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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by SteelHack, Oct 2, 2022.

  1. thorn058

    thorn058 Well-Known Member

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    The same can be said about Sean Peyton or Kyle Shanahan. You can't deny they are good at play design, scheme, game plans and so on but another aspect of the team is not comparable. Yes they score 40 points a game but give up 50. Or they are solid offensively and defensively but special teams and turnovers kill them. It also can't be discounted running into the right team at the wrong moment. Like the Saints/ Vikings game where everything pointed to a Saints victory then Diggs catches a pass and the CB makes a mistake , boom done and out. Same for the Steelers, they get Tebowed but we're the better team. Against the Browns a series of gaffes and you are looking at a 14 point deficit before 10 minutes are played. 4th and goal and NOD puts it at Barry Foster's knees and the Chargers win the AFCCG and get smoked by the 9ers in the SB.
     
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  2. KMM

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    Good gawd, can you think with any reasonableness at all?

    Reid accomplishing no more than Tomlin in 24 seasons vs 16 seasons is not giving Tomlin points for being younger. Its a simple statement that even though Reid has been given more opportunities he hasn't done appreciably more. Given that it's very tough to say he's a much better coach, if one looks at things objectively.
     
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  3. KMM

    KMM Well-Known Member

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    Completely agree. Besides Belichik, you can basically throw a blanket over Payton, Shanahan, Reid, Tomlin, Harbaugh, etc. They're all pretty successful coaches who have won 1 Super Bowl. There just isn't a lot of difference between them in terms of results and to say one or two of them are a much better coach than another is just not borne out.
     
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  4. Steelhammer92

    Steelhammer92 Well-Known Member

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    I'm no Tomlin supporter, but Reid couldn't win the big one until he landed a generational QB in Mahomes. He did turn the Chiefs into perennial contenders with Alex Smith, so credit there.
     
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  5. burghfan58

    burghfan58 Well-Known Member

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    I honestly couldn't remember when it started, but that would be about the time JuJu was drafted.
     
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  6. SteelersFanCanada

    SteelersFanCanada Well-Known Member

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    Does Bellichick win all those Superbowls without Brady?

    There's a long list of coaches that benefited from having an excellent QB. It doesn't take away from their ability to coach but it's definitely a factor in winning games.
     
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  7. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    He probably doesn't, but then again....before 2021 He was the last coach to win a playoff game with the Browns, He did go 11-5 the 1st time Brady went down, and He took a rookie Qb to the playoffs last year. :shrug:
     
  8. shadowmaker

    shadowmaker Well-Known Member

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    And he has never had a losing season...
     
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  9. HisRoyalSweetness

    HisRoyalSweetness Active Member

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    That's all fine and good, but does Belichick tell his guys to cut off their eyelids, or to not live in their fears? How many players refer to Bill as a player's coach? That's the kind of wisdom that really separates us from the rest.

    If, in your opinion, the success of a coach is is defined by the number of Ws in a season, you'd be best served to find yourself a new team to follow. When my friends are bragging about their teams being involved with blockbuster trades, or advancing in the playoffs, I get to brag about the stability of our organization, our unwillingness to fire inept coaches, and how instead of spending top dollar for once in a generation talent, we prefer to promote from within and build cheaply through the draft.

    These philosophies brought us great success in the 70s, and by God, they will one day bring us success again!
     
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  10. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Yep, look at all the stupid stuff Tyreek Hill was saying about Tua and Miami.
     
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  11. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Look at the difference in QBs for Pittsburgh, and Kansas City :shrug:.
     
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  12. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    He was handed an 8-8 team.
     
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  13. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Your ignorance is showing, Cowher didn't put those teams together on his own, he had two good GMs during his time.
     
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  14. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    That same KC coaching staff that blew an 18 point lead at home to the Bengals in the AFCCG last year :shrug:?
     
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  15. SDOT

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    He was handed a Super Bowl roster with HoF players. HoF GM. Tomlin got the easiest gig in sports. Franchise that doesn’t fire coaches.

    Organization has only got worse with the more say and control Tomlin has got. It’s a full on disaster now.
     
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  16. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Nah, that was probably after Claypool dropped another contested ball :facepalm:.
     
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  17. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    They weren't a Super Bowl team in 2006, try again troll :rolleyes:.
     
  18. santeesteel

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    Ya might want to check that roster. 2 HOF players and one who SHOULD get in 1st ballot and one who might eventually get in.
    I did notice that your hero, Harrison, was on that team. Maybe he's one of your HOF players?
     
  19. SteelHack

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    Was listening to Moats today and he said something like it's not surprising... Reid and Bieniemy are both really good offensive coaches

    That when he got to Pitt he learned more from LeBeau and Tomlin than vs did his entire time in Buffalo


    HACK
     
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  20. SDOT

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    Tomlin is never winning a Super Bowl with his players… He had it his way we’d currently have Rudolph, a guard playing center, scat back from Maryland. DB/Defensive coach has had 15 years to draft and develop ONE pro bowl corner and still can’t do it. Sad.
     
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  21. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Isn't it time for your yearly boycott?
     
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  22. bigbenhotness

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    Like it or not here are the facts. Tomlin rebuilt his team in 2012-2013. By this time “Cowhers players” pretty much have left or retired. From that time on he has 3 playoff wins and 6 losses. 2 of those wins are against backup qbs. He’s going on the 6th year without a playoff win.

    Cowher missed the playoffs 5 times. The most he’s gone without a playoff win is 3 years. Cowher made it to the AFC championship 3 times and a super bowl without a true franchise qb. Once he got won he made it to the championship then won the following year. Cowher built awesome defenses and coach T has yet to build an elite one.
     
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  23. HisRoyalSweetness

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    I see. The KC coaching staff having a rare, bad day and Tomlin frequently playing down and losing to inferior teams over the last decade is one in the same. Good call on your part.
     
  24. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Players win games.
     
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  25. Clive From PIT

    Clive From PIT I don't often drink...but I'm starting to. Site Admin

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    I’m not defending Tomlin, but it bothers me that people make this point without ever acknowledging Cowher was able to build his elite defense precisely because he wasn’t burdened with a franchise QB salary or the obligation to spend money for supporting offensive talent.
     
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