Pickett vs 2023 QB class

It's the system genius. Do you know anything at all about TN football or Josh Heupel? Nevermind don't answer that. Hendon is the right guy for the right system. Quick tempo, spread, wide splits, 3 NFL caliber WRs, 2 big TEs who can catch, quick RBs, an OL that is one of the best in college. I'm not saying Hendon is a scrub, but even if he were to win the Heisman, he's not going to see the same success at the next level.

 

I agree. That's why I said that he's far less controversial. They're idiots, while he's more of a leader.

 

We all know pro bowls are a popularity contest. And no, he isn't better than 90% of NFL starters. He isn't even a top 10 QB at this point. With 32 starters, if he were in the top 10% that would put him top 5 in the league. Yet Mahomes, Allen, Hurts, Lamar, Herbert, Tua, both Jones, Brady, Dak, Aaron, even Geno Smith are all better than Murray. Your blind love of certain players is cute, albeit very misguided. Anyone who doesn't believe Kyler Murray is grossly overpaid is a fool.

 

I like the comparison since Tee Martin was the last QB to bring TN a natty and would love to see Hooker bring another. Tee's college success obviously didn't translate to being an NFL starter and I could see the same for Hooker in the NFL.

 

To say he's worse than Brady is misleading. Nobody starting a franchise would take Brady over Murray. Same with Geno Smith, he's having a good year so far but he's shown himself not to be a QB you build a team around. I'd also take Murray over Daniel Jones and he's easily ahead of Mac Jones. Mac is on the verge of losing his job.

I agree that Murray is overpaid and isn't top 5, but at the same time, that is what QB's like him go for. Either Arizona pays him or someone else would have. So is he really overpaid if the free market decides that's what he is worth?

 

I don't think the discussion was about where he would rank among guys you would want to build around. It was which guys are better than Murray right now.

 

Where would you rank Kyler among current starting QBs? I put him in the 12-15 range. About middle of the pack. He's not great and clearly AZ thinks he isn't very smart or not motivated enough to study to hone his craft. AZ mortgaged their future to get him and then pay him. What have they gotten in return in 3 1/2 seasons? Zero playoff wins. A 4th, 3rd, and 2nd place division finish, and currently in last place. Kingsbury and Kyler are a joke.

 

Um..


This is quite important. You stated so yourself; one can learn much more from a QB who must elevate others rather than having a star studded cast around him. If said QB showcases that ability without great players, there is something serious to work with.


Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson and Justin Herbert are all good examples of such. Not only are they good examples of such, their record vs. ranked opponents during their college days (sans Allen) is also impressive. On the subject of ranked opponents though, that variable is quite difficult to assess for any one player as there are quite a bit of factors played into it.




Overall and, for me, I would have Pickett take his lumps now and see where he goes. Should his skills prove not only lacking but greatly diminishing at a very high rate, then and only then would I consider a new QB to draft.

 

I like to think more in tiers than in strict numbers. Some guys are so close it's kind of pointless to separate them.

Mahomes
Allen

Rodgers (is he finally declining or is this just a small blip?)

Hurts
Tua
Burrow (I think he belongs higher, but I just need to see a bit more with an Oline that can actually protect him to make sure)
Herbert
Murray
Jackson
Dak

I think any of those guys in the 3rd tier have the ability to lead their team but they still have more to prove, some more than others. The ceiling is incredibly high for all of them though. Right now some are more valuable than others, but that can change from year to year. If you look at Murray's numbers, both this year and his career, they're pretty similar to all those guys in that tier. I have a hard time judging wins and losses, because so many other things can affect that.

I don't have an opinion on Kingsbury. I haven't seen enough of their games to have an educated opinion on what their issues are. From what I've read, lots of others see Kingsbury as an issue though. I don't really pay attention to the media. Hell, the media thinks Tomlin is doing a great job and is a great coach, and I've hated him since about 2011.

 

Fair enough and I don't disagree with where you went with this. But just looking at pure performance and results, especially so far this season, he is middle of the pack at best. I'm not sold on Murray and haven't been from day 1. Unless and until he can lead his team to compete for the division and postseason, he has not lived up to the hype. I don't know any AZ fans so don't know how they feel about Murray but if the Steelers were paying him $230M to be in last place with no postseason wins since he got here, he would be getting sh!t hammered on this MB. Kingsbury too.

 

I wanted Dickerson in the 2nd but he was gone. He is the starting LG for Eagles. KELCE came back for another year at center

HACK

 

I guess you could argue that they could have taken Dickerson in the first round instead of Harris. Maybe that is what he meant, though you would think he would know what position Dickerson plays for the Eagles right after they played the Steelers.

They would certainly be better off right now had they taken Dickerson or Humphrey instead of Harris, but there is hindsight at play there. That is especially true of Humphrey, who most people were looking at as a second-round prospect. He is who I wanted in the second round, though Freiermuth hasn't been a bad pick.

 

This....

 

This....I to this day Do not know How anyone that watched A&M thought JM was going to be good. There was nothing in His game that spoke to playing NFL Qb.

 

Like I said in many post before....it's basically
Mahomes /Allen / Burrow, and a bunch of average players.....
Of course Someone follows Me around Hitting disagree, but I would say to Him....it totally explains why scoring across the NFL is down . A bunch of Meh....Qbs....but oh boy are they athletic. LoL

 

And add Malik Willis to that list now too. Physically gifted but not much between the ears. His debut Sunday with Tannehill being out was less than stellar and worse than KP's as far as I'm concerned. Having Derrick Henry and an OL that was pissed off, oh and playing the worst running D in the league is the only reason the titans won. Definitely not due to Willis.

 

^^^^^. THIS...Is not Canadas Fault

 

I agree with you. While I like Pickett and never thought he would fall to us, I wanted the team to address the OLine before drafting someone like a Malik Willis who was a project QB. Now that we have Pickett, we need to draft the OLine to protect him. I still believe Pickett is our franchise QB and future, but without the OL in front him him he was not brought in like a missing piece the way Ben was. I also like the way Pickett is calling others out right now. Some may argue differently, but it shows maturity in leadership. As a matter of fact, the way Pickett is doing it is much better than calling them out on a radio show like someone else did.

 

so you’re using a few games to justify who’s a better qb. So why can’t I talk about how bad Pickett is if we’re going to say geno smith and Daniel Jones are better because of a few games this season lol. The only people you named that are better than him are mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Aaron, and possibly Herbert.

 

Regarding Superbowl winning quarterbacks, since 2001, 13 were won by a combined four QBs (Ben, Brady, and the Mannings), which leaves only 8 won by other QB in 21 seasons (if I counted right). That's a lot of any round QBs picks since then that never won a Superbowl; Stafford played a long time before he won last year, but he had to move to a team with an offensive guru as HC and a great defense to do it. Whether Pickett is the QB of the future, we'll have to wait and see. However, it's easy to say any QB early in their career won't ever be a Superbowl winning QB, because the odds against most making it. I remember Drew Brees wasn't the QB in San Diego that he became with the Saints, Sean Payton had a lot to do with that. Whomever is the Steelers QB, hopefully, they get an OC who is seasoned in game planning and adjusting against NFL defenses.

 

There’s no way around it he’s terrible. Now we wait to see if he can improve

 

so why didn’t Mikey Keene at ucf with 2 Wrs that were drafted, a 6’7 TE, a all around fast rb in Otis Anderson(rip), perform like Hendon hooker with josh heupel and his system.

 

Heck, just go (2-15), then get 1st round draft pick. Get the best middle linebacker in the class of 2023.Then get offensive guards that know how to block and can remember the count. Cut the false start, illegal formation, and holding penalties down.