the quarterback where they can. HCs and OCs are responsible for making sure their quarterback doesn't get fooled and baited into mistakes and makes good reads and good throws. The receivers also have to do their part. They have to run good, crisp routes and help their quarterback out. We've seen some of the issues this year with our receivers not helping Pickett out by finding a lane in the zone which provides a little more daylight for the receiver to run to and the ball to be delivered. That's on coaching. The OL and the RBs have to do their part as well. I think we've had sufficient talent to do the job but I really think our coaching staff, led by our esteemed HC, has failed to coach the players up to the point that they're not making the little mistakes that result in impactful plays (splash plays as Coach T likes to say) that can be the difference in winning or losing in the NFL. And for the record, I blame David Johnson for the Mendy fumble and I've always thought the receiver turned the wrong way on the second O'Donnell interception. But hey, it made Larry Brown a rich guy.

 

so professional football players talk about how it’s on them as professionals to watch film and prepare themselves mentally, but you dismiss that and blame the coaches. SMH

 

Where do the coaches come in, in your opinion? What are they responsible for? What should they be held accountable for? Are they ever to blame for anything? At what point should a team consider making a coaching change? They get most of the credit when things go well but you never seem to want to place any blame on them when things are falling apart. Interesting?

 

Unlike yourself I actually listen to the players. Arthur Moats, Ryan Clark, Pouncey, Foster, Taylor,Hoke, Williams all have shared a lot of information about the team. How things work within the team. How players prepare. What it takes for them to be fully prepared. What the coaches are responsible for etc. How they are responsible as professionals to break down film. the list goes on and on. I, being a reasonable human being am going to take their word over pretty much anyone else. They have actual firsthand knowledge. They talk about Tomlin’s knowledge. How much he improved their game. Of course you and others here make claims about tomlin not knowing X’s and O’s. Not being able to develop players. Not having the team prepared. Why would I or anyone take your opinion that’s based nothing over their firsthand knowledge and experience? That’s a really difficult question. Listen to the people with firsthand knowledge and experience or listen to the guy with nothing more than opinion that likes to ignore significant moments within the game. Quite the dilemma. You asked if I played football. Yes. I did. I played tight end and defensive end. With that being said being spoon fed by a coach or coaches at the hs and college levels is a far cry from being a professional. The game is the same, but the situations are vastly different. Nobody is holding your hand in the pros. At that point you’re a grown man and the onus is on you to put in the work.

 

I'm not sure what you're even talking about.
You can post whatever you want. But if you're going to keep finding new ways of saying the same thing I'm going to call you out. We get it, you want Tomlin gone. I do too, but I'm not blowing up every thread with it.
I want Tomlin gone for the last 4-5 years. So I don't know why you keep saying that i get upset when someone criticizes him.
IMO we have been very competitive over the last decade. We haven't reached our ultimate goal, but we're almost always in position to get into the playoffs late in the season.
I get it our playoff success hasn't been up to our standards, but this nonsense some of you guys post acting like we are a mediocre team and finish .500 every year is silly.
And now that we look to possibly have our first loosing season in almost two decades some of you are acting more spoiled than normal.

 

Answer Me this.....How many SBs have been won by the team with the better Defense??? No matter who their HC are.

 

oh I want to play.
Rams over bengals
Patriots over falcons
Patriots over rams(that might have been the most impressive defensive gameplan of all time by the pats)


Back to work for me

 

But that's not the stated organizational goal. In my job I used to tell the team, our goal isn't just to be mediocre, its to be dominant and beat our competition. We didn't want a fair competition, we wanted to bury them. That was our company's goal to be the best in the industry period, not just ok. So in my mind that is the way the Steelers Organization is wired, to be the best. So if that is the case and you repeatedly are failing to advance in the playoffs (which is the litmus test), you make the changes necessary to do that. In the business world, no way you get a 15 year run with this record of achievement.

 

LoL....I still got 10 minutes. LoL

 

Another one that likes to compare apples to interplanetary space travel

 

Well let me ask you my man, how do you define success and at what point do you make changes when success isn't achieved. The stated goal of the organization is a Super Bowl, not just having a winning season. Oh btw, this is a business not just a game.

 

I will respond to you with the lesson my father taught me after watching the Steelers win back in 70’s. He sat me down and made it abundantly clear that I should cherish the moment, but also understand that I might not ever see it happen again. That winning championships isn’t easy. He pointed out how many fan bases have never known the pleasure of watching their team win. Here we are basically 50 years later and some of those teams still haven’t won a championship. I was lucky enough to watch them win 3 as a child. Then a long drought before they even sniffed another super bowl. Then got lucky again and have had the pleasure of watching them win two more as an adult.

 

I don't necessarily disagree that the players bear some of the responsibility. But you didn't answer my question and I'm legitimately interested to hear what your thoughts are on the matter. At what point should the coaches be blamed? When should the coaches be held accountable for the underperformance or dysfunction of the team? Should they only receive the credit and not the blame?

 

I don't know...do the research for me and get back with me.

 

Once you answer my questions I’ll tackle yours

 

Great post

 

Seriously Glenn? The past 7 years has been the worst stretch in steelers history during both of our lifetimes. If I'm looking at the season by season records right, this will be 7 consecutive seasons without a postseason win and only 3 postseason games. So, I don't think your comments hold water as this is a HISTORICALLY bad squad and has been getting progressively worse for the better part of a decade. The criticism is accurate and warranted.