Game planning, in game coaching, or execution?

wow. really?

 

I think it's fair to wait for the entire 2012 season, and then do a comparison.

I still stand by the issue being player execution.

To address the offense moving with purpose (highlighted above). I'm speaking purely on the feel of it... it seems there are more sustained drives, and greater red zone production. I will check stats for these, if available.

 

Maybe when the comparison is done it should be Haley's 2012 season vs. BA's first full season. That seems more fair.

I agree with you on offensive purpose. I do still see some stalling, in drives. I think that's player execution.

 

I have nothing to add to this debate, just want to see if the original quotes can get any narrower.

 

this is and as close as it can be with the same players for each OC. as i said i wasen't trying to pit one against the other. you guys always want to blow this out of proportion of haley against BA. it's where our offense stands under each guy. it was supposed to be much better. i'm showing you the numbers are right about the same, no matter who is running the offense SO FAR. get it? the red zone numbers are right there. the other numbers are right there.

this whole thing was in response to a question of who's responsible for getting these guys in the best position to succeed. i simply said if it was last year BA would have been and you all damn well know it would have. again this was supposed to be so much better under haley. if BA was responsible then haley should be responsible now. he is the OC.

just because you want to wait for these next few games, thats fine we can do it then too, but to date this is what we have to go by. nobody is saying fire todd haley immediately. i am just showing the numbers. the red zone numbers are there too.

you think the O is running better. well our wins and losses are not showing that and our offense is very up and down if you ask me. the redzone hasen't gotten better just different people scoring the TD's. instead of mendy and wallace now it's heath and wallace. we have to make too many 3rd and medium and 3rd and longs. we have very few runs over a few yards. the run game is inconsistant.

calling a spade a spade is not trying to say your favorite coach needs fired. it's asking why not more overall production, because thats why the move was made.

i never liked BA, ever. i thought he was one heck of a wr coach and should have stayed there.
if it's player execution this late into the season, something needs changed, either players, coaches or some of each. why hasen't this come together yet? the numbers haven't changed.

 

Well I never called for BA's head. I've thought there were issues with player execution since the lead up to SBXLV. I think BA put the offense in plenty of positions to succeed and they just didn't execute. But that's my opinion. I think a big difference between BA and Haley is BA is more bombs-away, and Haley seems to be more methodical and dedicated to running well. But, as you say, the numbers seem to suggest similar results. More proof that maybe it's player execution.

And again... I appreciate that Tomlin has made this O-Line work for a few seasons, but it's time to actually fix it. I think the acquisition of both Pouncey and DeCastro prove he's trying to fix the O-Line. We can't help that DeCastro went down, in the preseason. However, we have been able to see that Mike Adams may be a good addition once Pouncey and DeCastro are playing, at the same time. Hopefully, we are seeing the slow transition to the new offensive line.

A better, consistently good, mistake-free, O-Line will change a lot. Win the LOS, and everything changes. And that goes for both running and passing.

 

i agree rukus. i have said this for years about the o-line. it's not close to done yet.

 

to be fair give haley time to built his offense , for a short passing game you need a possession wr or te , we have only miller and speedsters

 

i understand it's new and i understand it's not a full year. i'm just saying this years team and last years team are as close as the same players as you can get between the old guy and new guy. i'm comparing steeler offenses, i really don't care who the names are of the coaches. the players are close to the same. haley has also had a little more stability on the line so far. they were nearly the same players but in year 2 together. last year too had injuries constantly, but with lesser backups. i threw the 2010 red zone stats in there because we were without ben for the first 4 games. i'm seeing it all pointing towards talent amongst the players at their ceiling. or the position coaches coaching ceiling. maybe it's the offenses. maybe it's just the O-line. it just seems worrysome to me that we haven't seen more progress in the offense.

 

i understand it's new and i understand it's not a full year. i'm just saying this years team and last years team are as close as the same players as you can get between the old guy and new guy. i'm comparing steeler offenses, i really don't care who the names are of the coaches. the players are close to the same. haley has also had a little more stability on the line so far. they were nearly the same players but in year 2 together. last year too had injuries constantly, but with lesser backups. i threw the 2010 red zone stats in there because we were without ben for the first 4 games. i'm seeing it all pointing towards talent amongst the players at their ceiling. or the position coaches coaching ceiling. maybe it's the offenses. maybe it's just the O-line. it just seems worrysome to me that we haven't seen more progress in the offense.